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Post by jfinnomore on May 7, 2023 1:36:54 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't Ultimate Logan Paul and Ultimate Cody both Made to Order figures? Yeah but there's a big difference with figures that have newly tooled head and a few accessories vs. an entire entrance that requires all brand new tooling. The minimum order is required to cover the cost of tooling and make profit. I wasn't making the argument for the stage, I was making the argument for Made to Order figures, the stage was a flop nut both made to order were a hit. |
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Post by celflessness on May 7, 2023 5:00:29 GMT -5
Yeah but there's a big difference with figures that have newly tooled head and a few accessories vs. an entire entrance that requires all brand new tooling. The minimum order is required to cover the cost of tooling and make profit. I wasn't making the argument for the stage, I was making the argument for Made to Order figures, the stage was a flop nut both made to order were a hit. They sold well, but I wonder how much profit was made. Obviously, more than the WCW Nitro stage that didn't meet its goals, but if making single figures Made to Order was a profitable business model, surely we'd be seeing a lot more of them. My assumption (based mostly on board game kickstarters. I'd love to be wrong) is that shipping eats up most of the profits on single figures, and crowdfunding campaigns make more money when they sell big ticket items to a small number of people, than cheaper items to a medium number of people. |
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on May 7, 2023 6:20:45 GMT -5
Isn’t this effectively the same thing? There’s a minimum order requirement either way.
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Post by kirk815 on May 7, 2023 9:10:42 GMT -5
In one of the videos, Steve mentioned they have 2 spots this year set aside with MC for opportunities like Cody/Logan.
They are only go to use them for cases that make sense like Cody and Logan from last year. What I took from that is high profile/main eventers/mass appeal characters like Cody returning and a mass appeal "celebrity" that also happens to be a pretty good wrestler so far. So it's possible they won't even utilize them this year if it isn't someone they think will sell.
I don't think these made to order spots are going to go for UE of people like Papa Shango, Brutus Beefcake, Doink, Mankind, etc. So if people are voting made to order thinking we will get characters like that, I don't think that is going to happen.
It's going to be for people like Bad Bunny or Punk (if he returned), etc.
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Post by captncharisma19 on May 7, 2023 9:28:01 GMT -5
We can have both, no need to pick one.
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Post by stc13 on May 7, 2023 9:30:03 GMT -5
I really don't see the appeal/benefit of made to order figures. As others have said, these are still going to be top end stars because Mattel needs to hit minimum numbers and wants to maximize profit. And if that's the case, I'd much rather just pay $30 for them as a standard UE than the $50 or so that recall the Mattel Creations figures coming to.
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Post by stc13 on May 7, 2023 9:34:08 GMT -5
I wasn't making the argument for the stage, I was making the argument for Made to Order figures, the stage was a flop nut both made to order were a hit. They sold well, but I wonder how much profit was made. Obviously, more than the WCW Nitro stage that didn't meet its goals, but if making single figures Made to Order was a profitable business model, surely we'd be seeing a lot more of them. My assumption (based mostly on board game kickstarters. I'd love to be wrong) is that shipping eats up most of the profits on single figures, and crowdfunding campaigns make more money when they sell big ticket items to a small number of people, than cheaper items to a medium number of people. I'm sure they're profitable - Mattel basically cuts out the middleman and is keeping the full profits (aside from WWE's cut) vs a retailer pocketing that markup. But how often can you do that without burning bridges with your major retail partners? The large crowdfund items are things retailers can't/won't carry. Maybe I'm wrong. Hasbro has been doing a ton of direct to consumer over the last few year. |
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Post by Angel Beast on May 7, 2023 10:28:18 GMT -5
Myself and I know a few others have mentioned it as well that they’d be up for a subscription based thing for stages kinda like they do with models. Like the first part of the subscription I’d say the ramp the next is the based of the stage. After that the top of the stage and so on until the Entrance stage is completed. Have it set that you could pay monthly or pay the whole thing up front.
Mattel could use the crowdfunding for smaller things like a Funeral Parlor or Barbershop sets.
