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Post by Eric on May 6, 2023 21:07:01 GMT -5
I don't understand the thinking that Raw would have sold better than WCW. Or rather, I don't understand some of the reasons presented.
WCW is gone, but so is the Attitude Era, Ruthless Agression, New Gen, etc.
They're both 20+ years old. WWE/Raw is still around, but not that iteration. Fans come and go, and WCW was crazy popular back then to boot.
To me they're really similar (time period, fandom, age, interest).
We're all just speculating, so this is just more of that. With my point stated, I'd like to see Mattel offer the Raw is War stage next year and get proven wrong by people pushing it over the line.
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Post by YeehawMan on May 6, 2023 21:45:22 GMT -5
Wonder if we’ll ever find out who backed 250 of these at a time, a few days ago
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Post by YeehawMan on May 6, 2023 21:46:39 GMT -5
I don't understand the thinking that Raw would have sold better than WCW. Or rather, I don't understand some of the reasons presented. WCW is gone, but so is the Attitude Era, Ruthless Agression, New Gen, etc. They're both 20+ years old. WWE/Raw is still around, but not that iteration. Fans come and go, and WCW was crazy popular back then to boot. To me they're really similar (time period, fandom, age, interest). We're all just speculating, so this is just more of that. With my point stated, I'd like to see Mattel offer the Raw is War stage next year and get proven wrong by people pushing it over the line. WCW’s fanbase died when WCW died, they just stopped watching wrestling all together
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Post by HothHan on May 6, 2023 22:16:32 GMT -5
Wonder if we’ll ever find out who backed 250 of these at a time, a few days ago Someone from parts unknown
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Post by RuthlessFigs on May 6, 2023 23:50:14 GMT -5
Wonder if we’ll ever find out who backed 250 of these at a time, a few days ago Definitely Truck Driving Buddy.
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Post by Figure Nova on May 6, 2023 23:51:39 GMT -5
Wonder if we’ll ever find out who backed 250 of these at a time, a few days ago Someone from parts unknown MidCardona?
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Post by Figure Nova on May 6, 2023 23:55:51 GMT -5
The figures were crap. Too many Reys on the market right now and only a completist would go out of his way to get yet another one. DDP has been released in similar forms before. Hogan is very similar to the Legends 18 release that just hit.
So that leaves Steiner and Warrior. Clearly they weren’t enough.
I truly think the first unlock bonus should’ve been the announce desk with exclusive Bischoff and Heenan.
Make the next level the Outsiders in street/debut gear.
Then throw in Steiner and you got a stew going.
Nothing in this set was “must have”, and the market has spoken.
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Post by deskjet on May 7, 2023 0:00:47 GMT -5
Saw a video of someone saying the figures were already accounted for with the $400 price point so they shoulda been included which is what I suspected.
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on May 7, 2023 0:05:11 GMT -5
I don't understand the thinking that Raw would have sold better than WCW. Or rather, I don't understand some of the reasons presented. WCW is gone, but so is the Attitude Era, Ruthless Agression, New Gen, etc. They're both 20+ years old. WWE/Raw is still around, but not that iteration. Fans come and go, and WCW was crazy popular back then to boot. To me they're really similar (time period, fandom, age, interest). We're all just speculating, so this is just more of that. With my point stated, I'd like to see Mattel offer the Raw is War stage next year and get proven wrong by people pushing it over the line. WCW’s fanbase died when WCW died, they just stopped watching wrestling all together That's true regarding the WCW fanbase basically moving on after WCW's demise. Once the WWF Attitude era ended at the end of Wrestlemania X7 that was it for us Attitude era fans too. I watched the WWE product until Wrestlemania 20 when I stopped altogether after that PPV. There's still plenty of lapsed WWFE fans out their that would back the Raw Is War stage but if that doesn't come to fruition so be it. I just want my Attitude Era mid card talent like Val Venis, Gangrel, Mideon, Steve Blackman, and Hardcore Holly to name a few.
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Post by crush on May 7, 2023 0:05:14 GMT -5
Hot(?) take: Neither the Raw stage or the Smackdown first would have come close to hitting 11,000, and frankly would have had trouble being funded at 5,000 as well.
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Post by jfinnomore on May 7, 2023 1:47:51 GMT -5
Hot(?) take: Neither the Raw stage or the Smackdown first would have come close to hitting 11,000, and frankly would have had trouble being funded at 5,000 as well. Sure would specially if Taka Michinoku was the first tier and the Early Bird was a The Rock figure. Amd at 7000 we could unlock Triple H and after that An Undertaker. aka the figures sucked on this thats why it failed
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Post by The Assassin on May 7, 2023 2:26:23 GMT -5
That's weird, the crowdfund page progress bar and "not funded" label have been removed again. I'm sure it means nothing but why would they do that, I get why it disappeared for a while after the deadline passed (presumably to make the final tally and double check) but they only just added it back to the page yesterday.
