TWJT
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Post by TWJT on Nov 23, 2022 12:30:03 GMT -5
To us as viewers, a quick RAW is really nothing. Quickly turn the TV to USA, watch a match, switch back to something else.
But for the production crew, every single RAW ever...is literally a big production. All, however many - something like 1,500 episodes or so . 20 or so ring trucks, a team to set up the lighting, stage, ring, floor, backstage area, etc.
It's just amazing to think that, if you go back and read all of say, Randy Orton's matches in his 20 years in WWE - even house shows - there was a huge production crew and set-up for every single show that featured just one of his five bazillion matches. Even random Heat matches from 1999, there was a production crew for every single show.
What things about WWE still astonish you, even after watching for all of these years?
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Teddy Bearburg
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Post by Teddy Bearburg on Nov 23, 2022 15:12:50 GMT -5
Really, the athleticism and moves. As a wrestling fan you can get numb to it because you see it hours on end every week. But the fact that these people go out there and put their bodies on the line to entertain, it's unreal. The Raw crowds have been dead for the past two months and it's a shame because there are people flying over all the ropes to the outside and it gets no reaction. Like, no one else in that building could jump that high, but they don't even do a pity clap.
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Zincdust
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Post by Zincdust on Nov 23, 2022 16:07:19 GMT -5
Every time I go to a live show, when I step through the curtain between the entry area and the arena area, and see that ring... Hoo boy, I feel like 15-year-old me once again, seeing a ring live and in-person for the first time back in February of '88. I've been to dozens of live shows since then, and it seriously blows me away every time.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Nov 23, 2022 16:23:15 GMT -5
The concrete floor bump in an Orton vs Benoit match from Smackdown in 2005
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Post by ¡Twist Of Cinnamon! on Nov 24, 2022 1:38:56 GMT -5
Definitely the production. Even an episode of Raw feels like a massive event. Their production is really second to none.
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Post by LK3 on Nov 24, 2022 3:04:21 GMT -5
Really, the athleticism and moves. As a wrestling fan you can get numb to it because you see it hours on end every week. But the fact that these people go out there and put their bodies on the line to entertain, it's unreal. The Raw crowds have been dead for the past two months and it's a shame because there are people flying over all the ropes to the outside and it gets no reaction. Like, no one else in that building could jump that high, but they don't even do a pity clap. I'm glad a crowd like that wasn't at Full Gear to sit on their hands for The Elite vs. Death Triangle. The Bucks are always amazing with their high flying moves, but it's so much more satisfying seeing it in person.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Nov 24, 2022 12:55:06 GMT -5
How old man McMahon sabotaged his own product for so long
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Post by Scott! on Nov 24, 2022 12:56:07 GMT -5
As you get older and go to shows, it still feels like I'm that 8 year old kid at my first ever show when I walk in and see the ring set up. That rush of nostalgia/excitement and joy really hits you hard.
One of the things that still amazes me from a personal point too is the staying power wrestling has in your life. I've been watching for 22 years and at no point have I ever said "screw this, I'm done". Bored? Watch old wrestling. Monday night at 1am? Watch Raw. Sundays once a month? Watch a PPV. It's been that way since I was 7 pretty much. (well maybe not the 1am starts for Raw until I was 12 tbh)
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kinnikuman
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Post by kinnikuman on Nov 24, 2022 14:16:40 GMT -5
That people still bring their signs, and that some people are SO far back their sign will never show up on camera. Plus they block people behind them from seeing. But it's better than the Attitude Era when there was like 5000 signs.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Nov 24, 2022 16:57:48 GMT -5
That people still bring their signs, and that some people are SO far back their sign will never show up on camera. Plus they block people behind them from seeing. But it's better than the Attitude Era when there was like 5000 signs. On screen an arena full of signs looked epic but looking back I felt sorry for people sitting behind.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Nov 24, 2022 17:02:42 GMT -5
I feel at times we don't appreciate the work that's involved in WWE.
The wrestlers risk their lives to entertain fans.
The ring and stage has to be taken down and rebuilt at each arena.
The production crew have to coordinate different cameras, entrance music, videos etc.
To think all this is done 3 times a week is amazing.
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Post by The American Daydream on Nov 24, 2022 23:35:56 GMT -5
The lack of fan reaction and signs in the arena. There should be a sea of roaring fans, hilarious signs, foam fingers and other merch. Attitude Era was so goated. Everything got a reaction in that golden era of wrestling. Sadly that will never return and that astonishes me.
The lack of home grown superstars astonishes me. The lack of promo ability and charisma in majority of the roster astonishes me, across all promotions. How do you grow up LOVING the product but can't talk on the mic? How do you have a handful of people who came before you, that inspired you to pull from creatively in your promos and in-ring work and still not be able to work on the mic? Anybody who thinks in-ring ability is more important than good mic skills and charisma has never seen MJF, The Rock, Paul Heyman, Logan Paul or Hogan. The lack of story telling is astonishing. A wrestling match with no story is just choreographed athletic showmanship, a circus act if you will. That astonishes me and that's why a lot of people don't care anymore. Not enough good larger than life characters to make them FEEL something.
