jasont
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Post by jasont on Jun 28, 2023 0:45:10 GMT -5
If anyone has seen their latest attempt, it seems like they’re always messing up on something. On the WCW, the price for international backers was ridiculous and for this Jurassic one, international backers can’t even back until the project has been backed!?
Hasbro gets things right. How hard is it to replicate what they do?
Also, don’t get me started on choices for their crowdfunds. WCW is one of the lowest collected lines/eras. If you want to succeed to the level of Hasbros Joe crowdfunds, stick to Golden Era or Attitude era themed crowdfunds. That’s where the collectors are.
With Jurassic, they’ve done some gates on a hideous base with 4 repaints!
Seriously, someone needs to have a word with Mattel. I want them to succeed but they’re making a lot of mistakes.
Just my opinion. What does everyone else think?
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Post by CM Tusk on Jun 28, 2023 1:12:03 GMT -5
They shouldn’t do crowdfunds.
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Post by Vamp55 on Jun 28, 2023 1:16:46 GMT -5
To be fair, Hasbro doesn’t ship to all international markets (Australia for instance), we have to use 3rd parties.
But I completely agree with your points, it seems Mattel is just out of touch and/or unable to over come market conditions (costs, buyer demand etc.)! Not allowing international buyers until it’s backed likely has something to do with the costs involved in issuing refunds if the project doesn’t make it. Seems very short sighted, but i guess they’ve done the research.
Crowd funds used to be for smaller/start up companies to help generate capital for projects. Failures are a part of the process, but the costs will be starting to build if this doesn’t get over the line for Mattel, with zero return.
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mrh
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Post by mrh on Jun 28, 2023 1:29:45 GMT -5
I was just coming on here to write how horrible the Jurassic crowdfund is. Makes you appreciate the WWE Mattel team even more, in terms of figure quality and value for money
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Post by ImJoeGrizzlyBitch on Jun 28, 2023 2:24:38 GMT -5
What I never understood is WHY would you put this crowd funded project out during Wrestlemania? Wrestlemania isn’t a toy event, parents mostly take their kids to these events now days. They’re obviously not going to drop $500 on a crowd funded project. This is why you should have showed this at SDCC when people are there for the TOYS!!!
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Post by SteveHulk on Jun 28, 2023 4:36:47 GMT -5
This makes the whole WCW stage look like a genius move 🤣. Just stop with the whole crowd-funding thing already.
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Post by coldblooded on Jun 28, 2023 8:01:08 GMT -5
Baf is the way to go.
And the masses clearly doesn't care for a mass display piece that takes up a corner of the room.
New gen was the sweet spot.
Also make a better choice, not saying nitro stage was a bad choice, it was a wrong place wrong time choice.
Also don't alienate over half your user base by allowing part or the crowd fund (wcw Monday night wars) product to be exclusive to Walmart.
All the new gen esque figures coming out now or have been out aren't exclusive. Zero complaints.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jun 28, 2023 8:13:22 GMT -5
It’s a good idea in theory, but man the price just isn’t right if all you get is the gate and the jeep.
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2sweeeeet
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Post by 2sweeeeet on Jun 28, 2023 8:29:55 GMT -5
As far as WWE stuff goes for me: cages not stages.
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Post by carsonalt on Jun 28, 2023 8:42:51 GMT -5
I want them to keep trying. They are a massive corporation they will adapt and the next one will hopefully be something that gets fully funded. If you are hoping they quit trying that seems like the wrong attitude. I don’t want to lose another option to get awesome things. Don’t get me wrong I would rather not pay $500+ a year+ in advance to get something but if it’s that or not have the option at all I will take that 100/100 times.
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Post by ImJoeGrizzlyBitch on Jun 28, 2023 9:26:40 GMT -5
It takes a year just to create something to show, and another year to produce whatever the crowd fund is if it gets funded. So you’re looking at 2 years just to get these things, really not worth the time . And then wait to reveal it at a wrestling PPV instead of the biggest toy show of the year . This is really just something to get your hopes up for, only to be poorly executed and fail. Just not worth it to me anymore.
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Post by AxelSmackdown on Jun 28, 2023 12:54:45 GMT -5
It’s a good idea in theory, but man the price just isn’t right if all you get is the gate and the jeep. Mattel’s argument is that $250 is the value FOR the gate and jeep, and anything extra is just a bonus
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Post by dynamitekido on Jun 28, 2023 13:54:47 GMT -5
Honestly, I'd be happy to never deal with another crowdfund ever again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2023 15:36:59 GMT -5
They can't get colors right( and idc what AFA says, it's the wrong color no matter what light you put that Cody under). What would make us think any crowd fund they do would succeed?
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Papi Joker
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Post by Papi Joker on Jun 28, 2023 17:59:56 GMT -5
because they flat out do not care about the International Market (although they are an International company)
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The One Who Collects
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Post by The One Who Collects on Jun 28, 2023 18:42:34 GMT -5
To be fair, Hasbro doesn’t ship to all international markets (Australia for instance), we have to use 3rd parties. But I completely agree with your points, it seems Mattel is just out of touch and/or unable to over come market conditions (costs, buyer demand etc.)! Not allowing international buyers until it’s backed likely has something to do with the costs involved in issuing refunds if the project doesn’t make it. Seems very short sighted, but i guess they’ve done the research. Crowd funds used to be for smaller/start up companies to help generate capital for projects. Failures are a part of the process, but the costs will be starting to build if this doesn’t get over the line for Mattel, with zero return. I feel like these big companies have turned to crowdfunding due to the demise of ToysRUs and KB.
