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Post by JokerFC on May 3, 2022 19:28:01 GMT -5
I was just thinking about this & man their WWF experiences are eerily similar...... Both men were very over World champions in the other outfits in the MNW. Steiner run as champ and matches was great even though it was during WCW decline. Both men were very suplex orientated in their moveset. Both men debuted in MSG to white hot reactions & steamrolled established heel talent that were doing great on TV weekly. Both men were carrying injuries when they were signed...injuries that very much hampered their performances & derailed their push. Both men wore headgear of some kind to the ring...towel & chainmail. Working nights and this just occurred to me to blurt out  |
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Post by jason88cubs on May 3, 2022 20:12:46 GMT -5
lol true
Man I loved Steiner as champ in WCW. It really gets overlooked
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on May 3, 2022 20:21:02 GMT -5
Don't forget, in ECW Taz and the Steiners were a team. When Sabu didn't show up, Rick Steiner filled in. And then I believe they did six man tag matches too at times because of them all being suplex machines.
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Post by JokerFC on May 3, 2022 21:18:11 GMT -5
lol true Man I loved Steiner as champ in WCW. It really gets overlooked It really does....vs Goldberg @ Fall Brawl 2000 is a real gem IMHO. Over the top power brawl... |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on May 3, 2022 21:19:21 GMT -5
lol true Man I loved Steiner as champ in WCW. It really gets overlooked It really does....vs Goldberg @ Fall Brawl 2000 is a real gem IMHO. Over the top power brawl...
I remember watching that match for the first in the year 2010, I had just got all the WCW PPVs from a website and was watching them and the fans were crazy nuts for that match! And it was awesome. So hard hitting, neither man wanted to give in to the other it seemed. Almost a shoot at times.
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Post by JokerFC on May 3, 2022 21:20:53 GMT -5
It really does....vs Goldberg @ Fall Brawl 2000 is a real gem IMHO. Over the top power brawl...
I remember watching that match for the first in the year 2010, I had just got all the WCW PPVs from a website and was watching them and the fans were crazy nuts for that match! And it was awesome. So hard hitting, neither man wanted to give in to the other it seemed. Almost a shoot at times.
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Post by The Brain on May 4, 2022 12:30:02 GMT -5
Always fun to see these two suplex the hell outta guys
And I too was a fan of Steiner's main event run during the dying days of WCW.So damn entertaining
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on May 4, 2022 16:04:35 GMT -5
When Bruce Prichard said on STW that they pitched Steiner coming into the 93 Rumble & winning it, I think his entire career takes another path had that happened. I loved Scott, I liked the Steiners as a whole but mostly because of Scott.
I think the reason Steiner & Taz both didn’t work out in WWF was because neither politicked. They were both accomplished amateur wrestlers & probably just didn’t play the game. If you look at them both, they have almost identical personalities.
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Post by JokerFC on May 4, 2022 17:58:43 GMT -5
When Bruce Prichard said on STW that they pitched Steiner coming into the 93 Rumble & winning it, I think his entire career takes another path had that happened. I loved Scott, I liked the Steiners as a whole but mostly because of Scott. I think the reason Steiner & Taz both didn’t work out in WWF was because neither politicked. They were both accomplished amateur wrestlers & probably just didn’t play the game. If you look at them both, they have almost identical personalities. In fairness with Steiner? his drop foot had him very limited in the ring and they booked him all wrong vs HHH. Im not suggesting he should have beaten him or anything but he looked like sh*t after those matches and IMHO unfairly shouldered the blame for them being stinkers. Taz got forgotten about. Vince got the Radicalz unexpectedly and Taz got pushed down the card. Too many people bitching to Vince about his size too according to JR. Taz was clearly menat to go into the high midcard with Jericho, Angle etc. But that slot went to Benoit and another high mid slot went to Eddie. |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on May 4, 2022 18:18:35 GMT -5
When Bruce Prichard said on STW that they pitched Steiner coming into the 93 Rumble & winning it, I think his entire career takes another path had that happened. I loved Scott, I liked the Steiners as a whole but mostly because of Scott. I think the reason Steiner & Taz both didn’t work out in WWF was because neither politicked. They were both accomplished amateur wrestlers & probably just didn’t play the game. If you look at them both, they have almost identical personalities. In fairness with Steiner? his drop foot had him very limited in the ring and they booked him all wrong vs HHH. Im not suggesting he should have beaten him or anything but he looked like sh*t after those matches and IMHO unfairly shouldered the blame for them being stinkers. Taz got forgotten about. Vince got the Radicalz unexpectedly and Taz got pushed down the card. Too many people bitching to Vince about his size too according to JR. Taz was clearly menat to go into the high midcard with Jericho, Angle etc. But that slot went to Benoit and another high mid slot went to Eddie. No I agree with you, by 2002 Steiner wasn’t in any position to be a main event draw unless she drastically changed his matches. Right off the bat, they were obsessed with bringing in guys & immediately putting them into Championship matches. At the time, the guys would build to that. It didn’t do him any favors to “cut the line” per say and just jump in as number 1 contender. |
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Post by hbkjason on May 5, 2022 3:48:40 GMT -5
I was a big fan of Steiner and thought it was awesome when he showed up at the 2002 Survivor Series. I have to say that I know a lot of people like to say Triple H burries talent, but in this case, I just do not think Steiner was capable of being a legit main event threat to him due to his physical limitations.
