TWJT
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Post by TWJT on Dec 21, 2021 14:41:03 GMT -5
As PG as the early 2010s were for WWE, and as much as we had all kind of given up on the product then, would you say it was still better than now? Less produced, more interesting characters, less repetition, more freedom for talents? Like, things are really rough now, and I don’t see how they could have been as bad then, even though 2011 wasn’t much compared to 2001. Would you say the early ‘10s were superior to the early ‘20s? Or is it all pretty equal?
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Post by k5 on Dec 21, 2021 15:05:11 GMT -5
it was just as bad in some ways, it’s just the gum has lost all flavour now.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Dec 21, 2021 18:30:24 GMT -5
Everyone had short hair and wore trunks. The entire roster were like clones with no differences whatsoever.
WWE currently has it's best roster in years.
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Post by CM Tusk on Dec 21, 2021 18:39:28 GMT -5
Personally think that everything post Wrestlemania 26 up until the Pipebomb was pretty garbage. I’d easily take the last year over that year.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Dec 22, 2021 1:17:19 GMT -5
Tough to say overall, better matches now but 2009/10 marked the start of the decline in the product that has continued to now. I would prefer to watch a post no fans 2021 show than anything in 2009/2010. Anything in pandemic 2020 is a write off. It's just in an N/A zone since wrestling without fans barely counts as wrestling.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Dec 22, 2021 6:42:49 GMT -5
Until the pipebomb, 2009/2011 was truly awful. It was when they started gimmick PPV’s, stopping matches for the tiniest bit of blood, removing the edginess the product once had, swapping the WWE title every other month between Orton and Cena.
It was really hard to watch guys like Edge whose whole gimmick was “Rated R” be water down or the violent matches like HIAC become nothing more than a match inside of a cage.
The Guest GM was bad but then when it was that stupid computer, it was even worse
NXT was cool and Nexus was great, for about a week until Cena destroyed the whole team at SummerSlam by himself.
Wade Barrett broke free and looked to win the title just to lose a series of matches to Orton and Cena
The list of terribleness goes on
There were some stand out moments though and that was Punk. The SES was great, his whole Smackdown heel run was great.
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Post by ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝 on Dec 22, 2021 12:06:41 GMT -5
2020/2021 is my least favorite time in WWE ever. I'd legitimately say I like any era better than this era.
WWE has a really wonderful group of talent now that on paper might be the best ever, but everyone is so misused and directionless that you'd never know.
At least the early 2010's had an insane tier of main event talent and everyone was being used in mostly good stories. We are talking full-time runs on top from Christian, Sheamus, Orton, Cena, Punk, Bryan, Taker, Jericho, Batista, Triple H, Edge, Rey, Kane...I think its hard to argue against that main event roster. Looking at today's main event roster, it really is 3-4 people with random midcarders rotated in every few months.
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Post by Evil Abed on Dec 22, 2021 13:12:11 GMT -5
Until the pipebomb, 2009/2011 was truly awful. It was when they started gimmick PPV’s, stopping matches for the tiniest bit of blood, removing the edginess the product once had, swapping the WWE title every other month between Orton and Cena. It was really hard to watch guys like Edge whose whole gimmick was “Rated R” be water down or the violent matches like HIAC become nothing more than a match inside of a cage. The Guest GM was bad but then when it was that stupid computer, it was even worse NXT was cool and Nexus was great, for about a week until Cena destroyed the whole team at SummerSlam by himself. Wade Barrett broke free and looked to win the title just to lose a series of matches to Orton and Cena The list of terribleness goes on There were some stand out moments though and that was Punk. The SES was great, his whole Smackdown heel run was great. Really the perfect way to describe Hell in a Cell these days. “A match inside of a cage”
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Dec 23, 2021 1:54:04 GMT -5
Reminder of some of the stuff from both…
2010-2011: Bret Hart return Shawn Michaels’ retirement match Straight Edge Society Nexus Rise of The Miz Alberto Del Rio debuts The Rock returns Edge retires R-Truth conspiracy theorist Pipebomb Punk vs Cena Air Boom Awesome Truth
WWE/World champions: Sheamus, Cena, Batista, Orton, Miz, Punk, Del Rio, Undertaker, Jericho, Swagger, Mysterio, Kane, Edge, Ziggler, Christian, Mark Henry, Big Show, Daniel Bryan
Women’s/Divas champions: MCool, Phoenix, Mickie, Layla, Melina, Maryse, Alicia Fox, Eve, Natalya
2020-21: Undertaker’s retirement match Thunderdome Rise of Drew McIntyre and Bianca Belair Asuka and Golden Role Models dominate Tribal Chief Roman Reigns The Bloodline Bobby Lashley and the Hurt Business Big E becomes a singles wrestler and WWE Champion RK-Bro Alexa Bliss takes over as the main spooky character Sami Zayn conspiracy theorist Summer of Cena Edge vs Rollins King Woods achieves his childhood dream
WWE/Universal Champions: Lesnar, McIntyre, Orton, Miz, Lashley, Big E, Goldberg, Strowman, Wyatt, Reigns
Women’s Champions: Becky Lynch, Asuka, Bayley, Sasha Banks, Rhea Ripley, Charlotte Flair, Bianca Belair, Nikki ASH
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Dec 23, 2021 5:38:09 GMT -5
As PG as the early 2010s were for WWE, and as much as we had all kind of given up on the product then, would you say it was still better than now? Less produced, more interesting characters, less repetition, more freedom for talents? Like, things are really rough now, and I don’t see how they could have been as bad then, even though 2011 wasn’t much compared to 2001. Would you say the early ‘10s were superior to the early ‘20s? Or is it all pretty equal? No, even with all of the releases and recent missteps, the early part of the last decade was a dark time for WWE. I always point to the main event of Wrestlemania 27 as a microcosm of how dysfunctional WWE was back then. The fans in Atlanta booed the WWE's centerpiece with a passion, and not because they were all behind Miz. They, and much of WWE's loyal fanbase, just hated Cena that much. Moreover, WWE used their biggest match of the year as a vehicle to promote the Rock and his involvement in the next WM instead of focusing on their current stars of the time. The company was just throwing things at the wall to see what stuck, and which very little did. Even the things that eventually did work, like Danielson and Punk, had more to do with those guys getting themselves over rather than WWE having a vision for renewed vitality.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Dec 24, 2021 12:28:59 GMT -5
I always felt that 2009 was the WWE's last great year for wrestling back in that era.
