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Post by CM Tusk on May 28, 2023 13:31:52 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan “deserves” nothing. He chose to tarnish his career, nobody forced him to do any of the stuff he did. I thought you said you didn't care about what the wrestler does or says outside the ring. Hulk Hogan is the reason WWE exist the way it does today. End of discussion. It does not matter how you or others feel about him. It just doesn't. Hulk deserves a proper send off. Vince McMahon is the reason WWE exists today. He chose Hulk. He marketed Hulk. He booked Hulk. Without him, Hulk would have stayed a regional star. Vince could have still made going national a success with a different star. Hogan doesn’t deserve anything. He could have had a proper send off in 2006 again Randy just like Ric could have had in 2008, but no both men decided to go to TNA a make that the end of their legacies. Ric almost died last year because he thought he needed a better send off and it was embarrassing. Hogan can’t drop a leg or throw a boot. He can throw punches. It will be embarrassing. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2023 13:52:37 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan “deserves” nothing. He chose to tarnish his career, nobody forced him to do any of the stuff he did. I thought you said you didn't care about what the wrestler does or says outside the ring. Hulk Hogan is the reason WWE exist the way it does today. End of discussion. It does not matter how you or others feel about him. It just doesn't. Hulk deserves a proper send off. I was talking about him ending his career in embarrassing matches with TNA. He chose to end his career there. It does not matter how you or others feel about him. Hulk “deserves” absolutely nothing. |
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Post by theman on May 28, 2023 14:04:14 GMT -5
I thought you said you didn't care about what the wrestler does or says outside the ring. Hulk Hogan is the reason WWE exist the way it does today. End of discussion. It does not matter how you or others feel about him. It just doesn't. Hulk deserves a proper send off. Vince McMahon is the reason WWE exists today. He chose Hulk. He marketed Hulk. He booked Hulk. Without him, Hulk would have stayed a regional star. Vince could have still made going national a success with a different star. Hogan doesn’t deserve anything. He could have had a proper send off in 2006 again Randy just like Ric could have had in 2008, but no both men decided to go to TNA a make that the end of their legacies. Ric almost died last year because he thought he needed a better send off and it was embarrassing. Hogan can’t drop a leg or throw a boot. He can throw punches. It will be embarrassing. We're going to have to agree to disagree. Without Hogan there is no Hulkamania that made all the money for WWE from the mid 80's to the early 90s. No one else could have filled that role just like no one else could have filled Austin or Rock's role later. |
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Post by bWo on May 28, 2023 14:06:24 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan “deserves” nothing. He chose to tarnish his career, nobody forced him to do any of the stuff he did.
There's Debra describing one of the times Steve Austin beat her. If Hogan deserves "nothing" what does Stone Cold deserve? |
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Post by theman on May 28, 2023 14:10:43 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan “deserves” nothing. He chose to tarnish his career, nobody forced him to do any of the stuff he did.
There's Debra describing one of the times Steve Austin beat her. If Hogan deserves "nothing" what does Stone Cold deserve? I don't want to speak for Triple S but I don't think he/she is talking about any of the outside of the ring stuff for either man which I made a mistake myself in thinking they were talking about that. I think Triple S is talking about the TNA debacle which I do agree Hulk nor Ric should have ever went there. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2023 14:24:06 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan “deserves” nothing. He chose to tarnish his career, nobody forced him to do any of the stuff he did.