Maybe they've been told to downplay it's failure so it's less obvious to non-fans who weren't following it.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on May 7, 2023 2:47:38 GMT -5
End of heartache
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Post by CMW Toys on May 7, 2023 2:58:52 GMT -5
Saw a video of someone saying the figures were already accounted for with the $400 price point so they shoulda been included which is what I suspected. Source? I mean... anyone can say anything on a video but doesn't make it true.
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Post by SteveHulk on May 7, 2023 3:05:30 GMT -5
Hot(?) take: Neither the Raw stage or the Smackdown first would have come close to hitting 11,000, and frankly would have had trouble being funded at 5,000 as well. I don't think they would have been funded either... along with ALL the other issues, these things are just too big and expensive (...seriously, have you seen the size of the Raw one!? It's ridiculous). People are saying the failure of the Nitro stage sucks because we won't get any more similar items? Not really. I mean, it won't matter to me... it probably won't matter to most collectors (less than 4K backers worldwide kind of proves that). The market just isn't there (or big enough). Bottom line: forget these huge stages/things - and give us something like some nice UE figure boxsets instead 😎.
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Post by Xæro #FakeCollector on May 7, 2023 4:07:47 GMT -5
Saw a video of someone saying the figures were already accounted for with the $400 price point so they shoulda been included which is what I suspected. Source? I mean... anyone can say anything on a video but doesn't make it true. Never let the truth get in the way of a good story
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Post by elvisfan1 on May 7, 2023 4:24:39 GMT -5
There's a weird narrative that's happened overnight about the size of this thing now being an issue. That's what was so good about it. It was scaled properly for once. There's nothing worse than crappy cardboard stages / backdrops (AEW Stage anyone?) and those little action rings that just make the figures look ridiculous. It's not the reason this thing failed and if they start making out of scale things as a crowdfunder then we really are on to a loser.
Rubbish figures, International rip offs and a lack of value. That's it. That's why this failed.
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Post by originalniceguy on May 7, 2023 5:35:44 GMT -5
Source? I mean... anyone can say anything on a video but doesn't make it true. Never let the truth get in the way of a good story It was actually AFA on a podcast but I think he was moreso saying the figures are free at that price point. Can't remember the quote verbatim.
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Post by newgenandy on May 7, 2023 5:54:51 GMT -5
If mattel want to consider crowdfunding imo a change is needed to the thinking and psychology behind it.
Both crowdfunds were supposed to be the big items (ring and entrance for the first, then entrance for the second) and the figures were ‘bonus’
But on the whole (and yes there’s exceptions) people view the figures as the pull and the bigger / display item as a bonus.
Look at it this was - a ring people are not interested in with 5 figures people massively want will fund. A ring people want with figures people don’t wouldn’t.
They need the figures to pull people in - and tbf that was clear from the last crowdfund which only hit due to the ad budget being scrapped and macho added. I said before this was launched its success depends on the figures and unfortunately there wasn’t enough pull on the figures to get this done.
If they won’t crowdfund figures by themselves they still need to make the figures desirable enough to be the worm on the hook to catch the fish
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Post by The Assassin on May 7, 2023 6:19:56 GMT -5
There's a weird narrative that's happened overnight about the size of this thing now being an issue. That's what was so good about it. It was scaled properly for once. There's nothing worse than crappy cardboard stages / backdrops (AEW Stage anyone?) and those little action rings that just make the figures look ridiculous. It's not the reason this thing failed and if they start making out of scale things as a crowdfunder then we really are on to a loser. Rubbish figures, International rip offs and a lack of value. That's it. That's why this failed. I agree, being made to correct figure scale was one of the most important things to me. So many toy companies, even when making so-called collector pieces, awkwardly shrink the scale to make it cheaper and it's so disappointing and frustrating. I say do it right. Mattel designing it with removeable sections/adjustable configuration was a great idea to help people with limited space. I 100% would NOT have backed this if the scale was shrunken down and inaccurate. The opposite is also true in that I am not happy with the upcoming WCW ring being too big. WCW rings were 18x18 feet, not 20x20 feet like WWE rings, and for someone who grew up with WCW, a 20x20 scale ring will never feel right. I know AFA said they can't justify the tooling cost to make a WCW specific ring and I do appreciate the honesty, but that doesn't mean I'm satisfied or will give up wanting one.
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