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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on May 8, 2023 15:16:52 GMT -5
Figs don’t need to be crowdfunded though. There’s no upfront costs that need to be secured before they can start production on action figures. That being said, a great majority of us aren’t MOC collectors and are just fine with getting a DX Army sold individually over multiple waves instead of one big box set. If you make it exclusive with 5 or more wrestlers it's crowdfundable IMO. I mean, we're already buying the CC 2 packs. What are we funding? There’s nothing about a 5 pack of figures that’s too high risk and too expensive that they need the consumer to fund it themselves before moving forward with production. They can just make it and sell it on Mattel Creations or do an open preorder.
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Post by The Assassin on May 8, 2023 15:18:34 GMT -5
There’s a TON of people who didn’t wanna see this backed and are enjoying the “tears” of the folks that supported it. I’m all for not wanting something but the folks(mainly on Facebook) celebrating the failure and rubbing it in are some weirdos. To each their own but weird is weird. I agree. And don't forget all those "super cool studs" posting on a wrestling figure forum, laughing at those members who actually care about wrestling figures and this project's failure. Obviously the latter didn't read the memo from the "popular people" dictating what everyone is allowed to care about this year. And if you have different interests or priorities then you're branded a loser nerd, an immature child, mentally unstable, etc - by the self-designated "mature adults", who are definetely not looking for any excuse to condescend and bully. LOL - I must have no girlfriend, no job, no friends, right?! Any of which would apparently mean bullying is allowed, according to much of society unfortunately. But don't worry if none of these things are true, bullies will always find something else (or someone else) to latch on to, and continue making people's lives a misery. NOTHING is an excuse for bullying. People here need to learn some respect and tolerance. Some of the recent posts here are disgraceful. To my fellow collectors who aren't promoting hate - sorry for the rant but this is a toy forum and some young people visiting may need to hear this kind of life advice.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on May 8, 2023 15:47:30 GMT -5
There’s a TON of people who didn’t wanna see this backed and are enjoying the “tears” of the folks that supported it. I’m all for not wanting something but the folks(mainly on Facebook) celebrating the failure and rubbing it in are some weirdos. To each their own but weird is weird. I agree. And don't forget all those "super cool studs" posting on a wrestling figure forum, laughing at those members who actually care about wrestling figures and this project's failure. Obviously the latter didn't read the memo from the "popular people" dictating what everyone is allowed to care about this year. And if you have different interests or priorities then you're branded a loser nerd, an immature child, mentally unstable, etc - by the self-designated "mature adults", who are definetely not looking for any excuse to condescend and bully. LOL - I must have no girlfriend, no job, no friends, right?! Any of which would apparently mean bullying is allowed, according to much of society unfortunately. But don't worry if none of these things are true, bullies will always find something else (or someone else) to latch on to, and continue making people's lives a misery. NOTHING is an excuse for bullying. People here need to learn some respect and tolerance. Some of the recent posts here are disgraceful. To my fellow collectors who aren't promoting hate - sorry for the rant but this is a toy forum and some young people visiting may need to hear this kind of life advice. It's an interesting turn of the tables from the early days of day-1 backers dragging those who weren't buying in for being broke, destitute losers who couldn't afford such nice things. Like sands through the hourglass...these are the days of our lives.