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Post by RSCTom on Jun 28, 2023 19:01:10 GMT -5
These gates are not nearly as bad as they are getting heat for. I understand the price point is steep but this is a premium toy and a premium offering...as was the WCW Nitro Stage. I don't really understand how it's so hard to wrap around that for some people. The days of giant hollow pieces of plastic with a built in rotator chair and launching missiles are over. Steep price or not, it is what it is. I still have my old Ghostbusters firehouse but how could someone expect something like that to be released in the modern era of toys being more detailed than ever before? See: the McFarlane Batmobile from Flash...bare bones but in person not even close to as good as a crowdfunded version would be. I'm going to get the remote control SpinMaster one instead.
As someone who has been waiting and hoping for exactly these, probably more than anything else across any toy line including wrestling, the gates look incredible and it's going to really sting for me if they don't get backed. Not only that, and it was kind of the same thing with the WCW stage to a degree, these gates are absolutely the most iconic and recognizable aspects of the brands. The only thing arguably more recognizable than the JP gates is the T-Rex itself, so I don't know why people wouldn't expect these to be suped up and turned into premium offerings. They have specialized, collector based packaging which is clearly catering to the collector market and also goes into the budget. Personally, and this is no disrespect to Mattel's talented packaging teams, but I open every single item I get, even rare things, so I could do without all that stuff but I am not the only one this is being sold for and I am very aware of that.
Don't get me wrong...I would pay for a bare bones, hollow version (probably would have for WCW stage as well) just to have the look in place but how can anyone deny the electronics and lights on pieces like this don't make them way beyond anything we ever had for toys as kids, those of us who had these types of things in the 80's and 90's? They're creating pretty awesome things here with a level of accuracy and detail that just hasn't been done up to this point.
As far as some of the items being repaints, that to me is just how it is with a line at GI Joe scale...you're going to get some reused molding. Especially with a line where the T-Rex models are essentially the same throughout all movies and most casual collectors out there dipping their toes into JP really only need one. These projects are meant to pull people into lines they don't typically collect. With that said the fact that reusing so many molds should probably lower the cost a bit is a valid criticism. It does make me wonder if it was possible to get this to $200 with all included if people would be more open to it. $50 bucks definitely makes a difference...especially after shipping and tax. But I still can't help but feel like people would be complaining.
The criticisms about these types of things being so large it's hard to fill up a room I also find valid, but that I think makes it even easier to say if you don't have the room, you don't have to get it or you can make space. Not everyone has to have everything always even when it feels like that sometimes and that's something I think sometimes a lot of people lose sight of. I get being a perfectionist and wanting things but your life won't end not getting certain pieces if you can't afford it/don't have the room.
Anyway, I'm still backing this and I was planning on backing the WCW stage to support my friends on that team. I am not a major fan of crowd-funding and the way it works in general but there are certain things that are undeniable necessities for me in regards to my collection, personally, and this is close to the top of the list. I can't stress enough this is like...a centerpiece and I can't imagine something else beyond this I would even want as much. I don't need a giant building like the visitor's center or anything like that.
I also am going to have to get this shipped to an international address believe it or not so I was bummed to find that I wasn't able to back it right away, but I want the gates and everything included bad enough that I'm going to have it forwarded. If it hits 5k I will cancel my US order and have it shipped to me directly in my country of residence.
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Post by Action Figure Attack on Jun 28, 2023 19:01:39 GMT -5
They can't get colors right( and idc what AFA says, it's the wrong color no matter what light you put that Cody under). What would make us think any crowd fund they do would succeed? To be fair (to me), I never said if the color was accurate or inaccurate. I just answered the question of why the color of the tights seemed different in different images.
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Post by RSCTom on Jun 28, 2023 19:03:01 GMT -5
To be fair, Hasbro doesn’t ship to all international markets (Australia for instance), we have to use 3rd parties. But I completely agree with your points, it seems Mattel is just out of touch and/or unable to over come market conditions (costs, buyer demand etc.)! Not allowing international buyers until it’s backed likely has something to do with the costs involved in issuing refunds if the project doesn’t make it. Seems very short sighted, but i guess they’ve done the research. Crowd funds used to be for smaller/start up companies to help generate capital for projects. Failures are a part of the process, but the costs will be starting to build if this doesn’t get over the line for Mattel, with zero return. I feel like these big companies have turned to crowdfunding due to the demise of ToysRUs and KB. Also a great point. If retailers, both online and in store, were demanding this in a way that they'd pay to carry it and feel like they could move the items it'd probably show up more often. But TRU not existing anymore definitely hurts it. Target having 4 or 5 of these per store on shelf might get lucky if they move 1-2, right? Alas, here we are...
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Post by Action Figure Attack on Jun 28, 2023 19:12:10 GMT -5
To be fair, Hasbro doesn’t ship to all international markets (Australia for instance), we have to use 3rd parties. But I completely agree with your points, it seems Mattel is just out of touch and/or unable to over come market conditions (costs, buyer demand etc.)! Not allowing international buyers until it’s backed likely has something to do with the costs involved in issuing refunds if the project doesn’t make it. Seems very short sighted, but i guess they’ve done the research. Crowd funds used to be for smaller/start up companies to help generate capital for projects. Failures are a part of the process, but the costs will be starting to build if this doesn’t get over the line for Mattel, with zero return. I feel like these big companies have turned to crowdfunding due to the demise of ToysRUs and KB. This is definitely part of the reason. There’s no retail home for most items like this anymore. And I know many of you have chimed in with various e-tailers but the reality is they just don’t take the sheer qty of units of something this massive and expensive to justify the tooling and development like a TRU would. These things are beasts to develop and run a campaign for. Companies really are trying to find ways to make this stuff happen despite some of the current ant-crowdfund sentiments.
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