Rob7274
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Post by Rob7274 on Feb 5, 2023 7:14:43 GMT -5
I’ve been looking through a few of my figures and looking at the pictures of the new Razor Ramon defining moments….and came to the conclusion we need a new waist size.
There’s some wrestlers which have bigger frames and need proper representation
Using Razor for example I was looking at the pic of Razor on the back of the defining moments box and when comparing it to the figure they have actually made Razor smaller.
Even his chest is too small.
A lot of collectors like the wrestlers in figure form to be them in there best and most accurate form.
Guys like JBL and Drew McIntyre could really do with a slightly wider torso.
I don’t understand why more collectors don’t make a big deal about it.
We can create a fuss over Hulks tan but not something that makes the figures feel so out of scale?
Just look how good the Hulk Defining moments and elites (before 90s representation) look….then compare to those hulks after 93s…
It’s not like the torsos would be a one and done either as there’s quite a few figures who can use it.
The last Cesaro released seemed to have a bigger lower waist but it had an average size upper torso which made the figure look dreadful.
No Wrestler where pants that out widen them.
I’ve wanted this change for the longest time (years) now but it doesn’t seem to be changing anytime soon.
So many guys have needed the whole torso to be wider but we seem to only have a lower torso and then MDT just Chuck a normal sized upper on it and call it a day.
MDT made unique sculpts for one release but can’t sort this.
It’s really holding so many figures back
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Post by Mr. #1derful 🇵🇸 on Feb 5, 2023 11:05:29 GMT -5
Does the UE Razor really share the same torso at AJ Styles? He should be using the Flair/Austin chest at the very least.
JBL/Bradshaw should be on the Hogan sized body with smaller arms and mid-length boots.
I don't mind them using the same sized waists for most people. The Warrior/Triple H/McIntyre torso has always looked too tapered in the waist, though. You can have a broad torso with the same sized waist; just look at the unique upper bodies for Cena and Batista.
The baby thighs they love using on short wrestlers like Daniel Bryan & Ilja Dragonov and female Elites like Natalya & Bianca Belair are bigger annoyances in my book.
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Post by newgenandy on Feb 5, 2023 11:44:24 GMT -5
Collectors complain about enough as it is for mass produced toys.
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Post by coldblooded on Feb 5, 2023 12:36:28 GMT -5
I mean, have you seen jakks figures? Toy biz? These are but minor inconveniences imho.
Mattel has got the best aesthetic of wrestling action figures PERIOD, little things like that don't bother me considering where we came from.
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Post by newgenandy on Feb 5, 2023 12:56:35 GMT -5
I mean, have you seen jakks figures? Toy biz? These are but minor inconveniences imho. Mattel has got the best aesthetic of wrestling action figures PERIOD, little things like that don't bother me considering where we came from. The things mattel gets hammered on which other companies snd fandoms get huge passes from amazes me Just look at the state of the super 7 andre! |
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Post by coldblooded on Feb 5, 2023 13:06:53 GMT -5
I mean, have you seen jakks figures? Toy biz? These are but minor inconveniences imho. Mattel has got the best aesthetic of wrestling action figures PERIOD, little things like that don't bother me considering where we came from. The things mattel gets hammered on which other companies snd fandoms get huge passes from amazes me Just look at the state of the super 7 andre! And that's supposed to be a "Premium collector" line too |
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Feb 5, 2023 15:22:29 GMT -5
I could see where you're coming from. I'm not sure how some figures get the ok from the protos/samples and then they end up with these weird body proportions. Some examples include, Rhyno's baboon arms, Hulk Hogan's Beetlejuice torso, UE Undertaker's hourglass waist, Surfer Sting's gorilla torso and chicken legs. I love Mattel and they have made the best wrestling figures PERIOD, but some of the decisions on some of these figures really make me scratch my head. How do you go from making some really awesome figures, to some Frankenstein style creations? I understand a few hiccups here and there, but when the average collector or person could point out these flaws then something is wrong. We also know Mattel also has some problems with color accuracy too. I think the figures being a little too thin is more important though. We need more body parts for the UE line. It's Mattel's cream of the crop and at this point with prices rising up, so should quality.
