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Post by WrestlingFigWig on May 8, 2023 9:07:49 GMT -5
Missed you guys! I kinda took a step back from the forum during the cf. I didn’t wanna be guilted for not backing 😂 that being said I’m pretty bummed it didn’t happen, obviously. For you guys who love wcw, and for us, who this may affect future crowd funds. I hope they try different offerings of stages figures and play set combos; as opposed to taking this as a total loss. Just this iteration didn’t make the cut. I know they lost money on samples and things but in the grand scheme of a giant corporation like Mattel that’s Pennies. No real risk in trying again in nine months or so when they come up with a new game plan. Maybe wwf related or ruthless aggression with figure we likely wouldn’t get other wise; doink in ultimate and full announcer table macho. Not guys we we constantly get in gimmicks we constantly see, just so happening to be ftitl for ultimate(repeat diesel, repaint mysterio) Yeah I hope this shows them they can't just put out mediocre figures with a stage/set/whatever else and expect it to sell. More often than not the complaints I heard were more with the figure selections than the actual stage. 2 or 3 tweaks to the figures and this thing would have funded easily. |
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Post by dynamitekido on May 8, 2023 10:08:32 GMT -5
I had a feeling this wouldn't be funded from the beginning and for a bunch of different reasons. I didn't think the figure choices were anything amazing, the price point was a bit much, and frankly after the New Gen Arena wasn't bringing in insane numbers for flippers I didn't think too many people would be willing to fund multiples. I do feel for people who wanted this but I personally didn't care at all. Also, people don't have the disposable income like they did just a couple of years ago when the New Gen Arena dropped and they upped the price point this time around.
I know it's a side note here but Mattel can't even keep shelves stocked at retail, so I've kind of tired of all of the MC stuff lately too. It's kind of annoying to have to run and order stuff or preorder things a year in advance (the crowdfunding projects) but I constantly see empty shelves at retail. Now I'd blame stores more, but all of their other toy lines have items on the shelf, it's just constantly WWE figures that are nothing but empty pegs.
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Post by hbkowns on May 8, 2023 11:11:14 GMT -5
Almost everything, they don’t own Marvel. Or Star Wars, or Indiana Jones, or Power Rangers, or Transformers even? I’m pretty sure Hasbro owns transformers. |
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Post by crush on May 8, 2023 11:17:08 GMT -5
Almost everything, they don’t own Marvel. Or Star Wars, or Indiana Jones, or Power Rangers, or Transformers even? They've owned Power Rangers since 2018. I believe they own Transformers as well, though there might be some kind of co-ownership with Takara. |
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Post by crush on May 8, 2023 11:19:59 GMT -5
We honestly don’t deserve another crowdfund if 5k Americans could get this funded. I hope we don’t get another and that the Raw and SmackDown fist never happen. The community is negative and cheap. Incredible how half the community rooted for this to fail in a hobby they claim to love. All that economic talk is coverup for people’s laziness financially. This is a troll-post right? Because if not, it's deranged. Even taking economics out of the equation, if someone didn't want this particular product it doesn't make them "negative", "cheap", or "lazy". |
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Post by Flair Forever on May 8, 2023 11:30:20 GMT -5
I had a feeling this wouldn't be funded from the beginning and for a bunch of different reasons. I didn't think the figure choices were anything amazing, the price point was a bit much, and frankly after the New Gen Arena wasn't bringing in insane numbers for flippers I didn't think too many people would be willing to fund multiples. I do feel for people who wanted this but I personally didn't care at all. Also, people don't have the disposable income like they did just a couple of years ago when the New Gen Arena dropped and they upped the price point this time around. I know it's a side note here but Mattel can't even keep shelves stocked at retail, so I've kind of tired of all of the MC stuff lately too. It's kind of annoying to have to run and order stuff or preorder things a year in advance (the crowdfunding projects) but I constantly see empty shelves at retail. Now I'd blame stores more, but all of their other toy lines have items on the shelf, it's just constantly WWE figures that are nothing but empty pegs. GREAT point. It's becoming increasingly difficult to find ways to give Mattel my hard-earned money.... Figures either sell out at the presale phase.....orders are CANCELLED following the presale phase..... never make it to store shelves (but mysteriously turn up at RANDOM discount outlets across the nation).... and now, we can't even afford to make the items to sell because we couldn't guarantee enough people would buy. Elite 100 is out right now - but can I even order the complete set ANYWHERE at retail price, meaning approx $20 per figure? I've seen people finding it at Target - my Target shelves have been empty for 3 weeks. Why can we not get these figures that are OUT NOW for retail price ANYWHERE? Ringside can be pricey, but each year it's becoming a better & better option for actually getting these products to my doorstep. |
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Post by crush on May 8, 2023 12:10:10 GMT -5
