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Post by coldblooded on Jul 25, 2022 0:10:51 GMT -5
I definitely pre-ordered this, had to. And I'll be there when it's on clearance to happily buy another. These exclusives need to be supported at the end of the day to have more 3 packs made.
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 25, 2022 5:21:01 GMT -5
Not really. This has clearance written all over it. Don't get me wrong. I'm glad it's being made but it's not day one purchase. I will get it... eventually. The 4 horsemen set was awesome & that warmed. Anybody remember the retail price for that? I'm guessing this set is more expensive 64.99. Not bad at all honestly. Three elites and the Raw letters. Pretty legit. And that Undertaker is the best early to mid 90s version Undertaker figure released yet. The Horsemen was just a stupid choice altogether. Not that they didn’t deserve figures, but the first lineups should have been knockout punches for an elite multi-pack. But starting strong is not really Mattel’s forte. How was the Horsemen a stupid choice for a 4-figure set? They are one of the biggest groups in wrestling history, especially one centered around 4 members. |
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Post by rKoNomad316 on Jul 25, 2022 7:43:37 GMT -5
Cool idea but not worth it for me. Another box set with 2 figures I don’t don’t care about.
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Jul 25, 2022 9:03:31 GMT -5
I definitely pre-ordered this, had to. And I'll be there when it's on clearance to happily buy another. These exclusives need to be supported at the end of the day to have more 3 packs made. Same here. |
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Post by MWFD on Jul 25, 2022 9:04:00 GMT -5
Not really. This has clearance written all over it. Don't get me wrong. I'm glad it's being made but it's not day one purchase. I will get it... eventually. The 4 horsemen set was awesome & that warmed. Anybody remember the retail price for that? I'm guessing this set is more expensive The 4 horsemen set had no accessories except Windham’s vest and was still $50. This set has accessories for each figure (including a soft goods jacket for Taker) PLUS the RAW sign and is $65, and it looks better MOC imo. Do we have a picture of this RAW set MOC? Also, I did not know Undertaker is coming with soft goods jacket. Was that confirmed? |
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Post by screech on Jul 25, 2022 9:05:29 GMT -5
The 4 horsemen set had no accessories except Windham’s vest and was still $50. This set has accessories for each figure (including a soft goods jacket for Taker) PLUS the RAW sign and is $65, and it looks better MOC imo. Do we have a picture of this RAW set MOC? Also, I did not know Undertaker is coming with soft goods jacket. Was that confirmed?  |
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Post by ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝 on Jul 25, 2022 9:27:12 GMT -5
100% agree this is at high risk for clearance. Depends on how many Target actually ships to the stores. All 3 characters shelfwarm pretty hard -- I remember seeing Legends Razor for awhile, 1-2-3 Kid and E33 X-Pac were around for a long time, and this will be the nth Taker figure this year. Add on that its a steap price for a retail toy. This thing's gonna be $30 before you know it.
Doesn't mean I don't love it. Great job by Mattel. But it just seems like that kind of set.
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Post by TGTD 2.0 on Jul 25, 2022 11:23:17 GMT -5
Maybe I missed it but has an estimated release date for this been mentioned?
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Post by hb2k4life on Jul 25, 2022 11:35:27 GMT -5
100% agree this is at high risk for clearance. Depends on how many Target actually ships to the stores. All 3 characters shelfwarm pretty hard -- I remember seeing Legends Razor for awhile, 1-2-3 Kid and E33 X-Pac were around for a long time, and this will be the nth Taker figure this year. Add on that its a steap price for a retail toy. This thing's gonna be $30 before you know it. Doesn't mean I don't love it. Great job by Mattel. But it just seems like that kind of set. I am one who passed on Razors legend figure. Sorry, but I do not think the headscan has improved at all since 2014! I know they can do better! Heck, I still use a jakks headsculpt on my wolfpac Scott Hall. I think it looks so much better |
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Post by ddt4thee on Jul 25, 2022 11:41:54 GMT -5
A cheaper way would just buy the warrior because it comes with BOTH rude heads, then find some suited figures at a local flea market for cheap. Maybe a suited triple h. Bingo 2 rudes without breaking bank. True. Another company usually sells the BAF separate so you don’t have to buy the whole set( so that’s probably what I’ll buy. Just depends on the price, if not I’ll do like you said I know which place you're talking about and have been curious to buy them, but are they Jakks scale or Mattel? A lot of the accessories I've bought there were Jakks scale. |
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Post by AxelSmackdown on Jul 25, 2022 11:53:20 GMT -5
Maybe I missed it but has an estimated release date for this been mentioned? not that I’ve heard of |
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Post by Keck Collects on Jul 25, 2022 12:03:41 GMT -5
Let's celebrate that they didn't carry over the Legends 11 Scott Hall face scan for this Razor.