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Post by k5 on Nov 25, 2022 4:31:04 GMT -5
How do you grow up LOVING the product but can't talk on the mic? How do you have a handful of people who came before you, that inspired you to pull from creatively in your promos and in-ring work and still not be able to work on the mic? great point. wrestling as a whole currently lacks big time talkers - people who can make you emotionally invested through character portrayal.
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Post by CM Tusk on Nov 25, 2022 9:44:18 GMT -5
Lack of epic facial hair. Pro wrestling was built off dudes with wild mustaches and beards. Why doesn’t that Steiner boy have a nice thicc stache?!
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Teddy Bearburg
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Post by Teddy Bearburg on Nov 26, 2022 16:14:21 GMT -5
The lack of fan reaction and signs in the arena. There should be a sea of roaring fans, hilarious signs, foam fingers and other merch. Attitude Era was so goated. Everything got a reaction in that golden era of wrestling. Sadly that will never return and that astonishes me. The lack of home grown superstars astonishes me. The lack of promo ability and charisma in majority of the roster astonishes me, across all promotions. How do you grow up LOVING the product but can't talk on the mic? How do you have a handful of people who came before you, that inspired you to pull from creatively in your promos and in-ring work and still not be able to work on the mic? Anybody who thinks in-ring ability is more important than good mic skills and charisma has never seen MJF, The Rock, Paul Heyman, Logan Paul or Hogan. The lack of story telling is astonishing. A wrestling match with no story is just choreographed athletic showmanship, a circus act if you will. That astonishes me and that's why a lot of people don't care anymore. Not enough good larger than life characters to make them FEEL something. I went to SD two weeks ago. It was CRAZY quiet! To have that many thousands of people in an arena watching a show they apparently care enough about to go see live, and you could hear a pin drop. It's crazy!
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Nov 26, 2022 16:46:05 GMT -5
The lack of fan reaction and signs in the arena. There should be a sea of roaring fans, hilarious signs, foam fingers and other merch. Attitude Era was so goated. Everything got a reaction in that golden era of wrestling. Sadly that will never return and that astonishes me. The lack of home grown superstars astonishes me. The lack of promo ability and charisma in majority of the roster astonishes me, across all promotions. How do you grow up LOVING the product but can't talk on the mic? How do you have a handful of people who came before you, that inspired you to pull from creatively in your promos and in-ring work and still not be able to work on the mic? Anybody who thinks in-ring ability is more important than good mic skills and charisma has never seen MJF, The Rock, Paul Heyman, Logan Paul or Hogan. The lack of story telling is astonishing. A wrestling match with no story is just choreographed athletic showmanship, a circus act if you will. That astonishes me and that's why a lot of people don't care anymore. Not enough good larger than life characters to make them FEEL something. Wrestling is a story within itself. You need a reason for fans to care and invest in the product. Why should I care about x and y person? How does he/she make the crowd feel? I've felt like the product has been bad for years. I tune in and watch mostly highlights of guys I like and occasionally tune in here with the live PPV/Raw/Smackdown threads. I barely know the roster because the only people I care for are Roman, Seth Rollies, Rey, Bray Wyatt, Edge, Bobby Lashley, Lesnar (although, he gets a bit boring at times) and Mustafa. I think the roster is too generic looking and we need more personalities. I think Triple H is fixing things, we're getting storylines and what not, but wrestling is at an all time low. It's good to have competition like AEW. I remember people who didn't care about wrestling talking about wrestling when I was younger. People knew the likes of Austin, The Rock, Kurt Angle, The Undertaker, Mick Foley, Sting, Goldberg, RVD to name a few. Bring back unique PPV sets and get rid of the EDM festival stage. Are fans able to bring signs? The matches at one point were so predictable that every Raw consisted of a roll up pin to save whatever wrestler was getting a L. The spear spot near the barricade is overdone. There's a lot to list. I can't explain it, but everything seems too "happy/bright", we need some grittiness/edge. It doesn't have to be gore, but let some of these guys go off script or improvise. Maybe I'm getting old, that's probably it. I feel the same way about movies/music though in a sense. There's just something about about the 80's- early 2000's that's hard to replicate in terms of emotion and story. Earlier periods too, but you guys get my point.
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Post by The American Daydream on Nov 26, 2022 20:04:38 GMT -5
I don't want to quote you bc I'm on mobile and don't want to flood the thread with our lengthy replies but I completely agree. I think it's heading in a better direction as well.
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Post by BSR on Nov 28, 2022 7:34:26 GMT -5
That a terrible wrestler who never drew one dime besides once in 02 is running it because he boned some dudes daughter.
And his idiot buddy is running the b show.
Jesus Christ.
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