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Post by Xæro #FakeCollector on May 8, 2023 16:13:19 GMT -5
I agree. And don't forget all those "super cool studs" posting on a wrestling figure forum, laughing at those members who actually care about wrestling figures and this project's failure. Obviously the latter didn't read the memo from the "popular people" dictating what everyone is allowed to care about this year. And if you have different interests or priorities then you're branded a loser nerd, an immature child, mentally unstable, etc - by the self-designated "mature adults", who are definetely not looking for any excuse to condescend and bully. LOL - I must have no girlfriend, no job, no friends, right?! Any of which would apparently mean bullying is allowed, according to much of society unfortunately. But don't worry if none of these things are true, bullies will always find something else (or someone else) to latch on to, and continue making people's lives a misery. NOTHING is an excuse for bullying. People here need to learn some respect and tolerance. Some of the recent posts here are disgraceful. To my fellow collectors who aren't promoting hate - sorry for the rant but this is a toy forum and some young people visiting may need to hear this kind of life advice. It's an interesting turn of the tables from the early days of day-1 backers dragging those who weren't buying in for being broke, destitute losers who couldn't afford such nice things. Like sands through the hourglass...these are the days of our lives. Bruh you're not even a real collector.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on May 8, 2023 16:41:41 GMT -5
There’s a TON of people who didn’t wanna see this backed and are enjoying the “tears” of the folks that supported it. I’m all for not wanting something but the folks(mainly on Facebook) celebrating the failure and rubbing it in are some weirdos. To each their own but weird is weird. I agree. And don't forget all those "super cool studs" posting on a wrestling figure forum, laughing at those members who actually care about wrestling figures and this project's failure. Obviously the latter didn't read the memo from the "popular people" dictating what everyone is allowed to care about this year. And if you have different interests or priorities then you're branded a loser nerd, an immature child, mentally unstable, etc - by the self-designated "mature adults", who are definetely not looking for any excuse to condescend and bully. LOL - I must have no girlfriend, no job, no friends, right?! Any of which would apparently mean bullying is allowed, according to much of society unfortunately. But don't worry if none of these things are true, bullies will always find something else (or someone else) to latch on to, and continue making people's lives a misery. NOTHING is an excuse for bullying. People here need to learn some respect and tolerance. Some of the recent posts here are disgraceful. To my fellow collectors who aren't promoting hate - sorry for the rant but this is a toy forum and some young people visiting may need to hear this kind of life advice. I think the thread brought out the worst from both ends of the spectrum. Which was basically “back this or you’re poor” and “ this crowdfund and you” It certainly didn’t do the project any favors from a Wfigs standpoint and the think it just really shows that we all have different wants, budgets, reasonings, etc I don’t think I’m qualified to say who was really right or wrong but the thread basically turned into banter and while it was “fun” to some, it was annoying to others. And I’m fairly certain the goal was accomplished there as there’s no real reason to be that active in a thread otherwise. Also, I’d be genuinely curious to see how those antics would go in some of the more monitored boards around here. I just envision someone going into an AEW thread saying they don’t watch and don’t like the product but be sure to post 287 times about it. But maybe I’m just salty like whale splooge 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
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Post by stc13 on May 8, 2023 16:54:16 GMT -5
If you make it exclusive with 5 or more wrestlers it's crowdfundable IMO. I mean, we're already buying the CC 2 packs. What are we funding? There’s nothing about a 5 pack of figures that’s too high risk and too expensive that they need the consumer to fund it themselves before moving forward with production. They can just make it and sell it on Mattel Creations or do an open preorder. And why release a 5-pack when there are a LOT of avenues for them to release figures individually right now. Between main lines, store exclusives, and Mattel Creations, they already have a ton of slots for figures. And a decade into the line, there are only so many super-desirable figures left (or even remakes, for that matter). The entire point of crowd funded projects is to explore bigger, more expensive collector-oriented pieces that wouldn't fit at existing retailers. I don't get why people keep trying to force a square peg into a round hole to scale these projects to their personal collecting interests or budget. Why would I want to pay around $350 shipped for "crowd funded" figures when those same figures could easily slot into other lines at regular retail cost?
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Post by jlaf77 on May 8, 2023 16:59:04 GMT -5
I had a dream last night that i was trying to talk vince mcmahon into buying the remaining nitro stages lol man i really want this thing haha
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Post by aggressiveperfector on May 8, 2023 17:01:16 GMT -5
There’s a TON of people who didn’t wanna see this backed and are enjoying the “tears” of the folks that supported it. I’m all for not wanting something but the folks(mainly on Facebook) celebrating the failure and rubbing it in are some weirdos. To each their own but weird is weird. I agree. And don't forget all those "super cool studs" posting on a wrestling figure forum, laughing at those members who actually care about wrestling figures and this project's failure. Obviously the latter didn't read the memo from the "popular people" dictating what everyone is allowed to care about this year. And if you have different interests or priorities then you're branded a loser nerd, an immature child, mentally unstable, etc - by the self-designated "mature adults", who are definetely not looking for any excuse to condescend and bully. LOL - I must have no girlfriend, no job, no friends, right?! Any of which would apparently mean bullying is allowed, according to much of society unfortunately. But don't worry if none of these things are true, bullies will always find something else (or someone else) to latch on to, and continue making people's lives a misery. NOTHING is an excuse for bullying. People here need to learn some respect and tolerance. Some of the recent posts here are disgraceful. To my fellow collectors who aren't promoting hate - sorry for the rant but this is a toy forum and some young people visiting may need to hear this kind of life advice. What about those in the middle that said “I want this backed but it’s not the end of the world if it’s not. As a matter of fact, Mattel team could use that as a learning experience”?