Taz was another one that came with with a ton of fanfare and I thought he was awesome in ECW, the way he would just throw people around was so awesome to watch. He looked like a legit bad m'fer! I agree with what other people are saying about how the Radicalz overshadowed Taz, it was like Vince was a kid who kept getting new wrestling figures and pushing them for a couple of weeks until he got some new ones and then he just wanted to play with them.
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Post by Warriah' on May 5, 2022 8:12:06 GMT -5
This is never not funny to me
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on May 5, 2022 17:03:51 GMT -5
It was also a different era of wrestling in 2002. Had Steiner & Taz came in during 96, they would’ve been awesome, because the product was a lot more dependent on the talent going out and getting themselves over. By 2000-2002, they were already starting to hand these guys scripts & it was totally produced. Guys like Taz & Steiner we’re better off the cuff. Plus Steiner was a babyface, that was never gonna work.
If the crowd wants to cheer Steiner for being a prick, let them cheer, but he needed to be the prick. Making Steiner babyface just totally handcuffed where we could go in a promo & it didn’t work at all.
Taz started dressing like a janitor & even I don’t understand why to this day what he was supposed to be in that gear haha. He looked like a garbage man. And the sunglasses too? He looked like one of those teddy bears with the beach glasses.
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Post by JokerFC on May 5, 2022 17:56:15 GMT -5
I was a big fan of Steiner and thought it was awesome when he showed up at the 2002 Survivor Series. I have to say that I know a lot of people like to say Triple H burries talent, but in this case, I just do not think Steiner was capable of being a legit main event threat to him due to his physical limitations. Taz was another one that came with with a ton of fanfare and I thought he was awesome in ECW, the way he would just throw people around was so awesome to watch. He looked like a legit bad m'fer! I agree with what other people are saying about how the Radicalz overshadowed Taz, it was like Vince was a kid who kept getting new wrestling figures and pushing them for a couple of weeks until he got some new ones and then he just wanted to play with them. Yup Steiner's physical limitations totally hampered him. He had a bad back but the drop foot killed him. Vince knew this and insisted in booking him in that plodfest at RR03. NWO 03 was better though...played more to Steiner's strengths. |
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on May 25, 2022 16:51:31 GMT -5
I was a big fan of Steiner and thought it was awesome when he showed up at the 2002 Survivor Series. I have to say that I know a lot of people like to say Triple H burries talent, but in this case, I just do not think Steiner was capable of being a legit main event threat to him due to his physical limitations. Taz was another one that came with with a ton of fanfare and I thought he was awesome in ECW, the way he would just throw people around was so awesome to watch. He looked like a legit bad m'fer! I agree with what other people are saying about how the Radicalz overshadowed Taz, it was like Vince was a kid who kept getting new wrestling figures and pushing them for a couple of weeks until he got some new ones and then he just wanted to play with them. Yup Steiner's physical limitations totally hampered him. He had a bad back but the drop foot killed him. Vince knew this and insisted in booking him in that plodfest at RR03. NWO 03 was better though...played more to Steiner's strengths. I love NWO 2003. Such a hot crowd |
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Post by cordless2016 on May 26, 2022 1:22:23 GMT -5
I was a big fan of Steiner and thought it was awesome when he showed up at the 2002 Survivor Series. I have to say that I know a lot of people like to say Triple H burries talent, but in this case, I just do not think Steiner was capable of being a legit main event threat to him due to his physical limitations. Taz was another one that came with with a ton of fanfare and I thought he was awesome in ECW, the way he would just throw people around was so awesome to watch. He looked like a legit bad m'fer! I agree with what other people are saying about how the Radicalz overshadowed Taz, it was like Vince was a kid who kept getting new wrestling figures and pushing them for a couple of weeks until he got some new ones and then he just wanted to play with them. Steiner was suffering from drop foot, which seriously hampered