jacobl18
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Post by jacobl18 on May 6, 2023 17:44:10 GMT -5
If they do the Raw is War stage next PLEASE Bill & Steve you have to work with WWE to get us Rare FTITL figures. The casual fan is not gonna drop $400+ on this. The people who backed this were HARDCORE niche fans. We don't want the same old figures that have already been released 10-20 times already. If yall do the Raw is War next id suggest instead of the normal boring ( Austin, Rock, Taker, HHH) figs you make them all stuff that would never see the light of day at any retailer. UE Mideon UE Gangral - If you can't use that name just call him "The Brood" on the packaging UE Sacrificed Stephanie UE Paul Bearer with brown hair Make one of the tiers the undertakers cross that you can hang Steph from that attaches to the stage. Remember this is not for retail so you dont need the A list wrestlers attached. Plus we already have Attitude era Taker and Kane UE released. Work with WWE to get them to sign more random guys. One of the reasons this failed was because they leaned on the "hardcore" fan without doing enough marketing to the more casual fan (or the pop culture collectors that branch out for interesting stuff that isn't necessarily their main focus)...and you are suggesting that they try to get a $400+ set out for Raw is War WITHOUT the heavy hitters like Austin and The Rock? Yea I'm sure the Corporate Ministry Raw is War set with Mideon will really light up the internet and grab those fringe backers that this campaign desperately needed... Lol We already have UE figs of Rock, Austin, Taker, Kane, HHH, HBK & Bret Hart from the attitude era. No casual is ever gonna drop $400+ no matter who the figures are. No niche hardcore collector is gonna drop $400+ on figures of wrestlers that have been released 20 times already. The whole point of Mattel creations is to find a way to get out product that wouldn't work in retail. So MC is 100% for the most hardcore collectors.
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hollywood4life
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Post by hollywood4life on May 6, 2023 17:58:41 GMT -5
I think they’re gonna do something to save it in the next day or two.. extend it or add alls the figures something…this is Mattel not Hasb
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Post by J-MANN on May 6, 2023 18:07:55 GMT -5
Do y’all really think Mattel is going to do something? If they are, they better hurry up because I’m about to spend this money elsewhere.
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Post by MKSavage on May 6, 2023 18:24:30 GMT -5
Shame this didn't get made, the stage was excellent and looked great. I hope the figures get released eventually as UE figures in MNW line (especially Warrior and Steiner). Maybe they could try it again in a few years with a different set of figures. If they do the Raw stage next, and that gets funded, that might help with the cost of this one - maybe it could bring down the cost some. If they try it again, they might want to figure out a better way for international buyers to back it without the custom charges upfront - if that's a possibility. Maybe don't go too far with the 11K backers, the New Generation Set got to about 8500, maybe that should be their max to plank for with future crowdfunds.
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Warriah'
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Post by Warriah' on May 6, 2023 18:31:17 GMT -5
Do y’all really think Mattel is going to do something? If they are, they better hurry up because I’m about to spend this money elsewhere. They’ve acknowledged the failure on the product page
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Post by Mongo Bears on May 6, 2023 18:44:40 GMT -5
Just as well…I’ve got an expensive overseas trip coming up in July anyways so it’ll be about $450 easier now
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thewrestlingdad
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Post by thewrestlingdad on May 6, 2023 18:47:36 GMT -5
Mattel, can we get the figures now? If not regular release @ $33/ea how about made to order like Logan Paul @ $45/ea? While from a financial standpoint that makes sense, I just don't see it happening because it would significantly weaken any future crowdfund. If people know that they don't have to back something because Mattel will just release those figures anyway then it greatly diminishes any leverage on their part to have these projects funded as intended. I think their lack of leverage has been exhibited here with the 78% funded but why does it matter whether it’s a crowdfund or not?
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Post by CM Tusk on May 6, 2023 18:51:17 GMT -5
Went ahead and just bought a Blink 182 ticket for tomorrow night in Chicago. With that, gas, hotel and food I’ll be spending about how much this would have cost me so I guess it all works out.
