freaqualizer
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Post by freaqualizer on Sept 11, 2024 12:25:52 GMT -5
Have been on the fence about these would love to get them as they are a hole in the world of retro style but having seen a few reviews they don’t hit the same level as Men on a Mission or Marc Mero which are the only G&Gs I have so far. The faces aren’t really there for me, the weird revisionism people have that Hasbro was cartoon like just isn’t true, they all had a great representation, especially for the time. The final nail for me was seeing Raymond’s ‘action’ arm - it’s smaller than the torso so looks very weird. I don’t understand why the arm is too small for the body? A real shame. To say that it’s revisionism when people say the Hasbros are cartoon like is just absurd. LoL. Look at the Bushwackers, Greg Valentine, The Steiners, Doink, Sid, Hogan, Macho 1, Bret Hart, the Undertaker. Are they horrible likenesses? Well…some of them are. But are they real scan? Heavens no. Very much exaggerated and cartoonish. |
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on Sept 11, 2024 17:35:32 GMT -5
Have been on the fence about these would love to get them as they are a hole in the world of retro style but having seen a few reviews they don’t hit the same level as Men on a Mission or Marc Mero which are the only G&Gs I have so far. The faces aren’t really there for me, the weird revisionism people have that Hasbro was cartoon like just isn’t true, they all had a great representation, especially for the time. The final nail for me was seeing Raymond’s ‘action’ arm - it’s smaller than the torso so looks very weird. I don’t understand why the arm is too small for the body? A real shame. To say that it’s revisionism when people say the Hasbros are cartoon like is just absurd. LoL. Look at the Bushwackers, Greg Valentine, The Steiners, Doink, Sid, Hogan, Macho 1, Bret Hart, the Undertaker. Are they horrible likenesses? Well…some of them are. But are they real scan? Heavens no. Very much exaggerated and cartoonish. Completely disagree, they’re not all home runs obviously (Flair!) and again, we are talking 30 years ago, they didn’t have a lot to work with compared with today - the majority have great sculpts and likenesses - some have paint application that takes away from the sculpt. Most far better than Mattel produce in the retro line and far better than most of G&G. All the guys you listed look great, I don’t understand how anyone could say otherwise, especially Hogan & Taker. Bret looks better than any Mattel Elite or Ultimate 😅 |
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@Chair.Shot
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Sept 11, 2024 18:14:41 GMT -5
Saying Hasbro likenesses weren’t cartoonish is completely false. lol, okay you can have your opinion but at least consider this: cartoons can be realistic and have exaggerated features and expressions all at the same time. The most accurate Hasbro still has cartoonish features, period. http://instagram.com/p/C_yzyu1uGcf |
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Post by kojikanemoto on Sept 11, 2024 19:53:27 GMT -5
Jean Pierre looks good there. I bet we get that before Hakushi from Zombie is for sale.
How many more guys from the WWF rosters between 89-95 are there that are still unaccounted for? Between G&G and H&F it feels like they’ve filled a lot of gaps.
Beverly Brothers are a stand out. The Goon?
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Sept 11, 2024 20:33:35 GMT -5
agree with this 1,000 percent! That's my issue. I want to pay 80 and buy the Rogeaus now -- I assumed because I could do it with Quebeckers and Mero, etc. I would be able to do it here. Also drnickriviera995 -- your HBK custom is fantastic. Same guy who did your others? HBK was made by Darren Sedgewick, Owen by Danny Cage. |
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Post by Scotty Flamingo on Sept 11, 2024 20:35:02 GMT -5
Jean Pierre looks good there. I bet we get that before Hakushi from Zombie is for sale. How many more guys from the WWF rosters between 89-95 are there that are still unaccounted for? Between G&G and H&F it feels like they’ve filled a lot of gaps. Beverly Brothers are a stand out. The Goon? These companies are conquering almost everybody if they release everyone they say they will. Here another few: Rugged Ronnie Garvin Sapphire Battle Kat Rad Radford Saba Simba |
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Sept 11, 2024 20:35:34 GMT -5
Jean Pierre looks good there. I bet we get that before Hakushi from Zombie is for sale. How many more guys from the WWF rosters between 89-95 are there that are still unaccounted for? Between G&G and H&F it feels like they’ve filled a lot of gaps. Beverly Brothers are a stand out. The Goon? Need a Heel Jake, Updated Rude, Tito in white trunks, Skip, Dean Douglas, Bob Backlund. Those are a few off the top of my head. |
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Post by kojikanemoto on Sept 11, 2024 22:08:46 GMT -5
Jean Pierre looks good there. I bet we get that before Hakushi from Zombie is for sale. How many more guys from the WWF rosters between 89-95 are there that are still unaccounted for? Between G&G and H&F it feels like they’ve filled a lot of gaps. Beverly Brothers are a stand out. The Goon? These companies are conquering almost everybody if they release everyone they say they will. Here another few: Rugged Ronnie Garvin Sapphire Battle Kat Rad Radford Saba Simba Ron Garvin is a good one, I wonder if he’s signed with Power Town? |
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Post by aaron34 on Sept 12, 2024 0:27:38 GMT -5