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Post by AxelSmackdown on Jul 25, 2022 12:05:34 GMT -5
Let's celebrate that they didn't carry over the Legends 11 Scott Hall face scan for this Razor. why would they? this is razor ramon not scott hall. two different people |
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 25, 2022 12:12:05 GMT -5
How was the Horsemen a stupid choice for a 4-figure set? They are one of the biggest groups in wrestling history, especially one centered around 4 members. Well, for one, hindsight is already on my side as the 4 pack hardly sold and was clearanced out (I still saw it in stores months after the fact). But overall, it was really underwhelming. I don’t deny their success or placement in wrestling history. But at the time, if a new multi-pack elite line was launching and people were told to submit wish lists… I seriously doubt Barry Windham and Arn Anderson was gracing a whole lot of lists. Look I love Mattel and what they have done overall. But holy hell they have had some misfires, not the least of which is dooming new lines with poor opening lineups. ALL THREE elite multipacks were a disaster. Here are some other lineups that were 100% doomed from the start due to poor roster selection… - the original legends line (everyone knows this story and it has since come back so no need to retread) - Epic Moments (who tf was asking for a Festival of Friendship 🤦♂️) - again the elite multipacks we are discussing - Target Elite 2 Packs (So Mattel’s original elite 2 packs failed miserably… they decide to try again and what they do they open with… the Wild Samoans 🤨). - The TNF line at Walmart —> so much potential here again totally blown. The one set they did get right (BATB) was marred by Sting’s Donkey Kong head and Luger’s boots). The Epic Moments one is especially sickening. Soooooo much potential with that one. Aside from the Hardys, every set was trash. But none of the 4 packs did well, neither the Heenan Family nor the Nitro stars did well. So yes, the 4 packs were a bad idea, but it wasn't a bad idea because they went with the Horsemen, or that the Horsemen were used first. It seems like 4 packs were just too much for most people to pay for at one time. |
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Post by CM Tusk on Jul 25, 2022 12:55:44 GMT -5
But none of the 4 packs did well, neither the Heenan Family nor the Nitro stars did well. So yes, the 4 packs were a bad idea, but it wasn't a bad idea because they went with the Horsemen, or that the Horsemen were used first. It seems like 4 packs were just too much for most people to pay for at one time. Um no? All the 4 packs did bad because they all sucked. The Heenan family was all repaints except Heenan, which who was screaming for that attire. Also, the last one had the Outsiders in street clothes and Larry Zbyszko… LARRY ZBYSZKO Pretty simple math. If you want to sell an expensive set, make better choices on who’s included. Barry Windham and Larry Zbyszko aren’t doing shyt The Heenan was from Wrestlemania 3, arguably the biggest moment he was part of, Big John Studd was a first time in the line, Perfect was in an attire that most wanted, and Andre was his only elite in latter run dark blue. It also does pretty decent on the secondary market. The Horsemen had the first time in the line Windham, who people did want, a new Flair scan, and the only wide release of Tully and Arn. Can’t argue the WCW one though I’m sure old school collectors wanted Zbyszko. Though I thought this was a limited released set. So the four packs didn’t completely suck. |
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 25, 2022 13:07:20 GMT -5
But none of the 4 packs did well, neither the Heenan Family nor the Nitro stars did well. So yes, the 4 packs were a bad idea, but it wasn't a bad idea because they went with the Horsemen, or that the Horsemen were used first. It seems like 4 packs were just too much for most people to pay for at one time. Um no? All the 4 packs did bad because they all sucked. The Heenan family was all repaints except Heenan, which who was screaming for that attire. Also, the last one had the Outsiders in street clothes and Larry Zbyszko… LARRY ZBYSZKO Pretty simple math. If you want to sell an expensive set, make better choices on who’s included. Barry Windham and Larry Zbyszko aren’t doing shyt Not really. All sets seem to do bad at retail. Even the Undertaker 5 pack figure set sat at ToysRus's and got discounted. Having big names doesn't always equal big sales. |
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 25, 2022 13:27:52 GMT -5
Not really. All sets seem to do bad at retail. Even the Undertaker 5 pack figure set sat at ToysRus's and got discounted. Having big names doesn't always equal big sales. Dude that Undertaker set was a five pack of basic repaints. Not at all the same thing. What if one of the first four packs was one of the following… 1) Elite 98 Taker 2) Debut Kane rerelease 3) Paul Bearer 4) Mankind (Cell match attire) or 1) Shawn Michaels Royal Rumble 98 (just repaint E19) 2) WMX Razor (again repaint) 3) Bret (just do any 96-97 attire) 4) Diesel (repaint) Those two would have sold exponentially more and the line would have survived longer at the very least. You have no evidence that these choices would have worked or sold any better than the ones chosen. And those would have had repaints in them as well, which you complained was one of the reasons the other sets didn't do well. And to you, these would be better choices, but to others they would prefer the Horsemen to these wrestlers. Also, you keep mentioning that other 4 pack sets, 3 pack sets have failed, and you say it's because of the wrestlers they chose for the sets, but they all failed. And they all had different types of stars: current stars, older stars, famous groups, famous wrestlers, first time in the line figures, etc. and it didn't seem to matter. |