his ability to walk, let alone perform in the ring. The WWE was fully aware of this when they signed Scott, yet rather than try to hide/protect his injuries, they still chose to book him in 20 minutes matches with HHH…who was dealing with lower body injuries as well. I’ve always found it funny that Scott gets blamed for those matches bombing when HHH looked no better in them. Hunter was physically at his largest ever, which had greatly affected his in-ring work since his return in January of 2002. Add his quad-bruises and other nagging injuries at the time, and the matches with Steiner were the perfect storm (it’s no shock that HHH put on dud after dud match in 2003 unless he was working with HBK). Could Scott have worked as a main event guy? The reactions he got on a weekly basis outside of the Rumble and NWO say he could have, but the WWE did nothing to work to his strengths or to minimize his weaknesses. |
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Post by JokerFC on May 26, 2022 19:02:37 GMT -5
I was a big fan of Steiner and thought it was awesome when he showed up at the 2002 Survivor Series. I have to say that I know a lot of people like to say Triple H burries talent, but in this case, I just do not think Steiner was capable of being a legit main event threat to him due to his physical limitations. Taz was another one that came with with a ton of fanfare and I thought he was awesome in ECW, the way he would just throw people around was so awesome to watch. He looked like a legit bad m'fer! I agree with what other people are saying about how the Radicalz overshadowed Taz, it was like Vince was a kid who kept getting new wrestling figures and pushing them for a couple of weeks until he got some new ones and then he just wanted to play with them. Steiner was suffering from drop foot, which seriously hampered his ability to walk, let alone perform in the ring. The WWE was fully aware of this when they signed Scott, yet rather than try to hide/protect his injuries, they still chose to book him in 20 minutes matches with HHH…who was dealing with lower body injuries as well. I’ve always found it funny that Scott gets blamed for those matches bombing when HHH looked no better in them. Hunter was physically at his largest ever, which had greatly affected his in-ring work since his return in January of 2002. Add his quad-bruises and other nagging injuries at the time, and the matches with Steiner were the perfect storm (it’s no shock that HHH put on dud after dud match in 2003 unless he was working with HBK). Could Scott have worked as a main event guy? The reactions he got on a weekly basis outside of the Rumble and NWO say he could have, but the WWE did nothing to work to his strengths or to minimize his weaknesses. Yeah they really didnt....strange because he could have been utilised better for them. But he was brought in for one purpose and when that was done-so was he. |
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Post by cordless2016 on May 26, 2022 20:42:00 GMT -5
Steiner was suffering from drop foot, which seriously hampered his ability to walk, let alone perform in the ring. The WWE was fully aware of this when they signed Scott, yet rather than try to hide/protect his injuries, they still chose to book him in 20 minutes matches with HHH…who was dealing with lower body injuries as well. I’ve always found it funny that Scott gets blamed for those matches bombing when HHH looked no better in them. Hunter was physically at his largest ever, which had greatly affected his in-ring work since his return in January of 2002. Add his quad-bruises and other nagging injuries at the time, and the matches with Steiner were the perfect storm (it’s no shock that HHH put on dud after dud match in 2003 unless he was working with HBK). Could Scott have worked as a main event guy? The reactions he got on a weekly basis outside of the Rumble and NWO say he could have, but the WWE did nothing to work to his strengths or to minimize his weaknesses. Yeah they really didnt....strange because he could have been utilised better for them. But he was brought in for one purpose and when that was done-so was he. Exactly. The moment they had him confront HHH, his run was dead, which is a shame as despite debuting him as a face (bad move), he was getting big reactions week after week until the rumble. It always seemed like Steiner and Booker were simply placeholders until HHH could feud with his buddy Nash. Steiner was dead in the water following the rumble, and Booker was never presented as a serious threat to HHH. Just two more names to add to HHH’s list of wins. |
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