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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on May 4, 2022 15:59:05 GMT -5
This is a topic I always wanna bring up when I’m watching the network.
Why is it in the WWF, whenever Lawler hit a piledriver, the opponent would no sell it? Was there ever an explanation for that? I was watching a match with Hitman last night & even HE no sold it which raised my eyebrows lol.
As a kid, even I had heard that Lawlers piledriver broke Kauffman’s neck, so you’d think this move would have been protected as one of the dangerous finishers.
What was the deal with that?
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Post by The Brain on May 4, 2022 16:36:37 GMT -5
Pretty much Vince saying'' You and your piledriver were over in Memphis but not here pal!''
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on May 4, 2022 17:15:24 GMT -5
Pretty much Vince saying'' You and your piledriver were over in Memphis but not here pal!'' Lol that’s what I think as well, like it was some backhand to Lawler. I’m surprised guys like Hart went along with it though. It’s like a spot, he does the piledriver & the opponent no sells it. I was watching a match with Hitman & I’m thinking, alright, Hart will sell it….nope! Why would that be a good spot though!? That’s his finish & like I said, it had a solid reputation even as a kid, I never watched Memphis wrestling or knew what it was, but even I knew he broke Andy Kaufman’s neck with the piledriver. That was pop culture |
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Post by The Brain on May 4, 2022 17:25:03 GMT -5
Pretty much Vince saying'' You and your piledriver were over in Memphis but not here pal!'' Lol that’s what I think as well, like it was some backhand to Lawler. I’m surprised guys like Hart went along with it though. It’s like a spot, he does the piledriver & the opponent no sells it. I was watching a match with Hitman & I’m thinking, alright, Hart will sell it….nope! Why would that be a good spot though!? That’s his finish & like I said, it had a solid reputation even as a kid, I never watched Memphis wrestling or knew what it was, but even I knew he broke Andy Kaufman’s neck with the piledriver. That was pop culture Big difference was in Memphis he was an over like rover babyface while in WWF he was the sneaky/cowardly heel. The fans in Memphis couldnt wait to see em piledrive the heel while the WWF fans couldnt wait to see the faces make the comeback and beat the sh** outta em.Sadly that meant the no sell of the move majority of the time. I dont agree with it but I get it. |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on May 4, 2022 17:28:57 GMT -5
Lol that’s what I think as well, like it was some backhand to Lawler. I’m surprised guys like Hart went along with it though. It’s like a spot, he does the piledriver & the opponent no sells it. I was watching a match with Hitman & I’m thinking, alright, Hart will sell it….nope! Why would that be a good spot though!? That’s his finish & like I said, it had a solid reputation even as a kid, I never watched Memphis wrestling or knew what it was, but even I knew he broke Andy Kaufman’s neck with the piledriver. That was pop culture Big difference was in Memphis he was an over like rover babyface while in WWF he was the sneaky/cowardly heel. The fans in Memphis couldnt wait to see em piledrive the heel while the WWF fans couldnt wait to see the faces make the comeback and beat the sh** outta em.Sadly that meant the no sell of the move majority of the time. I dont agree with it but I get it. Seeing it explained like that, that makes sense. I forget he was a babyface in Memphis. My issue with wrestling has always been, I don’t see the need for the heel to suck in order for them to be a heel haha. Why can’t the babyface just be better? No selling moves like that is just like, ok so how would Lawler EVER win? |
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Post by The Brain on May 4, 2022 17:38:44 GMT -5
Big difference was in Memphis he was an over like rover babyface while in WWF he was the sneaky/cowardly heel. The fans in Memphis couldnt wait to see em piledrive the heel while the WWF fans couldnt wait to see the faces make the comeback and beat the sh** outta em.Sadly that meant the no sell of the move majority of the time. I dont agree with it but I get it. Seeing it explained like that, that makes sense. I forget he was a babyface in Memphis. My issue with wrestling has always been, I don’t see the need for the heel to suck in order for them to be a heel haha. Why can’t the babyface just be better? No selling moves like that is just like, ok so how would Lawler EVER win? He did win with it over ham n eggers like Aldo Montoya and Scott Putski but yeah when he fought the bigger names the move didnt stand a chance IIRC he hit Owen Hart with it in a match in 93 but still had to use the trunks when he pinned em.Just defeats the whole purpose of it |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on May 4, 2022 18:13:40 GMT -5
Seeing it explained like that, that makes sense. I forget he was a babyface in Memphis. My issue with wrestling has always been, I don’t see the need for the heel to suck in order for them to be a heel haha. Why can’t the babyface just be better? No selling moves like that is just like, ok so how would Lawler EVER win? He did win with it over ham n eggers like Aldo Montoya and Scott Putski but yeah when he fought the bigger names the move didnt stand a chance IIRC he hit Owen Hart with it in a match in 93 but still had to use the trunks when he pinned em.Just defeats the whole purpose of it Lol yea, it’s something I have noticed in the background, like anytime he does it the opponent no sells & when I saw Hart so it I was like, ok this is a thing?? |
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Post by jason88cubs on May 4, 2022 19:47:14 GMT -5
Lawler had such a pretty piledriver
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on May 4, 2022 20:07:16 GMT -5
I wonder why Lawler even agreed to come to the WWF in late 1992?? I always figured he would have stayed in Memphis with USWA because he pretty much owned it.
It did make for some interesting USWA Champions over the years though because of WWF guys working there.
Owen Hart, Papa Shango, Randy Savage, Tatanka, Razor Ramon, Ahmed Johnson, and there may have even been others.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on May 5, 2022 8:02:41 GMT -5
I wonder why Lawler even agreed to come to the WWF in late 1992?? I always figured he would have stayed in Memphis with USWA because he pretty much owned it. It did make for some interesting USWA Champions over the years though because of WWF guys working there. Owen Hart, Papa Shango, Randy Savage, Tatanka, Razor Ramon, Ahmed Johnson, and there may have even been others. I can see him coming over to WWF for just that, USWA exposure…not that it was good exposure haha, it exposure none the less. I like his first year, participating in the “Royal” Rumble and his feud with Bret that started at the “King” of the Ring were all great ideas. It was a cool idea to want to see him in those situations. But yea, considering he was such a big deal in Memphis, he was the equivalent of like Bobby Heenan or Jim Cornette in the ring, as far as legitimacy goes. Like, you knew when those guys were put into a match, they were gonna just get beat up on by the babyface. One of the issues for real though was that they copied The King concept so many times before he actually showed up (King Hacksaw, King Haku, Macho King, King Harley Race) and then even a King of the Ring…when they got the ACTUAL King, Vince probably just thought like, I’ve done this 100 times already. |
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Post by rateddal on May 5, 2022 8:39:39 GMT -5
No selling piledrivers should never beca thing. Even the most ridiculously booked match ever, Hogan's 1989 Survivor Series match, Powers of Pain were DQd after a Spike piledriver, Hogan who no sold everything sold the hell out of it.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on May 5, 2022 10:52:38 GMT -5
No selling piledrivers should never beca thing. Even the most ridiculously booked match ever, Hogan's 1989 Survivor Series match, Powers of Pain were DQd after a Spike piledriver, Hogan who no sold everything sold the hell out of it. 100% and it’s always been a protected move. Like, when a guy hit a piledriver when I was a kid, match over! Even if it wasn’t that guys finish, match over. |
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