alexxx
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Post by alexxx on Apr 19, 2022 17:15:34 GMT -5
Does anyone think the undertaker misused during 93 -95? He should had been the top guy for the wwf title belt instead of Bret hart and diesel or Lex Luger
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Apr 19, 2022 18:18:08 GMT -5
Undertaker was seen more as an attraction during that era. So therefore he wrestled the big guys, or the oddities of the WWF that were lingering around.
It wasn't until 1996 when Mankind came to the WWF did they finally start to shine with Undertaker in matches. He did have a good match with Bret Hart at Royal Rumble 96 and I think that's when we all kind of got a glimpse that Taker can actually wrestle!
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Post by CM Tusk on Apr 19, 2022 20:27:59 GMT -5
Taker was never a guy who needed a belt. Much like Andre, he sold tickets with just his presence. Half his World Title runs later in his career only really happened because they further sold the Streak.
Not being a champion doesn’t mean someone is being misused either. Seems to be a common misconception with wrestling.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 20, 2022 13:33:38 GMT -5
Like others said, Taker was used more like an attraction ala Andre The Giant in his early years. Could they have put him in better feuds? Yeah, for sure. Did he need the belt? Not really. He was always towards the top of the card and was already massively over without it.
It wasn’t until 1996 when Taker was allowed to expand his character and in-ring work that he was seen as more by Vince. His matches with Bret, Diesel, and Mankind throughout the year really helped to evolve his character more in one year than he had in the previous 5 put together.
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Post by PJ on Apr 21, 2022 13:23:51 GMT -5
No I don’t think he was misused during those years you mentioned. Like others said he didn’t need the title and was seen as an attraction.
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Post by JokerFC on Apr 21, 2022 17:23:37 GMT -5
Nope...could he have had better opponents as his monsters to slay? Yes indeed but other than that it was A1.
1996 is where UT really started to shine.
Vs Bret...vs Diesel...vs Mankind. Incredible stuff
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Post by Scott! on Apr 21, 2022 18:34:33 GMT -5
See if you look at it in later years too though, and look at Undertaker at Wrestlemania, people came to see him in matches that didn't need a title in it. I don't ever think the title is a requirement for wanting to watch a match, or indeed the performer in the match.
While I get that some fans put a lot of store into title matches, and yes it helps some guys be seen as more attractive, it's at times the story or the two performers you want to see together. Does Undertaker/Diesel at Wrestlemania 12 need a title? No. It was a great match and the story was there, plus as mentioned it was around that time that he was really showing he could have great matches rather than being stuck with shitty storylines based on his character and it showed. Plus, we got Bret/Shawn for the title that 'Mania AND had a great Undertaker match. There's really not room to complain there, at least from my point of view.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Apr 26, 2022 11:52:42 GMT -5
Bret, Undertaker and Lex were all terribly underutilized in 1995. Bret was doing comedy feuds with Lawler, evil dentists and pirates. Undertaker was super over, but still doing nothing of significance. Lex just floated along aimlessly.
Rebooking the WWF 1995 is a popular topic because it doesn't take a genius to give those guys something better to do especially when you look at the state of the company at that time
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Post by K5 on Apr 26, 2022 15:10:22 GMT -5
Bret, Undertaker and Lex were all terribly underutilized in 1995. Bret was doing comedy feuds with Lawler, evil dentists and pirates. Undertaker was super over, but still doing nothing of significance. Lex just floated along aimlessly. Rebooking the WWF 1995 is a popular topic because it doesn't take a genius to give those guys something better to do especially when you look at the state of the company at that time I hated the lawler/Bret feud and I hated the Backlund feud too. Bret deserved better |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Apr 26, 2022 18:27:51 GMT -5
Bret, Undertaker and Lex were all terribly underutilized in 1995. Bret was doing comedy feuds with Lawler, evil dentists and pirates. Undertaker was super over, but still doing nothing of significance. Lex just floated along aimlessly. Rebooking the WWF 1995 is a popular topic because it doesn't take a genius to give those guys something better to do especially when you look at the state of the company at that time I hated the lawler/Bret feud and I hated the Backlund feud too. Bret deserved better I think the Bret/Backlund feud was really good because it was different and original especially for that time. The old babyface champ goes mental against the new face of the franchise. What took the steam out of that angle was Diesel immediately taking the belt back to the good side. Then they stretched that rivalry out for another five months, but without the belt it just wasn't the same at all. For as much as I love the drama and story behind their match at Survivor Series, Bret/Backlund at WrestleMania XI is a complete dud. That steak needed some sizzle. |
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Post by koreygunz on Apr 27, 2022 10:50:40 GMT -5
I hated the lawler/Bret feud and I hated the Backlund feud too. Bret deserved better I think the Bret/Backlund feud was really good because it was different and original especially for that time. The old babyface champ goes mental against the new face of the franchise. What took the steam out of that angle was Diesel immediately taking the belt back to the good side. Then they stretched that rivalry out for another five months, but without the belt it just wasn't the same at all. For as much as I love the drama and story behind their match at Survivor Series, Bret/Backlund at WrestleMania XI is a complete dud. That steak needed some sizzle. I thought a final Bret/Owen match in a Submission Match would have been good in that spot. Owen did basically cost Bret the title at Survivor Series, and Backlund could have been a trainer of sorts and taught Owen the Chicken Wing |
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Post by JokerFC on Apr 30, 2022 2:00:17 GMT -5
I think the Bret/Backlund feud was really good because it was different and original especially for that time. The old babyface champ goes mental against the new face of the franchise. What took the steam out of that angle was Diesel immediately taking the belt back to the good side. Then they stretched that rivalry out for another five months, but without the belt it just wasn't the same at all. For as much as I love the drama and story behind their match at Survivor Series, Bret/Backlund at WrestleMania XI is a complete dud. That steak needed some sizzle. I thought a final Bret/Owen match in a Submission Match would have been good in that spot. Owen did basically cost Bret the title at Survivor Series, and Backlund could have been a trainer of sorts and taught Owen the Chicken Wing Agree...yeah that could have worked out great. |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on May 13, 2022 13:51:55 GMT -5
Undertaker and Bret were terribly misused in 1995. You would think with how thin the roster was on star power at that time they could have figured out a way to feature two of their most popular faces in a more prominent way.
Absolutely embarrassing.
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Post by JokerFC on May 14, 2022 10:32:17 GMT -5
Vince was totally on autopilot in 1995. Creatively the WWF was practically bankrupt.
Great roster mishandled terribly
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on May 25, 2022 16:43:37 GMT -5
Like others said, Taker was used more like an attraction ala Andre The Giant in his early years. Could they have put him in better feuds? Yeah, for sure. Did he need the belt? Not really. He was always towards the top of the card and was already massively over without it. It wasn’t until 1996 when Taker was allowed to expand his character and in-ring work that he was seen as more by Vince. His matches with Bret, Diesel, and Mankind throughout the year really helped to evolve his character more in one year than he had in the previous 5 put together. I couldn’t really decide how I wanted to word my post so I scanned back through the thread and found this. 100% my thoughts |
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