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Post by figurecollector on Apr 23, 2022 13:54:07 GMT -5
It seems when this topic comes up that normally Vader is mentioned. He should have not lost as much as he did and he did not win any titles in WWE. With his size, it should have been difficult to beat him.
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Post by rkmo: Autonomous Meat Shield on Apr 23, 2022 14:11:23 GMT -5
Of course I'm not the biggest fan so he doesn't come close to most misused of all time.
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 23, 2022 16:54:55 GMT -5
It seems when this topic comes up that normally Vader is mentioned. He should have not lost as much as he did and he did not win any titles in WWE. With his size, it should have been difficult to beat him. Yeah, it seemed like Vince was high on him at first, then he soured. I think HBK had a lot to do with it, but I remember watching a shoot interview with Vader and he kind of made it seem like him [Vader] turning down Vince's idea of him made Vince sour. Apparently, Vince wanted to change Vader's name and look, Vince wanted him to be called a Mastodon - or something like that. Vader didn't want to do that. If you go back and watch a lot of the matches with Vader in the WWF, Vince even refers to him as The Mastodon Vader. I think either Bruce or Jr or Cornette, said that they wanted Vader to be more like the heels in the WWF at the time, they would walk tough but be weak and back down from the babyface. Vader felt this ruined his image and was reluctant to do it. Also, Vader was supposed to come in like a monster at the Royal Rumble, then have the incident with Monsoon on Raw, then leave for I think 10 months to rehab the injury he had at the time. Then he was going to come back and be the beast/monster again, going after HBK, then ultimately winning the belt. But, plans changed, and the WWF asked him to return by WrestleMania 12. Vader didn't want to do that, he was still rehabbing from surgery and didn't feel it was the right time to come back. In the shoot interview, Vader also said that a number of his matches were lackluster because of the injury, and he felt that people started to sour on him because of that. This just seemed to be snake-bit from the start. |
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Post by Artie Kendall on Apr 23, 2022 18:23:35 GMT -5
I think my problem with the way they booked Dusty was...they had great matches they could have done on paper and I mean while he was on 7 PPV's during that time only two of them were singles matches and one of them was an awful match with Randy Savage that was used to pivot him off of Savage to Dibiase. Let me say that again Dusty Rhodes and Randy Savage were in an awful two minute match on pay per view. Again I'm not a huge Dusty fan and while he was at the end of his career, it's not like Andre end of his career, he didn't need to do tag matches to cover up his condition. His house show runs were tons of singles matches. I never expected him to win the title but come on Dusty Vs Rick Rude is almost too easy to book. That would have been a great feud, and while they did have that one TV match, I think you could have gotten more out of it. Could you imagine Mr. Perfect bumping for Dusty?
The Savage feud for me is one of the biggest blunders though. That Mania 6 match should have been the singles match.
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 23, 2022 18:50:37 GMT -5
I think my problem with the way they booked Dusty was...they had great matches they could have done on paper and I mean while he was on 7 PPV's during that time only two of them were singles matches and one of them was an awful match with Randy Savage that was used to pivot him off of Savage to Dibiase. Let me say that again Dusty Rhodes and Randy Savage were in an awful two minute match on pay per view. Again I'm not a huge Dusty fan and while he was at the end of his career, it's not like Andre end of his career, he didn't need to do tag matches to cover up his condition. His house show runs were tons of singles matches. I never expected him to win the title but come on Dusty Vs Rick Rude is almost too easy to book. That would have been a great feud, and while they did have that one TV match, I think you could have gotten more out of it. Could you imagine Mr. Perfect bumping for Dusty? The Savage feud for me is one of the biggest blunders though. That Mania 6 match should have been the singles match. That's true. A lot of his PPV matches were very short or with some stipulation. I too was very disappointed with the Summer Slam match. I felt that these two, if given 12-15 minutes, could have put on a great show. Granted, it probably wouldn't be Flair/Steamboat, Savage/Steamboat, or Bret/Perfect, but I bet it would have been very entertaining. I thought I heard that Savage was injured around this time, so he wasn't able to go for long. I believe he took some time off around this time, not making a lot of house shows between Summer Slam and Survivor Series 1990. Wasn't his injury the reason he wasn't wrestling at Survivor Series? And you're right, I never thought about it before, but a Dusty vs Mr. Perfect feud sounds very interesting. Imagine the shouting matches between Dusty and the Brain. Seems liked that could have been really fun. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 23, 2022 23:47:44 GMT -5
It sounds funny but when I hear the word “misused,” I always think of RVD. Yes, he won the WWE Title and a plethora of other titles. He’s a hall of farmer. But has anyone been as over as RVD was in ‘01/02 and not been given the ball? The WWE was panicking to find their next big star, yet RVD was getting pops that rivaled Austin and Rock, and Bruce even admitted that he was a merchandise-selling machine.