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Post by gentlemanjohnny on Jul 25, 2022 13:53:19 GMT -5
How was the Horsemen a stupid choice for a 4-figure set? They are one of the biggest groups in wrestling history, especially one centered around 4 members. Well, for one, hindsight is already on my side as the 4 pack hardly sold and was clearanced out (I still saw it in stores months after the fact). But overall, it was really underwhelming. I don’t deny their success or placement in wrestling history. But at the time, if a new multi-pack elite line was launching and people were told to submit wish lists… I seriously doubt Barry Windham and Arn Anderson was gracing a whole lot of lists. Look I love Mattel and what they have done overall. But holy hell they have had some misfires, not the least of which is dooming new lines with poor opening lineups. ALL THREE elite multipacks were a disaster. Here are some other lineups that were 100% doomed from the start due to poor roster selection… - the original legends line (everyone knows this story and it has since come back so no need to retread) - Epic Moments (who tf was asking for a Festival of Friendship 🤦♂️) - again the elite multipacks we are discussing - Target Elite 2 Packs (So Mattel’s original elite 2 packs failed miserably… they decide to try again and what they do they open with… the Wild Samoans 🤨). - The TNF line at Walmart —> so much potential here again totally blown. The one set they did get right (BATB) was marred by Sting’s Donkey Kong head and Luger’s boots). The Epic Moments one is especially sickening. Soooooo much potential with that one. Aside from the Hardys, every set was trash. I see both sides of the argument here. The Horsemen set was cool and I bought it of course, but it rotted hard. People were calling for that Heenan, myself included. It’s Wrestlemania 3, so it was the right choice. You’re on the money with the epic moments. That was the time for something like Pipers Pit or the Barber shop. Festival of friendship killed that off. I can’t remember what else they went with but I think they had a Shield 3 pack. Horrendous choices. Forgot about the Luger boots. Terrible. The elite 2 packs blew. They put out a Samoa Joe and Rey 2 pack to commemorate a match that lasted 2 seconds. We all wanted a Chyna figure, but of course they had to put her in a 2 pack with the son-in-law. I bought the Wild Samoans on clearance for 8 dollars. Awesome figures, but an odd choice to start a line with. |
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Post by gentlemanjohnny on Jul 25, 2022 14:08:38 GMT -5
I see both sides of the argument here. The Horsemen set was cool and I bought it of course, but it rotted hard. People were calling for that Heenan, myself included. It’s Wrestlemania 3, so it was the right choice. You’re on the money with the epic moments. That was the time for something like Pipers Pit or the Barber shop. Festival of friendship killed that off. I can’t remember what else they went with but I think they had a Shield 3 pack. Horrendous choices. Forgot about the Luger boots. Terrible. The elite 2 packs blew. They put out a Samoa Joe and Rey 2 pack to commemorate a match that lasted 2 seconds. We all wanted a Chyna figure, but of course they had to put her in a 2 pack with the son-in-law. I bought the Wild Samoans on clearance for 8 dollars. Awesome figures, but an odd choice to start a line with. Fair on WM3. But again, it needed a knockout punch alongside it. This guy arguing with me thinks it was all about price and had nothing to do with the roster. Gtfo. Those trash sets still warmed after after being clearanced. I think you’re both kind of right, in a way. I mean if you’re going to have a 4 figure set, the Horsemen makes sense to me. Maybe they over produced it though. |
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Post by gentlemanjohnny on Jul 25, 2022 14:32:53 GMT -5
I think you’re both kind of right, in a way. I mean if you’re going to have a 4 figure set, the Horsemen makes sense to me. Maybe they over produced it though. I’m not saying they NEVER deserved a spot down line. But the opening lineup on a new elite multipack when up to that point… anything containing more than one elite had failed… you would think they would have been smarter. Who tf gives a shyt about the Four Horsemen? Yes they were big at the time. But they’re not transcendent talent that resonates with every generation like Hogan, Bret, Shawn, Sting, Undertaker etc. The Jim Cornettes of the world will boast about how their wrasslin’ was the best of its time. Um okay. They’re not moving merch now so who gives af? The biggest reactions from SDCC came from… you guessed it… Hogan, Bret, Warrior, Savage, etc. Shawn is the hottest Ultimate right now. That’s reality. Again, not saying they don’t ever deserve a spot. But 1st series in a risky set was a bad idea. Plain and simple. I laughed at the wrasslin’ line. I agree with you, I’m just trying to say that… damn you’re right, they shouldn’t have opened a line with wrasslers lol. It’s blood soaked wrasslin pal! |
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