he rewards people who trust his process… punishes haters who criticise constantly… like you I don't hate them. I got the Quebecers after I seen the final product and very happy with them. Ditto with the Rougeaus. There's improvement but I definitely dont have enough faith (yet?) to place a pre order them. well that’s on you. Don’t complain or criticise the process or those who do have faith. |
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Post by aaron34 on Sept 12, 2024 0:29:48 GMT -5
The prototypes/renders looked rubbish though. He's punishes people with use of their eyes? People with sense? Doesn't matter too much for me cos Rock and Roll Collectibles don't inflate the prices after the pre order for in stock purchases. It appears you are overlooking the people who want figure representation of these characters. I didn’t pass on getting a Ric Flair figure as a kid despite the fact that he looked awful and had one of the worst action features. Most of us still buy retros despite how cost-cutting and repetitive they have gotten (along with low quality likenesses at times). R&R have inflated prices. They have to in order to stay in business. Because they choose to do so consistently is fine and I prefer that myself. But with the logic you provided, you should be just as upset every time they offer a discount code or put something on sale. If you don’t like a render or a prototype- sound off. Don’t support it if you don’t want it or don’t believe in it. But if something turns out better than expected, just be prepared to pay more. It’s as simple as that. The figures may not be free but we certainly are free to choose what we buy and when. very well said!! |
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on Sept 12, 2024 1:56:09 GMT -5
Saying Hasbro likenesses weren’t cartoonish is completely false. lol, okay you can have your opinion but at least consider this: cartoons can be realistic and have exaggerated features and expressions all at the same time. The most accurate Hasbro still has cartoonish features, period. http://instagram.com/p/C_yzyu1uGcf They were based on likenesses though, the Warrior and Hogan sculpts for example hold up today against anything else released retro wise in terms of likeness, even all these years later. Cardona explains it better than I could but it’s one thing I agree with him on. As I said, there were obviously some misses but mostly they were great likenesses, exaggerated in some cases I’ll accept but that’s because they didn’t have the tools of today. I always think the test is if you were given a head only, can you immediately tell who it is…no chance does anyone get who these Rougeaus or Canadians are without the bodies…MAYBE Raymond because of the tache. |
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Post by Jonny Flashback on Sept 12, 2024 3:21:35 GMT -5
I don't hate them. I got the Quebecers after I seen the final product and very happy with them. Ditto with the Rougeaus. There's improvement but I definitely dont have enough faith (yet?) to place a pre order them. well that’s on you. Don’t complain or criticise the process or those who do have faith. Isn't that what this forum is for? One way or the other But luckily I don't have to trust the process and order from R&R if I like the final product. |
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Post by Jonny Flashback on Sept 12, 2024 5:42:04 GMT -5
Just ordered Rougeaus and red Mero cos I'm such a hater 👀
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Post by MKSavage on Sept 12, 2024 8:26:57 GMT -5
Jean Pierre looks good there. I bet we get that before Hakushi from Zombie is for sale. How many more guys from the WWF rosters between 89-95 are there that are still unaccounted for? Between G&G and H&F it feels like they’ve filled a lot of gaps. Beverly Brothers are a stand out. The Goon? Others that would fit the era: King Harley Race Rugged Ronnie Garvin Outlaw Ron Bass Barbarian - singles run Red Rooster Hercules - singles run bodyguard Virgil - suit and wrestling attire Brooklyn Brawler Bobby Heenan - in wrestling gear Mr. Fuji - Manager and wrestling attires Widowmaker Barry Windham Zeus the Genius Orient Express (Sato & Tanaka, Kato & Tanaka) Playboy Buddy Rose Saba Simba Shane Douglas Black Bart Battle Kat Brother Love Col. Mustafa Gen. Adnan Dustin Rhodes Beverly Brothers Bob Backlund - and Mr. Backlund attires Tenryu Terrific Terry Taylor Brutus the Barber Beefcake - Mega Maniacs attire Heavenly Bodies Well Dunn Owen Hart - the Rocket and King of Harts versions Rock and Roll Express Kwang Kabuki Jim Neidhart - 1994 attire New Headshrinkers heel Tatanka Underfaker MVP Abe Knuckleball Schwartz Skip Zip Barry Horowitz Hunter Hearst Helmsley Dean Douglas Jacob & Eli Blu Rad Radford Brian Pillman the Ringmaster Steve Austin John/Justin Hawk Bradshaw Buddy Landell Some that could use an update: Hart Foundation - not a fan of Mattel's version Ravishing Rick Rude - not a fan of Hasbro's version Chico Santana - pre-Matador era Honky Tonk Man - in wrestling tights Big John Studd - Mattel's version isn't that bad, but I wouldn't mind seeing Hasttels or Zombie take a crack at it. Earthquake - Canadian Earthquake and Natural Disasters attire Tugboat - not a fan of Mattel's version. I believe vintagefigs1 has the original Hasbro mold, I would like someone to make one that looks like that one. Bolsheviks - we're getting Boris, but we need a Nikolai. Warlord - singles run without entrance gear (just wrestling attire) or with removable entrance gear. Sgt. Slaughter - Iraqi-sympathizer Ultimate Warrior - 1992 singlet and 1996 return attires heel Jake the Snake - with a king cobra Nailz - the Hasbro was a bit too small Lex Luger - USA version, not a fan of Mattel's 123 Kid - attire from 1995/96 Shawn Michaels - attire from 1995/96 Diesel - attire from 1995/96 Razor Ramon - attire from 1995/96 Marty Jannetty - attire from 1995/96 Bret Hart - with Hart Foundation Jacket Jim Neidhart - with Hart Foundation Jacket Owen Hart - with Hart Foundation Jacket Brian Pillman - with Hart Foundation Jacket Goldust - not a fan of the Mattel version |