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on May 8, 2023 17:04:08 GMT -5
What are we funding? There’s nothing about a 5 pack of figures that’s too high risk and too expensive that they need the consumer to fund it themselves before moving forward with production. They can just make it and sell it on Mattel Creations or do an open preorder. And why release a 5-pack when there are a LOT of avenues for them to release figures individually right now. Between main lines, store exclusives, and Mattel Creations, they already have a ton of slots for figures. And a decade into the line, there are only so many super-desirable figures left (or even remakes, for that matter). The entire point of crowd funded projects is to explore bigger, more expensive collector-oriented pieces that wouldn't fit at existing retailers. I don't get why people keep trying to force a square peg into a round hole to scale these projects to their personal collecting interests or budget. Why would I want to pay around $350 shipped for "crowd funded" figures when those same figures could easily slot into other lines at regular retail cost? Or be forced to buy 5 figures when you only want a portion of what’s being offered. Imagine if they bundled the crowdfund figs into a Best of WCW set the amount of complaints we’d hear.
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Post by rastlinfigures on May 8, 2023 17:04:32 GMT -5
There’s a TON of people who didn’t wanna see this backed and are enjoying the “tears” of the folks that supported it. I’m all for not wanting something but the folks(mainly on Facebook) celebrating the failure and rubbing it in are some weirdos. To each their own but weird is weird. I agree. And don't forget all those "super cool studs" posting on a wrestling figure forum, laughing at those members who actually care about wrestling figures and this project's failure. Obviously the latter didn't read the memo from the "popular people" dictating what everyone is allowed to care about this year. And if you have different interests or priorities then you're branded a loser nerd, an immature child, mentally unstable, etc - by the self-designated "mature adults", who are definetely not looking for any excuse to condescend and bully. LOL - I must have no girlfriend, no job, no friends, right?! Any of which would apparently mean bullying is allowed, according to much of society unfortunately. But don't worry if none of these things are true, bullies will always find something else (or someone else) to latch on to, and continue making people's lives a misery. NOTHING is an excuse for bullying. People here need to learn some respect and tolerance. Some of the recent posts here are disgraceful. To my fellow collectors who aren't promoting hate - sorry for the rant but this is a toy forum and some young people visiting may need to hear this kind of life advice. People, unfortunately, seem to behave weirdly (and poorly) when they have the partial anonymity of the internet. And it is even crazier that the behavior stretches to something as non-consequential as collector toys.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on May 8, 2023 17:10:55 GMT -5
I agree. And don't forget all those "super cool studs" posting on a wrestling figure forum, laughing at those members who actually care about wrestling figures and this project's failure. Obviously the latter didn't read the memo from the "popular people" dictating what everyone is allowed to care about this year. And if you have different interests or priorities then you're branded a loser nerd, an immature child, mentally unstable, etc - by the self-designated "mature adults", who are definetely not looking for any excuse to condescend and bully. LOL - I must have no girlfriend, no job, no friends, right?! Any of which would apparently mean bullying is allowed, according to much of society unfortunately. But don't worry if none of these things are true, bullies will always find something else (or someone else) to latch on to, and continue making people's lives a misery. NOTHING is an excuse for bullying. People here need to learn some respect and tolerance. Some of the recent posts here are disgraceful. To my fellow collectors who aren't promoting hate - sorry for the rant but this is a toy forum and some young people visiting may need to hear this kind of life advice. I think the thread brought out the worst from both ends of the spectrum. Which was basically “back this or you’re poor” and “ this crowdfund and you” It certainly didn’t do the project any favors from a Wfigs standpoint and the think it just really shows that we all have different wants, budgets, reasonings, etc I don’t think I’m qualified to say who was really right or wrong but the thread basically turned into banter and while it was “fun” to some, it was annoying to others. And I’m fairly certain the goal was accomplished there as there’s no real reason to be that active in a thread otherwise. Also, I’d be genuinely curious to see how those antics would go in some of the more monitored boards around here. I just envision someone going into an AEW thread saying they don’t watch and don’t like the product but be sure to post 287 times about it. But maybe I’m just salty like whale splooge 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ FWIW, I watch AEW way less than I watched WCW at its peak, but I still collect the figures. I don't know what people think "the goal" was, but if there's really this mentality that people like me who like to goof off and sh*t post on the boards while still maintaining an interest in the hobby were actively influential in this not making it to goal, I'd really consider a reassessment of who is here and what sort of influence they wield.