Ultimately we have a small but dedicated set of wrestling collectors compared to other fandoms. Yes other fandoms have had failures but we are almost 2 for 2. People say about how the new gen rallied towards the end of macho but that was added after the initial offering as extra. Star Wars, haslabs etc didn’t have to add extra to the initial offering to try and persuade people Wrestling has a stigma attached to it, even now, the whole “it’s fake you know” STILL goes on to this day! It’s seen as “for kids” which turns some people off. Makes people not want huge status pieces etc. Star Wars has 46 years so let’s say 3 generations of collectors. It’s not seen as something to ‘grow out of’ as wrestling is. Yeah there were dark days in the 90s but it’s as big as it’s ever been for all ages. Comics etc have never been in the public consciousness like now. Even the golden age doesn’t compare to the mega mega multi million blockbusters that again generations go to see. You literally have 3 generations going to see the films. That means when a huge sail barge is released you have s much bigger base of potential purchasers, you don’t have the same stigma attached to it, so much more goes into favour for other fandoms. An example, the sail barge could easily be displayed on a bookcase holding DVDs in a living room. You don’t need a collectors room, people won’t “take the Mickey” etc etc I agree. Also, I think a big part of it is that lines like Star Wars/Marvel/GI Joe have always been built around large-scale pieces, whether that be vehicles or playlets. For the first 15 years of wrestling figures existence, the only playset style piece was a ring. The Jakks Tron and ToyBiz Nitro Arena changed that, both both of those were aimed at play and functionality more than collectibility or displaybilty. Over the next two decades, even as the concept of collecting wrestling figures evolved to include a greater deal of adult collectors, playsets mainly remained aimed at the play-feature kids market. (Jakks and Mattel did go for collector level rings and the former did the HIAC and the EC). So the niche world of wrestling toy collecting has mostly developed in a way where most of those who collect display just the figures in detolfs or etc. outside of the smaller niche of a niche of photographers. So basically there crowdfunds, as cool as they are, have been for the niche of the niche collectors and essentially asking the rest of the wrestling collector niche (which is a small overall group anyway) to change up their whole way of collecting and displaying said collection. |
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Post by natureboyfauser on May 8, 2023 12:24:42 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of too many figures being available on Mattel Creations unless that is the only way they can come out. For example, Cody Rhodes or Logan Paul were figures I passed on for whatever reason ... I felt they were coming out in other areas, so why should I get these. In retrospect ... I like those versions, but now I can't get them.
I would see if Gorgeous George or Buddy Rogers would be a specialized group! Or WWE WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES ... and making one a month I would get ...
But mostly, I think it should be used for more specialized items. I mentioned this before but perhaps instead of offering the whole WCW Set which is desired but a higher price point for many upfront ... that you would do a part of it with a few WCW figures to create a build a set. So you cast the vision up front but each month offer a piece of it. Ultimately it might be more profitable for Mattel this way while getting us something we would like.
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Post by Jeremiah on May 8, 2023 12:41:30 GMT -5
Can we get a Ultimate Drew McIntyre? It seems he might be leaving at the end of the year like maybe 1 every 2 months on Mattel Creations to get more ultimates released and do away with crowd funders.
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Post by dynamitekido on May 8, 2023 13:26:49 GMT -5
I had a feeling this wouldn't be funded from the beginning and for a bunch of different reasons. I didn't think the figure choices were anything amazing, the price point was a bit much, and frankly after the New Gen Arena wasn't bringing in insane numbers for flippers I didn't think too many people would be willing to fund multiples. I do feel for people who wanted this but I personally didn't care at all. Also, people don't have the disposable income like they did just a couple of years ago when the New Gen Arena dropped and they upped the price point this time around. I know it's a side note here but Mattel can't even keep shelves stocked at retail, so I've kind of tired of all of the MC stuff lately too. It's kind of annoying to have to run and order stuff or preorder things a year in advance (the crowdfunding projects) but I constantly see empty shelves at retail. Now I'd blame stores more, but all of their other toy lines have items on the shelf, it's just constantly WWE figures that are nothing but empty pegs. GREAT point. It's becoming increasingly difficult to find ways to give Mattel my hard-earned money.... Figures either sell out at the presale phase.....orders are CANCELLED following the presale phase..... never make it to store shelves (but mysteriously turn up at RANDOM discount outlets across the nation).... and now, we can't even afford to make the items to sell because we couldn't guarantee enough people would buy. Elite 100 is out right now - but can I even order the complete set ANYWHERE at retail price, meaning approx $20 per figure? I've seen people finding it at Target - my Target shelves have been empty for 3 weeks. Why can we not get these figures that are OUT NOW for retail price ANYWHERE? Ringside can be pricey, but each year it's becoming a better & better option for actually getting these products to my doorstep. I've been having the same issue with Elite 100 myself. I don't mind ordering things online, but not ALL OF THE TIME. That sucks a lot of the fun out of it for me, plus ordering online is generally paying more even if we're just talking about shipping. Considering the amount of money I've spent on collecting through the years I don't think getting things at retail price is THAT much to ask. So when I don't spend money on a crowdfunded project that I don't want, Mattel isn't even giving me the option to purchase at retail for the retail price. Plus through the years I've seen this stuff go from sitting on shelves, to flying off shelves, to never being stocked at retail, and frankly the whole thing is frustrating. I've started to cut back on my purchases and finding less and less options to make me even want to collect anymore. I'm not complaining, as I have no problem spending my money elsewhere or on different things, but it's weird to me that a company seemingly doesn't even want my money. Or they'll hold things for ransom like crowdfunding with the idea of if it's not funded, we don't get any more cool stuff. |