It’s weird to say RVD was misused, but he always pops into my head when the topic comes up. So much potential wasted on jobbing to HHH for years, only to be moved to Smackdown in 2004 and basically do nothing until he tore his knee and missed a year of action.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Apr 24, 2022 11:56:16 GMT -5
It sounds funny but when I hear the word “misused,” I always think of RVD. Yes, he won the WWE Title and a plethora of other titles. He’s a hall of farmer. But has anyone been as over as RVD was in ‘01/02 and not been given the ball? The WWE was panicking to find their next big star, yet RVD was getting pops that rivaled Austin and Rock, and Bruce even admitted that he was a merchandise-selling machine. It’s weird to say RVD was misused, but he always pops into my head when the topic comes up. So much potential wasted on jobbing to HHH for years, only to be moved to Smackdown in 2004 and basically do nothing until he tore his knee and missed a year of action.
I will agree with ya on that. But the problem in Vince's eyes was that he didn't create the RVD that the fans were cheering for in 2001. That was Paul Heyman's creation.
It wasn't until finally in 2006 when Vince had RVD into the WWE style of RVD is when he was happy putting the WWE Title on him.... then RVD had to mess that one up ha ha ha
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 24, 2022 12:32:16 GMT -5
It sounds funny but when I hear the word “misused,” I always think of RVD. Yes, he won the WWE Title and a plethora of other titles. He’s a hall of farmer. But has anyone been as over as RVD was in ‘01/02 and not been given the ball? The WWE was panicking to find their next big star, yet RVD was getting pops that rivaled Austin and Rock, and Bruce even admitted that he was a merchandise-selling machine. It’s weird to say RVD was misused, but he always pops into my head when the topic comes up. So much potential wasted on jobbing to HHH for years, only to be moved to Smackdown in 2004 and basically do nothing until he tore his knee and missed a year of action. I will agree with ya on that. But the problem in Vince's eyes was that he didn't create the RVD that the fans were cheering for in 2001. That was Paul Heyman's creation. It wasn't until finally in 2006 when Vince had RVD into the WWE style of RVD is when he was happy putting the WWE Title on him.... then RVD had to mess that one up ha ha ha JR mentioned recently on one of his podcasts that Heyman constantly pitching RVD to be a top star in ‘01/02 likely hindered his progress more than helped it. Like you said Vince seems to shy away from pushing someone he didn’t create, and Heyman constantly pushing RVD to Vince and his cronies likely just made that a bigger point in Vince’s mind. Sad because RVD was legit rivaling Austin and Rock in pops and merchandise sales. I’ve always wondered had RVD been placed on Smackdown in 2002/2003 if he would have rose to the main event sooner than 2006. |
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Post by JokerFC on Apr 30, 2022 2:10:27 GMT -5
I will agree with ya on that. But the problem in Vince's eyes was that he didn't create the RVD that the fans were cheering for in 2001. That was Paul Heyman's creation. It wasn't until finally in 2006 when Vince had RVD into the WWE style of RVD is when he was happy putting the WWE Title on him.... then RVD had to mess that one up ha ha ha JR mentioned recently on one of his podcasts that Heyman constantly pitching RVD to be a top star in ‘01/02 likely hindered his progress more than helped it. Like you said Vince seems to shy away from pushing someone he didn’t create, and Heyman constantly pushing RVD to Vince and his cronies likely just made that a bigger point in Vince’s mind. Sad because RVD was legit rivaling Austin and Rock in pops and merchandise sales. I’ve always wondered had RVD been placed on Smackdown in 2002/2003 if he would have rose to the main event sooner than 2006. Prichard has said this too about Heyman...his persistance about some talents used to put Vince off. Also? I do think RVDs star would have been much brighter had he went to SD! even in the 2003 draft. |
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 30, 2022 12:11:02 GMT -5
Have to mention Sting. Even though its recent, but they really messed this up. They bring him in as a big name to feud with the authority, then they have him lose his first and only WrestleMania match for petty reasons. Made no sense. Even Scott Hall said so, he was in the meeting on how the match would go down, and he couldn't believe that Sting was losing the match. Then he has a big match with Rollins, and he loses that one as well, and he has a huge injury that ends his WWE run. Total waste of a talent that could have been big. Unlike a lot of the older talent that they have been bringing back recently, fans were really excited about this one.
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Post by The Brain on Apr 30, 2022 12:18:43 GMT -5
Vader will always be the first to come to mind for misused in the WWF
A beast in the ring with great athleticism. Booked to perfection in WCW from 90-94.Vince unfortunately didnt get the memo
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Post by JokerFC on May 3, 2022 19:19:33 GMT -5
Have to mention Sting. Even though its recent, but they really messed this up. They bring him in as a big name to feud with the authority, then they have him lose his first and only WrestleMania match for petty reasons. Made no sense. Even Scott Hall said so, he was in the meeting on how the match would go down, and he couldn't believe that Sting was losing the match. Then he has a big match with Rollins, and he loses that one as well, and he has a huge injury that ends his WWE run. Total waste of a talent that could have been big. Unlike a lot of the older talent that they have been bringing back recently, fans were really excited about this one. Yup...great post. Man I marked for Stings debut...It was some cracking booking that they flushed. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on May 3, 2022 20:23:41 GMT -5
Have to mention Sting. Even though its recent, but they really messed this up. They bring him in as a big name to feud with the authority, then they have him lose his first and only WrestleMania match for petty reasons. Made no sense. Even Scott Hall said so, he was in the meeting on how the match would go down, and he couldn't believe that Sting was losing the match. Then he has a big match with Rollins, and he loses that one as well, and he has a huge injury that ends his WWE run. Total waste of a talent that could have been big. Unlike a lot of the older talent that they have been bringing back recently, fans were really excited about this one. Yup...great post. Man I marked for Stings debut...It was some cracking booking that they flushed.