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Post by KingRichardSimmons on May 6, 2023 19:04:38 GMT -5
Mattel has pushed stuff through before that didn't get fully backed like those Matty Collector campaigns back in the day and those didn't even require you to foot the whole amount in the beginning but it was a different model in that you were subscribed, pre-paid for a chunk and then billed monthly for each figure (or quarterly to save you shipping a la pile of loot system). I would actually be onboard for a return to something like that as long as they promised us no weird surprises. I'd be up for a WCW era specific subscription or WWF/WWE era specific subscription but if they say it's New Gen, I want only New Gen, not Becky Lynch and Cody Rhodes thrown in there randomly. But yeah, first, before any new offerings, they need to figure out this "logistics" issue because Matty Collector also screwed us on shipping when they switched to Digital River making us pay basically the cost of the entire order in shipping costs + additional monies on arrival for duties and whatnot. To be honest, I did not back this. I was going to on the last day but then saw there was no chance it would get through and didn't feel like having $700 Canadian tied up to something I already felt kind of guilty about buying. I agree with everyone that this was advertised like crap and putting it on Smackdown on the last day was pointless.
Steve and Bill are amazing for putting together an awesome package in the stage but the figures were just OK to me. I know this is subjective as Rey and Scott Steiner were the main two I lit up for but even then, I didn't see the value in just getting those two alone. I don't blame Steve and Bill because I don't know how much power they hold in the advertising budget and the international shipping portion but someone crapped the bed on this for sure. They should have found a way to distribute this better. In this case, I don't think it's that hard to find a less expensive way to ship it, I think they just didn't think it was an important point of focus and it blew up in their faces. Another thing is that they kind of forget that international customers are already used to paying more for things and we would have been a huge chunk of the customer base helping fund this thing. No offense to our American friends but I hear constant whining that action figures cost too much at retail and even when they're discounted to $10, they're too expensive. Meanwhile, Canadian/International customers are paying 1.5x to 2x retail plus shipping sometimes to get those poorly distributed toys. Many American toy collectors are tight with their wallets either because they can't afford it which is fair enough or they think it's the 1980s and a 6 inch premium toy should cost $5 as they've been spoiled with getting heavily discounted figures with very reasonable access and distribution and as already mentioned by a mod here, wrestling toy collectors are some of the biggest cheapskates.
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Post by Flair Forever on May 6, 2023 19:06:01 GMT -5
Just because I'm not clear:
Does anyone think that this Crowd-Fund might have been more successful if they had not charged excessive fees for International buyers?
I feel like this hasn't really hasn't been talked about....
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Post by natureboyfauser on May 6, 2023 19:08:29 GMT -5
Once again ... Thank you Steve and Team. Great design. Everyone was going crazy when you showed it a few years ago! I am grateful that you gave us the opportunity. I know how much work went into it, from design to sculpting, to negotiating with the factory, developing the price point ... laying out the plan ... videos, interviews, and promotion all over the place ... social media, WWE, Hulk Hogan, Diamond Dallas Page ... making a pivot with Steiner that I thought would work.
I am really really disappointed because I wanted it ... BAD! I hope down the line, you would consider pieces of it accompanied with some WCW figures ... with a smaller price point ... to build the set over time. Once the set is built - the same model could be used with Raw. Anyway ... I really appreciate all you do and your team.
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Post by thep1 on May 6, 2023 19:22:38 GMT -5
Just because I'm not clear: Does anyone think that this Crowd-Fund might have been more successful if they had not charged excessive fees for International buyers? I feel like this hasn't really hasn't been talked about.... I can't answer that because I myself am unclear on if Hogan as the early-bird or DDP sans jeans made it unsuccessful... (Tongue is as firm in my cheek as yours is in your 💯 and 🤣 post)
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Post by venomeratt on May 6, 2023 19:27:30 GMT -5
Not surprised at all that this wasn't funded. The size of the set just isn't practical for a mass amount of people to jump on board. In addition to a bunch of boring Ultimates (proof is in the pudding now) and a high price point. Doomed from the start. Had they gone with the Attitude era stage (also too big and impractical but more sought after) and 3-5 more colorful and compelling Ultimates (Warrior in jeans, a boring Hogan and a bland allllllll white Steiner? No thanks!) I think they would have garnered more supporters. But thats the point of crowd funders and not mass producing something. They know its a niche product, large, expensive and highly detailed. Thats why this model of selling was created. To guage if theres enough fandom to shell out more than a normal amount for a collectable thats usually bigger/higher in detail, at a minimum number of units needing to be made via factory. It may have been doomed from the start for other reasons, but an expensive, large, highly detailed collectable is the exact reason crowd funding from large companies exist.