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Post by savedbytheringbell on May 8, 2023 13:28:11 GMT -5
For future crowdfund projects, there should be 2 threads. One for the backers, where everything is sunshine / rainbows and no one takes the “fun” out of it for anyone. Another for everyone else, who can tolerate mostly reasonable feedback / criticism
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Post by thewrestlingdad on May 8, 2023 13:46:20 GMT -5
Where should I be posting this question? It keeps getting deleted  |
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on May 8, 2023 13:51:19 GMT -5
For future crowdfund projects, there should be 2 threads. One for the backers, where everything is sunshine / rainbows and no one takes the “fun” out of it for anyone. Another for everyone else, who can tolerate mostly reasonable feedback / criticism There’s already the second thread. It’s called Banter. |
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Post by Flair Forever on May 8, 2023 15:03:52 GMT -5
Where should I be posting this question? It keeps getting deleted He answered your question: Action Figure Attack Hey Steve, I was a Nitro crowdfund backer but one of the ones who was really backing it as a means to obtain the figures, as I just display on my book shelves, and to support the line overall. Being just a figure collector, I’m curious if these figures will be like the New Gen Doink and not ever be made again? Or are these looks, specifically early NWO Steiner, nitro debut Warrior, and debut Hogan, still on the table and likely to be made elsewhere in the line, even as elites, basics, etc? Sorry if this question has been asked and answered previously but I missed it if it was. Thanks! The specific looks as Ultimates were exclusive to the crowdfund so they won’t be seeing release in UE form unfortunately. I wouldn’t 100% rule them out of potentially eventually showing up elsewhere (elites, basics, retros, superstars) but they’re definitely moved to the back of the line of options currently. |
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Post by thewrestlingdad on May 8, 2023 16:09:15 GMT -5
Where should I be posting this question? It keeps getting deleted He answered your question: The specific looks as Ultimates were exclusive to the crowdfund so they won’t be seeing release in UE form unfortunately. I wouldn’t 100% rule them out of potentially eventually showing up elsewhere (elites, basics, retros, superstars) but they’re definitely moved to the back of the line of options currently. Thank you for doing what should have been done by the person who deleted my posts 🤙🏻 |
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Post by aggressiveperfector on May 8, 2023 20:52:17 GMT -5
Why should I (or anyone) feel obligated to front $400 and engage in the legwork to flip something I don't want just to satisfy someone else's needs? Not all about just buying it to please others. You’re here for a reason right? You collect wwe figures? If anything back the stuff to make it successful so we could get more in the future. All I’m saying is if you backed it but didn’t want it, you could always resell it to get your money back. And if you can’t afford it then ok. But most of you rather just get on here and complain about prices and size , yet ask and hope fr stuff that would cost way much more and be just as big if not bigger. Wow…you actually doubled down. |
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Post by jesusramiro93 on May 9, 2023 12:01:59 GMT -5
I think big scale projects like the Nitro/RAW IS WAR/Smackdown fist stage crowdfund are pretty much dead for now. The fact that the response to the stages shown at SDCC was so good lead Mattel to believe that easily 5k was doable because of how much engagement and how many people were asking for those sets yet when the time came not all of them showed up. And he confirmed this in his thread when he said that they listened to everybody and made Steiner another figure to get at 5k and still didn't get people to buy in. He was also very clear on how it would be HARD to sell another big scale project for MC to higher ups after this one failed by about 1k.
Probably the next crowdfund (if we even get more) won't be above $300 and would probably not be an entrance stage.
Also important to note, they have to fix the cost for international customers. So many people didn't back because of this not the actual price of the crowdfund.
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Post by JokerFC on May 9, 2023 14:36:09 GMT -5
For me what's next is getting that Ultimate Hogan & Steiner out to market.
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Post by dixol on May 9, 2023 22:37:08 GMT -5
For me what's next is getting that Ultimate Hogan & Steiner out to market. Steve said those were exclusive to the crowdfund and now will not be made as Ultimates. He said if they are made in a different form(elites, retros, etc), they are definitely at the bottom of the list now. |
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on May 9, 2023 22:41:39 GMT -5
Oh no we’re not gonna get another Red yellow hogan ultimate with a slightly altered shirt  |
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