Vince is so petty, if he didn't create it then he doesn't care.... except for Goldberg. How is it that a WCW guy like Goldberg who still reeks of WCW with is Goldberg ways, get brought back and pushed so much by Vince?!
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Post by JokerFC on May 3, 2022 21:22:49 GMT -5
I was legit horrified that after all that Sting lost....I just couldnt believe that at the time. All that build & dastardly stuff from the Authority and the heel wins and the programme ends just like that. just SO flat.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on May 3, 2022 21:29:57 GMT -5
I was legit horrified that after all that Sting lost....I just couldnt believe that at the time. All that build & dastardly stuff from the Authority and the heel wins and the programme ends just like that. just SO flat.
Call me crazy, but I actually thought Sting was going to win at Wrestlemania that year against Triple H. I also thought it would go on later on in the show, not so soon to the beginning. But when I saw the NWO and DX get involved, I just groaned. I knew then it was all about WWF beating WCW then, and not about the Sting feuding with the authority.
Kind of a shame too, because they had something good going and Vince had to get petty still, 15 years after WCW died anyhow.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on May 4, 2022 17:22:55 GMT -5
Omg, I can write a book on this topic. Absolutely YES, 100%. And it’s PUZZLING because all Lex needed was a chance to carry the ball. I was a kid then, I was 100% on board with Luger. I didn’t even question why he turned babyface on the Intrepid because honestly, I knew him from WCW & my galoob figs & I didn’t understand why he was a heel in the first place haha.
Summerslam 1993 will always be the crossroads for Lugers career. Had he just won the belt that night, IDK, maybe he’s a flop, but they never gave him the ball to run with it. It was like Hogan beating Andre by count out, he needed to at least win the belt & see where it goes. And to think they put the balloons in the ceiling, ran the whole promotion with the Lex Express, US Intrepid…it’s unfathomable to me that they didn’t just pull the trigger & give him the ball. Unfathomable, they actually went out of their way NOT to payoff the story.
And that was it, after Summerslam 1993, even as a kid I knew, Hogan always won the big matches. Warrior won, Savage won…Luger won by count out & that was as good as losing because he didn’t win the belt. He just looked lesser than after that. Ugh, that whole thing drives me crazy to this day.
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Post by cordless2016 on May 4, 2022 21:43:26 GMT -5
I was legit horrified that after all that Sting lost....I just couldnt believe that at the time. All that build & dastardly stuff from the Authority and the heel wins and the programme ends just like that. just SO flat. I think it was Nash who commented that the day before WM that they were rehearsing the match and the nWo guys were shocked Sting was loosing (they assumed he was gonna go over since this was such a big deal to have Sting at WM). Nash also said something along the lines that Sting should have fired his lawyer immediately after that. |
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Post by JokerFC on May 4, 2022 21:44:42 GMT -5
I was legit horrified that after all that Sting lost....I just couldnt believe that at the time. All that build & dastardly stuff from the Authority and the heel wins and the programme ends just like that. just SO flat. I think it was Nash who commented that the day before WM that they were rehearsing the match and the nWo guys were shocked Sting was loosing (they assumed he was gonna go over since this was such a big deal to have Sting at WM). Nash also said something along the lines that Sting should have fired his lawyer immediately after that. I don't be inclined to believe too much outta Nash but it was such a deflation. |
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Post by cordless2016 on May 4, 2022 21:48:29 GMT -5
I think it was Nash who commented that the day before WM that they were rehearsing the match and the nWo guys were shocked Sting was loosing (they assumed he was gonna go over since this was such a big deal to have Sting at WM). Nash also said something along the lines that Sting should have fired his lawyer immediately after that. I don't be inclined to believe too much outta Nash but it was such a deflation. I know to take everything Nash says with a gain of salt, but I’d be shocked too if I found out HHH was going over Sting. Nash made a good point of Sting not protecting his character with that loss. |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on May 5, 2022 7:17:31 GMT -5
I genuinely love the Sting/HHH match because of all the theatrics, but Sting needed to win. It’s a blemish on the match & as soon as it happened I couldn’t help but think, I wish he’d just stayed away from WWE. In the end, I’m glad he was a part of WWE, Sting deserved it, but they did exactly what he had feared. Even his HOF induction, all Flair does is belittle him like he’s some rookie. What’s Flair known for? 4 Horsemen, 16 time champion….how much of that took place in WWF? Hate to break it to Flair but you’re a WCW guy too.
But anyway, yea Sting was misused. I’m just glad he wasn’t there long because they didn’t have the chance to truly make him ordinary like they absolutely would’ve done & have done to so many
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