There's Debra describing one of the times Steve Austin beat her. If Hogan deserves "nothing" what does Stone Cold deserve? Nothing. And once again, I don’t care what these people do outside of a wrestling ring. I can separate the artist from the person. |
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Post by bWo on May 28, 2023 15:00:52 GMT -5
There's Debra describing one of the times Steve Austin beat her. If Hogan deserves "nothing" what does Stone Cold deserve? Nothing. And once again, I don’t care what these people do outside of a wrestling ring. I can separate the artist from the person. Then why isn't "the artist" allowed to go wrestle where he wants? |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2023 15:12:05 GMT -5
Nothing. And once again, I don’t care what these people do outside of a wrestling ring. I can separate the artist from the person. Then why isn't "the artist" allowed to go wrestle where he wants? Who said they can’t? It’s not my choice that Hulk Hogan went to TNA and had a bunch of awful matches that nobody cares about. Now he’s too old to perform in a wrestling ring and wasted those years in TNA. |
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Post by bWo on May 28, 2023 15:25:36 GMT -5
There's Debra describing one of the times Steve Austin beat her. If Hogan deserves "nothing" what does Stone Cold deserve? I don't want to speak for Triple S but I don't think he/she is talking about any of the outside of the ring stuff for either man which I made a mistake myself in thinking they were talking about that. I think Triple S is talking about the TNA debacle which I do agree Hulk nor Ric should have ever went there. Yeah I see that now. Even the TNA stuff I don't understand though. Not acknowledging anything any wrestler has ever done in a different company kind of comes with the being a WWE fan territory. They could have a tag match. Austin could stun Gable to a Rock-like oversell. Otis can land a splash, Hogan can Hulk up, slam him, and drop one more half decent leg. The 2 biggest stars the company has ever had can roll off into the sunlight together. I'd be okay with something like that. |
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Post by bWo on May 28, 2023 15:41:30 GMT -5
Then why isn't "the artist" allowed to go wrestle where he wants? Who said they can’t? It’s not my choice that Hulk Hogan went to TNA and had a bunch of awful matches that nobody cares about. Now he’s too old to perform in a wrestling ring and wasted those years in TNA. You're not really making sense. How did Hogan "Waste those years in TNA" while having "awful matches?" Hogan would have been having "awful" matches in WWE too? He was awful by that time. Awful was all he had to offer. He had a chance to go there and play WCW again while getting paid boatloads of money. Where is the issue here? Unless your point is he should have retired in 2000whatever when he was done with WWE. All I could say to that is it's wrestling. Wrestling "retirements" are as about as legit as as wrestling weddings and wrestling contract signings. I get wanting a guy to call it a career but you seem oddly bitter about it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2023 17:11:29 GMT -5
Who said they can’t? It’s not my choice that Hulk Hogan went to TNA and had a bunch of awful matches that nobody cares about. Now he’s too old to perform in a wrestling ring and wasted those years in TNA. You're not really making sense. How did Hogan "Waste those years in TNA" while having "awful matches?" Hogan would have been having "awful" matches in WWE too? He was awful by that time. Awful was all he had to offer. He had a chance to go there and play WCW again while getting paid boatloads of money. Where is the issue here? Unless your point is he should have retired in 2000whatever when he was done with WWE. All I could say to that is it's wrestling. Wrestling "retirements" are as about as legit as as wrestling weddings and wrestling contract signings. I get wanting a guy to call it a career but you seem oddly bitter about it. The point is Hogan getting a WWE send off match. I’m saying that ship has sailed and instead of wasting his last years away in TNA when he could still move… he could’ve possibly been getting that send off in WWE. |
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on May 28, 2023 18:26:00 GMT -5
He was workin’, brother. He’s always workin’. Based on what he actually said in that interview he was more realistic about it, and said that the time has likely past. Wanting to do it and actually trying to get it accomplished are two very different things. In a recent interview Bischoff actually said he’d love to get in the ring again, but he’s also realistic about his health and limitations. I actually remember Hogan saying that Shane-O was pushing for it. I guess it makes sense after all of the stories coming out of last year’s Rumble. Shane probably knew that it was the one match he could pitch that Vince wouldn’t be able to pass up. Anyway, as one of the biggest Hogan fans ever I think I’m good on seeing him get physical. He doesn’t need an official retirement match. That last match with Sting was….better than it had any right to be. He had no business even being in that match, but for me it was beautiful. He went in as a heel, lost properly to Sting, then got to turn face at the end. It was ridiculous, it was not pretty, but it was better than if he was bumping around some younger wrestler. If he were to do it now it would HAVE to be the Miz, and as much as I love Miz, that’s damn sure not a money match even for Hogan’s most ardent supporters. Or he could come back and topple Reigns, end the title reign, and retire immediately after. That would be ok too. Hogan/Miz squash match would be cool |
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Post by MKSavage on May 29, 2023 5:56:59 GMT -5
I thought you said you didn't care about what the wrestler does or says outside the ring. Hulk Hogan is the reason WWE exist the way it does today. End of discussion. It does not matter how you or others feel about him. It just doesn't. Hulk deserves a proper send off.
Hogan doesn’t deserve anything. He could have had a proper send off in 2006 again Randy just like Ric could have had in 2008, but no both men decided to go to TNA a make that the end of their legacies. Ric almost died last year because he thought he needed a better send off and it was embarrassing. Hogan can’t drop a leg or throw a boot. He can throw punches. It will be embarrassing. I don't know. Yes, Vince is a big reason WWE exists today, but Hogan deserves a lot of credit as well. He was one of the most over stars at the time (as a regional success), and he was a big reason for the success of the WWF going national. Yes, Vince could have used someone else, but that doesn't mean it would have been a success, or more successful than it was with Hogan as the focal point. Vince doesn't always make big stars; he's pushed a lot of guys who didn't draw near what Hogan did. He tried to replace Hogan for years, and no one really succeeded until Austin came along. And he didn't even know what to do with Austin when he first got him. It wasn't until a year and a half later that he finally saw Austin as a star to center his company around. So yes, Hogan deserves a lot of credit. Saying he deserved nothing is a bit of a stretch. And just an FYI, I am not a big Hogan fan. Now, with that being said, I don't think he should do a match at WM. He's much older than Steve is, and he's had a lot of surgeries (I think he's had 10 surgeries on his back alone, not to mention other parts of his body), I'm not sure a match with him in it would look good. He would be better off coming to someone's rescue, throwing a few punches and a big boot, rather than having an actual match. Something like he did a number of years ago with the NWO/DX stuff during the Sting/HHH match. Or maybe do something like what Shane was supposed to do this past year with the Miz (just stay away from the leap frog...) |
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on May 29, 2023 9:35:56 GMT -5
Vince McMahon is the reason WWE exists today. He chose Hulk. He marketed Hulk. He booked Hulk. Without him, Hulk would have stayed a regional star. Vince could have still made going national a success with a different star.