2010 and 2011 seemed.... well, I don't wanna say boring, but I just wasn't enjoying the WWE like I was back in 2000 - 2009.
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Post by aggressiveperfectpoor on Dec 26, 2021 14:21:55 GMT -5
Until the pipebomb, 2009/2011 was truly awful. It was when they started gimmick PPV’s, stopping matches for the tiniest bit of blood, removing the edginess the product once had, swapping the WWE title every other month between Orton and Cena. It was really hard to watch guys like Edge whose whole gimmick was “Rated R” be water down or the violent matches like HIAC become nothing more than a match inside of a cage. The Guest GM was bad but then when it was that stupid computer, it was even worse NXT was cool and Nexus was great, for about a week until Cena destroyed the whole team at SummerSlam by himself. Wade Barrett broke free and looked to win the title just to lose a series of matches to Orton and Cena The list of terribleness goes on There were some stand out moments though and that was Punk. The SES was great, his whole Smackdown heel run was great. Punk was getting away with SO MUCH during that period. Remember when he started drawing Stigmata on his hand wraps? Hahaha. I thought he was going to get so much crap for that from the Chrispies
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Post by FLUX '97 on Dec 26, 2021 16:42:42 GMT -5
2010 and 2011 were mostly main evented by Alberto Del Rio.
I'd rather watch my dog drown than watch anything Alberto Del Rio ever again.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Dec 27, 2021 16:58:50 GMT -5
For me personally, no. It's really tough for me to think of any time that I dislike more than the early 20s. Between the Thunderdome, the way that social justice has steered the product, the way the company just LOVES to pat itself on the back publicly, the insane number of firings, and just the overall visual and auditory presentation I really am not much of a fan anymore. I've said before that I will always love WWE for what it was, and for what it meant to me, but the product today is very much not for me. There's very little that I like about it, and very few guys that I can get behind. There are a handful of guys that I like and support, but that number is lower than it's ever been.
The early 10s were not my favorite period either, but there was still some really great stuff. Some of the all-time greats were still active like Taker, Michaels, Jericho was there and in one of his greatest iterations, JBL, Kane, Batista, and Edge. I liked guys like Del Rio (at the time, not anymore. He's one of the most despicable individuals ever to step foot in a WWE ring, but I digress), Sheamus, and a young Drew McIntyre. That said, I despised (and still despise) CM Punk and he was a big enough part of the show that I almost stopped watching altogether. The aforementioned all-time greats were either winding down or very much at the end of their primes (Kane specifically was never the same after returning with the mask). Orton was stale, HHH was stale and transitioning into more of an office capacity, Cena was getting REALLY stale at this point, even Taker was a bit stale aside from the HBK matches..speaking of whom, Michaels retired in March of 2010. Aside from Bryan and a few select others here were no obvious new stars on the horizon. This was also at the tale end of the 'All guys have to be 6'5, jacked, have trunks, short hair, and tattoos' period' that brought us some of the most forgettable characters of all time.
All said, I'd take the early 10s over the early 20s any day. The presentation wasn't great, but it also wasn't completely over the top at the time. There also was still some really great stuff (Nexus, Shawn/Taker, Hall of Pain) I'd rather have all of those legends than all of these nobodies of today. Most of the guys that I liked have been fired or have left for greener pastures. Nothing was worse in the history of wrestling than the Thunderdome, and I'm still exhausted even thinking about it. I've sampled other shows in WWE down-periods, and I was more of a WCW guy during the Monday Night War, but I never completely stopped watching or supporting WWE. This is the first time that has changed. I consider myself a strictly AEW guy now and WWE I'll watch casually at best.
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Post by Its Tiffy Time on Dec 27, 2021 17:00:59 GMT -5
I much prefer this era.... the 2009-10 was just really really dreadful, the few bright spots being Laycool and the Straight Edge society
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Post by East Coast on Dec 27, 2021 18:24:38 GMT -5
Del Rio's first 2 years was great, and lets not pretend it wasn't
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Post by LK3 on Dec 27, 2021 22:04:37 GMT -5
Del Rio's first 2 years was great, and lets not pretend it wasn't The idea of Alberto Del Rio was always greater than Alberto Del Rio actually was.
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