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Post by kinnikuman on May 8, 2023 17:12:09 GMT -5
If you make it exclusive with 5 or more wrestlers it's crowdfundable IMO. I mean, we're already buying the CC 2 packs. What are we funding? There’s nothing about a 5 pack of figures that’s too high risk and too expensive that they need the consumer to fund it themselves before moving forward with production. They can just make it and sell it on Mattel Creations or do an open preorder. Haslabs and MC have both had crowdfunds for figures. I'm not following your debate here. IMO a crowdfund, when it comes to Mattel and Hasbro, is simply a marketing gimmick. It's not something they need fans to help pay for. I personally feel that an exclusive set of figures would meet the number "needed" for production every time.
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Post by kinnikuman on May 8, 2023 17:19:14 GMT -5
What are we funding? There’s nothing about a 5 pack of figures that’s too high risk and too expensive that they need the consumer to fund it themselves before moving forward with production. They can just make it and sell it on Mattel Creations or do an open preorder. And why release a 5-pack when there are a LOT of avenues for them to release figures individually right now. Between main lines, store exclusives, and Mattel Creations, they already have a ton of slots for figures. And a decade into the line, there are only so many super-desirable figures left (or even remakes, for that matter). The entire point of crowd funded projects is to explore bigger, more expensive collector-oriented pieces that wouldn't fit at existing retailers. I don't get why people keep trying to force a square peg into a round hole to scale these projects to their personal collecting interests or budget. Why would I want to pay around $350 shipped for "crowd funded" figures when those same figures could easily slot into other lines at regular retail cost? The same can be said about the non crowdfunded items on MC and Hasbro Pulse. Why put these items on this "special" website? Just sell these regular items at retail. It's all a marketing gimmick for them. Put the WCW Nitro set at retail and those same # of people that backed it will buy it. I'm just arguing that IMO playsets aren't as popular as figures. So if they want to keep the crowdfund gimmick going, give people what they want most.
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Post by kinnikuman on May 8, 2023 17:20:39 GMT -5
And why release a 5-pack when there are a LOT of avenues for them to release figures individually right now. Between main lines, store exclusives, and Mattel Creations, they already have a ton of slots for figures. And a decade into the line, there are only so many super-desirable figures left (or even remakes, for that matter). The entire point of crowd funded projects is to explore bigger, more expensive collector-oriented pieces that wouldn't fit at existing retailers. I don't get why people keep trying to force a square peg into a round hole to scale these projects to their personal collecting interests or budget. Why would I want to pay around $350 shipped for "crowd funded" figures when those same figures could easily slot into other lines at regular retail cost? Or be forced to buy 5 figures when you only want a portion of what’s being offered. Imagine if they bundled the crowdfund figs into a Best of WCW set the amount of complaints we’d hear. Or being forced to buy a playset when all you want is Big Poppa Pump.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on May 8, 2023 17:21:23 GMT -5
What are we funding? There’s nothing about a 5 pack of figures that’s too high risk and too expensive that they need the consumer to fund it themselves before moving forward with production. They can just make it and sell it on Mattel Creations or do an open preorder. Haslabs and MC have both had crowdfunds for figures. I'm not following your debate here. IMO a crowdfund, when it comes to Mattel and Hasbro, is simply a marketing gimmick. It's not something they need fans to help pay for. I personally feel that an exclusive set of figures would meet the number "needed" for production every time. There has never been a crowdfund to my knowledge on just regular sized figures. Star Wars: Sail Barge, Rancor, Mando’s ship, that girl’s lightsaber. Marvel: Sentinel, Galactus, Ghost Rider’s Car. Ghostbusters proton pack. Cookie Monster puppet. GI Joe: Skystriker and Hiss Tank. Transformers Unicron. Mattel has done New Gen, Eternia, Pixar Cars garage, Castle Grayskull. When have they done just regular scale figures?