Hogan doesn’t deserve anything. He could have had a proper send off in 2006 again Randy just like Ric could have had in 2008, but no both men decided to go to TNA a make that the end of their legacies. Ric almost died last year because he thought he needed a better send off and it was embarrassing. Hogan can’t drop a leg or throw a boot. He can throw punches. It will be embarrassing. I don't know. Yes, Vince is a big reason WWE exists today, but Hogan deserves a lot of credit as well. He was one of the most over stars at the time (as a regional success), and he was a big reason for the success of the WWF going national. Yes, Vince could have used someone else, but that doesn't mean it would have been a success, or more successful than it was with Hogan as the focal point. Vince doesn't always make big stars; he's pushed a lot of guys who didn't draw near what Hogan did. He tried to replace Hogan for years, and no one really succeeded until Austin came along. And he didn't even know what to do with Austin when he first got him. It wasn't until a year and a half later that he finally saw Austin as a star to center his company around. So yes, Hogan deserves a lot of credit. Saying he deserved nothing is a bit of a stretch. And just an FYI, I am not a big Hogan fan. Now, with that being said, I don't think he should do a match at WM. He's much older than Steve is, and he's had a lot of surgeries (I think he's had 10 surgeries on his back alone, not to mention other parts of his body), I'm not sure a match with him in it would look good. He would be better off coming to someone's rescue, throwing a few punches and a big boot, rather than having an actual match. Something like he did a number of years ago with the NWO/DX stuff during the Sting/HHH match. Or maybe do something like what Shane was supposed to do this past year with the Miz (just stay away from the leap frog...) Vince & Hogan deserve big big credit tbh & I agree with a Hogan/Miz squash match @ WM40... it would be a perfect sendoff. |
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Post by alanpartridge on May 29, 2023 16:59:29 GMT -5
If he is willing to do it no problem. Able probably not but Wrestlemania is all about the spectacle. I don't want to scare you guys but Hogan could make a come back and be like a male Mae Young.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on May 30, 2023 11:41:21 GMT -5
If the Hulkster gets some crazy sci-fi stem cell improvements and can have a match, awesome. But it seems unlikely.
Let’s be honest, Stone Cold wasn’t moving and looking like a million bucks during his match with Kevin Owens. KO was doing the heavy lifting in that one.
Realistically, Hogan getting to wave and pose and maybe punch Dominik Mysterio or one of Gunther’s lackeys (or maybe Noam Dar) is probably the most that Hulk could hope for in terms of a send-off at WM40.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on May 30, 2023 12:40:00 GMT -5
If he is willing to do it no problem. Able probably not but Wrestlemania is all about the spectacle. I don't want to scare you guys but Hogan could make a come back and be like a male Mae Young. Mae was able to take bumps. Hulkster can't |
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on May 30, 2023 13:14:17 GMT -5
Jerry Lawler has been working for years without taking bumps.
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Post by alanpartridge on May 30, 2023 13:29:58 GMT -5
If he is willing to do it no problem. Able probably not but Wrestlemania is all about the spectacle. I don't want to scare you guys but Hogan could make a come back and be like a male Mae Young. Mae was able to take bumps. Hulkster can't I think Ziggler would be a better opponent than Austin. He could oversell Hogan and Ziggler deserves a big Wrestlemania match. |
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on May 30, 2023 13:30:21 GMT -5
If the Hulkster gets some crazy sci-fi stem cell improvements and can have a match, awesome. But it seems unlikely. Let’s be honest, Stone Cold wasn’t moving and looking like a million bucks during his match with Kevin Owens. KO was doing the heavy lifting in that one. Realistically, Hogan getting to wave and pose and maybe punch Dominik Mysterio or one of Gunther’s lackeys (or maybe Noam Dar) is probably the most that Hulk could hope for in terms of a send-off at WM40. Sounds like a plan to me |
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