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Post by newgenandy on Feb 5, 2023 15:28:15 GMT -5
I could see where you're coming from. I'm not sure how some figures get the ok from the protos/samples and then they end up with these weird body proportions. Some examples include, Rhyno's baboon arms, Hulk Hogan's Beetlejuice torso, UE Undertaker's hourglass waist, Surfer Sting's gorilla torso and chicken legs. I love Mattel and they have made the best wrestling figures PERIOD, but some of the decisions on some of these figures really make me scratch my head. How do you go from making some really awesome figures, to some Frankenstein style creations? I understand a few hiccups here and there, but when the average collector or person could point out these flaws then something is wrong. We also know Mattel also has some problems with color accuracy too. I think the figures being a little too thin is more important though. We need more body parts for the UE line. It's Mattel's cream of the crop and at this point with prices rising up, so should quality. I’m a big fan snd defender of mattel because I think 99% of what they do for the cost they charge is great. That rhyno though, wow no defending that. Now if everything people complained about was that bad I’d say fair enough but it’s often very minor. |
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Feb 5, 2023 15:53:07 GMT -5
I could see where you're coming from. I'm not sure how some figures get the ok from the protos/samples and then they end up with these weird body proportions. Some examples include, Rhyno's baboon arms, Hulk Hogan's Beetlejuice torso, UE Undertaker's hourglass waist, Surfer Sting's gorilla torso and chicken legs. I love Mattel and they have made the best wrestling figures PERIOD, but some of the decisions on some of these figures really make me scratch my head. How do you go from making some really awesome figures, to some Frankenstein style creations? I understand a few hiccups here and there, but when the average collector or person could point out these flaws then something is wrong. We also know Mattel also has some problems with color accuracy too. I think the figures being a little too thin is more important though. We need more body parts for the UE line. It's Mattel's cream of the crop and at this point with prices rising up, so should quality. I’m a big fan snd defender of mattel because I think 99% of what they do for the cost they charge is great. That rhyno though, wow no defending that. Now if everything people complained about was that bad I’d say fair enough but it’s often very minor. I love Mattel's work and I'm not complaining about their prices, but their decision making at times. Remember that Legends Acolytes Bradshaw we got? There were better part choices and the final result we got was a malnourished Bradshaw with a bobblehead. I used to love fixing figures, but I'm not sure how I could fix this one without having to find the proper parts and completely repainting it. How does stuff like this happen? Mattel has the Kane torso, they've got the Austin torso. Two better choices imo. Now, I only really collect Mattel WWE figures (elites/UE) primarily. Basics used to be good during the intial launch and now they're really just statues with the bare minimum paintjob. The only other figures in this price point I was collecting were Hasbro's Marvel Legends which I heavily criticized for reusing the same mold for every other character and the plastic feeling cheap. I don't get why anyone would think Hasbro would make better figures than Mattel if they lost the WWE license. Other lines I was collecting now and then were Mafex, Mezco and Figuarts which are little more higher end. |
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Feb 5, 2023 16:36:09 GMT -5
Taller guys like Undertaker, Kane, and Nash would benefit from another wider waist mold.
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Post by The Madness on Feb 5, 2023 20:18:12 GMT -5
I mean, have you seen jakks figures? Toy biz? These are but minor inconveniences imho. Mattel has got the best aesthetic of wrestling action figures PERIOD, little things like that don't bother me considering where we came from. The things mattel gets hammered on which other companies snd fandoms get huge passes from amazes me Just look at the state of the super 7 andre! A lot more collectors care about the Mattel WWE line than Super7’s Andres. |
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Post by newgenandy on Feb 6, 2023 1:35:54 GMT -5
The things mattel gets hammered on which other companies snd fandoms get huge passes from amazes me Just look at the state of the super 7 andre! A lot more collectors care about the Mattel WWE line than Super7’s Andres. Maybe they should start collecting an actual collectors line like hot toys, storm or similar then rather than mass produced toys if they’re gonna cry at such small things |
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Post by tenup on Feb 6, 2023 2:24:01 GMT -5
I find the female figures tend to lack proportions
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Post by sandeep on Feb 6, 2023 9:41:40 GMT -5
Well that tiny waist on taker with tiny torso looks hilarious 😂 taker was actually has wider upper body than lower body but his action figures are completely opposite.
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Post by Rob7274 on Feb 7, 2023 21:34:38 GMT -5
I don’t understand the excuse of “there mass produced”
The Super7 Andre was a disgrace and I wouldn’t have paid a £5 for it.
The reason I collect Mattel WWE figures is Mattel stepped up the game.
They have continued to do so but there’s some aspects and decisions that are suck at the beginning of the line and even then were not liked.
I mention this here in hopes it will be seen by someone who can make a change for the better happen.
Didn’t Zack Ryder mention when the 1st Razor Ramon came out he was too small in the waist but he still has the same Elite body…Guess we/I have little chance of making change but it’s still possible.
The thing is this decision to leave it as it is confuses me.
There’s so many 1 and done mold’s but a few wider ones in both Elite and Ultimate would get so much reuse.
Even if it was just Scott Hall (which it wouldn’t be) you could get so many colours for Razor and revamp the outsiders and NWO versions (probably need new headsculpts unless you use the Ultimates)
In many ways I have been blown away by the detail and realism of some of the figures released last year and even thinking back to 1st year like Kamala hold up today.
But there’s just a few mistakes which continually get repeated which could be fixed and are ignored.
We should mention this when it happens incase the MDT haven’t realised yet.
(Like with the barefoot big men using Kamala’s lower legs making everyone 6’8 scale wise)
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Rob7274
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Post by Rob7274 on Feb 7, 2023 21:35:46 GMT -5
I find the female figures tend to lack proportions You can tell when they do them right. It makes such a different and they feel more sturdy in the hand also. |
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Post by poindizzle on Feb 8, 2023 7:33:13 GMT -5
I think probably over half the Mattel figures are too thin to accurately represent the person but then don't actually look bad and still maintain a scale so people give it a pass. I certainly do. Daniel Bryan having those skinny little thighs and torso aren't accurate all but he's smaller than the other figures in height and build and that can honestly negate the fact he's stout because at least it isn't like the AEW line where his newest figure is taller than Wardlow.
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Post by Figure Nova on Feb 10, 2023 11:29:38 GMT -5
I did notice on the Faarooq Asad Elite that he looks strange with the tiny waist and long slim legs. Faarooq was a thick, heavy dude with tree trunk legs but his figure is way too thin.
Ditto the upcoming Headshrinker Fatu figure. His ass and legs were never that thin, he wasn’t no damn AJ Styles 😂
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Feb 10, 2023 12:59:29 GMT -5
They need a flabby old man/dad bod torso. Something like that Sheik/Duggan torso but not as thick
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Post by coldblooded on Feb 10, 2023 13:06:31 GMT -5
So, this goes back to the video games. It's never going to be as accurate as it needs to be, as the toys and video games usually tend to make the star look better than their real life counterpart.
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