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Post by Flair Forever on May 8, 2023 15:09:47 GMT -5
They sold well, but I wonder how much profit was made. Obviously, more than the WCW Nitro stage that didn't meet its goals, but if making single figures Made to Order was a profitable business model, surely we'd be seeing a lot more of them. My assumption (based mostly on board game kickstarters. I'd love to be wrong) is that shipping eats up most of the profits on single figures, and crowdfunding campaigns make more money when they sell big ticket items to a small number of people, than cheaper items to a medium number of people. I'm sure they're profitable - Mattel basically cuts out the middleman and is keeping the full profits (aside from WWE's cut) vs a retailer pocketing that markup. But how often can you do that without burning bridges with your major retail partners? The large crowdfund items are things retailers can't/won't carry. Maybe I'm wrong. Hasbro has been doing a ton of direct to consumer over the last few year. What "retail partners" are you referring to? Walmart has plenty of exclusive products that it doesn't stock in stores or fulfill orders online.... you mean to tell me they would be angry with Mattel for selling product directly to consumers? LOL. |
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Post by crush on May 8, 2023 17:37:45 GMT -5
I really don't see the appeal/benefit of made to order figures. As others have said, these are still going to be top end stars because Mattel needs to hit minimum numbers and wants to maximize profit. And if that's the case, I'd much rather just pay $30 for them as a standard UE than the $50 or so that recall the Mattel Creations figures coming to. I think the appeal lies in the idea of being able to order something right at the zeitgeist moment it's happening. |
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Post by slapnutsworld on May 8, 2023 18:12:09 GMT -5
I know I started this tread/poll, BUT I was thinking about all of this and what do you guys think about cardboard diorama cutouts of Entrance stages and stuff?
I mean, like detailed cardboard diorama cutouts of Raw is War, Smackdown fist, In Your House, WCW Nitro, WCW Thunder, WCW bash at the beach 96, WCW Starrcade 97, ECW, etc.
That are in scale with our UE'S and Elite figures and the figures can stand on them and everything, as well as, being in scale with our New Gen ring, Raw is War ring and our upcoming Nitro ring.
Thoughts guys.
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Post by crush on May 8, 2023 19:07:44 GMT -5
I know I started this tread/poll, BUT I was thinking about all of this and what do you guys think about cardboard diorama cutouts of Entrance stages and stuff? I mean, like detailed cardboard diorama cutouts of Raw is War, Smackdown fist, In Your House, WCW Nitro, WCW Thunder, WCW bash at the beach 96, WCW Starrcade 97, ECW, etc. That are in scale with our UE'S and Elite figures and the figures can stand on them and everything, as well as, being in scale with our New Gen ring, Raw is War ring and our upcoming Nitro ring. Thoughts guys. I would love them TBH. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on May 8, 2023 21:07:23 GMT -5
An item that costs $400 as a crowdfund would cost way more as a made-to-order purchase.
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Post by Jeremiah on May 8, 2023 22:37:58 GMT -5
I would buy an UE Drew McIntyre or another ftil ultimate wrestler.
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Post by Kill Em' All on May 8, 2023 23:22:08 GMT -5
Think it’s going to go away a while or be reimagined.
Like how they made that shield reunion pack I see it being more like those just even more elaborate.
WCW Stage was just a miss. I don’t think for the tiers we really got unique enough figures.
I think in a dream world if we got a Steiner, retooled Wolfpack Sting, etc etc need straight home runs. Make if they somehow found way to pay a tribute to WCW/NWO Revenge on n64 in the set.
I think there would of been way more marketable out of 1998 -1999 Raw Is War set. Way more attitude era likeness homeruns; or even RA Era SD Fist set.
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Post by NoseBleedcollectibles on May 8, 2023 23:35:31 GMT -5
Think it’s going to go away a while or be reimagined. Like how they made that shield reunion pack I see it being more like those just even more elaborate. WCW Stage was just a miss. I don’t think for the tiers we really got unique enough figures. I think in a dream world if we got a Steiner, retooled Wolfpack Sting, etc etc need straight home runs. Make if they somehow found way to pay a tribute to WCW/NWO Revenge on n64 in the set. I think there would of been way more marketable out of 1998 -1999 Raw Is War set. Way more attitude era likeness homeruns; or even RA Era SD Fist set. Maybe in a couple years they'll try again, they'll be much more hype around it since we missed it the first time. Maybe sting will be on a merch deal by then. U also have to include booker t maybe a syxx maybe big show we'll be back in wwe by then . And a unique cruiserweight |
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