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on May 8, 2023 17:37:08 GMT -5
I think the thread brought out the worst from both ends of the spectrum. Which was basically “back this or you’re poor” and “ this crowdfund and you” It certainly didn’t do the project any favors from a Wfigs standpoint and the think it just really shows that we all have different wants, budgets, reasonings, etc I don’t think I’m qualified to say who was really right or wrong but the thread basically turned into banter and while it was “fun” to some, it was annoying to others. And I’m fairly certain the goal was accomplished there as there’s no real reason to be that active in a thread otherwise. Also, I’d be genuinely curious to see how those antics would go in some of the more monitored boards around here. I just envision someone going into an AEW thread saying they don’t watch and don’t like the product but be sure to post 287 times about it. But maybe I’m just salty like whale splooge 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ FWIW, I watch AEW way less than I watched WCW at its peak, but I still collect the figures. I don't know what people think "the goal" was, but if there's really this mentality that people like me who like to goof off and sh*t post on the boards while still maintaining an interest in the hobby were actively influential in this not making it to goal, I'd really consider a reassessment of who is here and what sort of influence they wield. It is what it is at this point. Opinions vary on everything to attire choices or which lines are worth collecting or what someone’s intent in a thread is.
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Post by Flair Forever on May 8, 2023 18:22:59 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think anyone on this board had anything to do with sinking the Nitro Crowdfund......
Equally not one single person here had any sort of power to save it; Thousands of fans spoke with their wallets, and not enough fans wanted to pay for it. It really is that simple.
Only people that could have saved it work for Mattel, and they can autopsy this thing for years to figure out where they went wrong.... at the end of the day, it's not our problem. It's Mattel's failure, and they won't sell a single Nitro set since they couldn't appeal to 5000 people.
So being that none of our opinions really mattered here and the project is a failure..... I again wonder what the "fun" or reason is for "sh*t-posting" about it literally hundreds of times, all day every day? I just don't get it. It's just juvenile and quite honestly - the frequent ridiculous posts about it come off as a plea for attention.
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Post by kirk815 on May 8, 2023 18:50:28 GMT -5
What are we funding? There’s nothing about a 5 pack of figures that’s too high risk and too expensive that they need the consumer to fund it themselves before moving forward with production. They can just make it and sell it on Mattel Creations or do an open preorder. And why release a 5-pack when there are a LOT of avenues for them to release figures individually right now. Between main lines, store exclusives, and Mattel Creations, they already have a ton of slots for figures. And a decade into the line, there are only so many super-desirable figures left (or even remakes, for that matter). The entire point of crowd funded projects is to explore bigger, more expensive collector-oriented pieces that wouldn't fit at existing retailers. I don't get why people keep trying to force a square peg into a round hole to scale these projects to their personal collecting interests or budget. Why would I want to pay around $350 shipped for "crowd funded" figures when those same figures could easily slot into other lines at regular retail cost? I think the people that just want figures are people that want UE versions of people that Mattel probably won't release ever or anytime soon. Take the coliseum collection for example, Steve has already mentioned that they want to use a main event anchor and there aren't that many. Since they seem hesitant, why not do 2 2-packs of people like Bruno Sammartino, Don Muraco, Cowboy Bob Orton, and Jimmy Hart for like $200 at 5K. If it hits 9-10K, add a third 2-pack of Harley Race/JYD. This way we get 6 figures that they might not release and more figures out so it doesn't take 20 years. Or same concept for other eras like New Gen. UEs of Tatanka, Lex Luger, 123 Kid, British Bulldog (with the correct cape) and add Vader/Bam Bam (purple flames) at 9-10K. I thought this was what they were going to do with the Target UE Legends, but those spots seem to only be for main event Legends.
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Post by AxelSmackdown on May 8, 2023 18:53:39 GMT -5
People are still accusing members who like to joke around on this forum as potential reasons for all the issues? Oh brother. Hahaha I mean the reason it didn’t get funded was because of all of the jokesters. Making jokes instead of making orders. Damn them wanna be comedians. faces!!
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Post by aggressiveperfector on May 8, 2023 19:09:54 GMT -5
People are still accusing members who like to joke around on this forum as potential reasons for all the issues? Oh brother. Hahaha I know, how dare someone try to infuse humor into something instead of doom and gloom right? I don’t know if you know this but to use an old saying…the internet is serious business!
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