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Post by venomeratt on May 6, 2023 19:28:53 GMT -5
Here's the thing with price. I'm sure it's 400 itself like they said. All well and good. The thing though, is it did not need to be that big imo. It was too much crammed into to little IMHO. My guess is everyone would say it wasnt to scale and complain about it for 80 pages though. The community is ficcle.
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Post by coldblooded on May 6, 2023 19:32:45 GMT -5
Here's the thing with price. I'm sure it's 400 itself like they said. All well and good. The thing though, is it did not need to be that big imo. It was too much crammed into to little IMHO. My guess is everyone would say it wasnt to scale and complain about it for 80 pages though. The community is ficcle. It sure is
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Post by mcfclee on May 6, 2023 19:38:24 GMT -5
They just didn’t gauge the issues or overshot the interest from it being shown. There’s no one silver bullet sadly.
- Price point stopped some. - the figure collection came off as you’ll take anything we give you to get the stage when that was proven wrong last crowd fund and a desirable macho needed to be added with an announce table. Could Bischoff with an announce table have fixed this? Maybe. - international issues. - nitro not raw. - the tiers were not exciting. Even having ring skirts last time have added value at a cheap enough price. - lack of ring to match, or the thought of needing another $250 yo finish the set. Then you’ve spent what $650 and still don’t have the commentary area? - lack of advertising early enough.
There’s more, but I just think they missed the mark and lastly overestimated the willingness or ability of wrestling fans to spend big on a niche item.
I backed it early before anyone asks.
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Post by stinkfaceT on May 6, 2023 20:05:09 GMT -5
I think so nWo ring skirts and ring mat to go with the upcoming nitro ring would have helped for sure. Adding Bischoff would have been cool, but then requires a re work of the nitro ring package. Debut Rey makes sense as an entry level figure even if kinda bland. Maybe give Rey him the WCW cruiserweight belt, even with him not holding it in these tights/time but would have increased the interest. Then you could do announce table with Mongo if they got him signed(worth the effort over Pastamania, imo), or a Mean Gene, sign Michael Buffer to get a figure to complete ring and make people need the stage to get a more complete ring team, and that really could have worked. Iron Mike Tenay, or many other ideas that coulda added the MachoMan type spark for the WCW fan that will still get the ring, but any of these figures help make the stage more of a must have for more reasons/consumers.
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Post by cableV on May 6, 2023 20:38:14 GMT -5
I understand the argument that releasing these figures would set a bad precedent. However for some of the figures that were selected for this crowdfund, I don't think that should be a consideration.
This Hogan isn't even the Hogan figure they originally planned to give us and it's a version of Hogan we should already have. To me it's the definitive pre-nWo WCW Hogan and I don't know why they would want to mothball it?
Steiner seems to be the most wanted figure of the 5 and I think it's a potentially dumb move to delay any Steiner figure release. Hit all the Steiner Brother looks before something happens and one, or both of them, are no longer available.
If they want to sit on the Warrior for a couple years that's fine, but it would sell and the jeans tucked into the boots mold that would come from going into production on this figure could be used for other Superstars down the line.
So however they decide to do it, I would move forward with these figures as scheduled and release them. I think companies tend to make more money selling product than they do trying to teach their customers a lesson.
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ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝
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Post by ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝 on May 6, 2023 20:48:20 GMT -5
I feel like if this was the first crowdfunded project and the New Gen Arena was the second project, they both would have funded.
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Post by Generic Theme on May 6, 2023 20:57:34 GMT -5
Well, if anyone saved the backing from the Wolfpack Hogan set it makes for a decent Nitro stage background for the time being.
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