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freaqualizer
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Post by freaqualizer on Sept 12, 2024 8:30:59 GMT -5
Saying Hasbro likenesses weren’t cartoonish is completely false. lol, okay you can have your opinion but at least consider this: cartoons can be realistic and have exaggerated features and expressions all at the same time. The most accurate Hasbro still has cartoonish features, period. http://instagram.com/p/C_yzyu1uGcf They were based on likenesses though, the Warrior and Hogan sculpts for example hold up today against anything else released retro wise in terms of likeness, even all these years later. Cardona explains it better than I could but it’s one thing I agree with him on. As I said, there were obviously some misses but mostly they were great likenesses, exaggerated in some cases I’ll accept but that’s because they didn’t have the tools of today. I always think the test is if you were given a head only, can you immediately tell who it is…no chance does anyone get who these Rougeaus or Canadians are without the bodies…MAYBE Raymond because of the tache. That’s an unfair comparison. Two of the most popular wrestlers of all time with very distinctive looks against two generally bland looking wrestlers? Let’s say Rockers Shawn and Marty vs the Rougeaus or the Canadians. Or Rick Martel vs Mabel or Mo. Or IRS vs Mero. Or Flair vs Droese. The same comparison can be made the other way to prove that your claim of the G&G heads having poor likenesses is incorrect. The argument goes both ways. Hasbros are my favorite figures of all time. And I love them to death, are they perfect? No. Are they nostalgic and have a very special place in my heart and I view them through rose tinted lenses? Hell yes. Don’t let nostalgia ruin otherwise brilliant offerings from new companies who also love Hasbros as much as we do. |
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Sept 12, 2024 9:02:01 GMT -5
Saying Hasbro likenesses weren’t cartoonish is completely false. lol, okay you can have your opinion but at least consider this: cartoons can be realistic and have exaggerated features and expressions all at the same time. The most accurate Hasbro still has cartoonish features, period. http://instagram.com/p/C_yzyu1uGcf They were based on likenesses though, the Warrior and Hogan sculpts for example hold up today against anything else released retro wise in terms of likeness, even all these years later. Cardona explains it better than I could but it’s one thing I agree with him on. As I said, there were obviously some misses but mostly they were great likenesses, exaggerated in some cases I’ll accept but that’s because they didn’t have the tools of today. I always think the test is if you were given a head only, can you immediately tell who it is…no chance does anyone get who these Rougeaus or Canadians are without the bodies…MAYBE Raymond because of the tache. Hasbro also had a good size list of guys with poorly sculpted facial features: Rude, Rockers, Dusty, IRS, Martel, Scott Steiner, Adam Bomb, Nailz, Flair, and more. Each of them had other distinguishable features that made them more recognizable like a mustache or their hair color but if you were to show their unpainted head to a wrestling fan who isn’t familiar with figures, they might have difficulty identifying those wrestlers based on the shape of the head sculpt alone (Adam Bomb is kind of a harder case to argue due to the glasses). My point here is that Jacques doesn’t have any flashy features to make him instantly recognizable but the overall shape of the face and hair feel very realistic to the way in which Hasbro would have portrayed him. I do believe figure makers can do better and go back and forth with the artists a little more. Mitch does have some consistency issues right now in that some guys appear to be spot-on while others just aren’t at the bar that has been previously set. That is one thing I have been really working towards with the WSW line. It is easier said than done with some people’s faces. Going back and forth with trying to nail certain details so that a figure isn’t just the highlights of a person’s appearance. I want to help make sure the eyes are open the right amount, there is the right amount of space between the upper lip and the nose, the tip of the nose is pointed the correct direction, the hair has the right amount of detail so that it blends with the Hasbro universe, etc. I’m spending hours a week most weeks trying to help make the figures better and collectors happier. |
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on Sept 13, 2024 13:37:52 GMT -5
Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on the Hasbro thing…but one things for sure, they didn’t use arms that are smaller than the torso that’s the biggest problem for me with Raymond.
It looks like he might have done this with Brain Busters too, not sure if that’s because he’s changed the torso of Tully and now the arms aren’t a fit but just seems a real shame. By all means re-use parts but only where they fit.
I’m pulling for Mitch but the inconsistency is crazy.
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Post by hulkjoegan on Sept 13, 2024 13:52:33 GMT -5
Aren’t everyone’s arms smaller than their torso? 😂
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freaqualizer
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Post by freaqualizer on Sept 13, 2024 13:53:52 GMT -5
Aren’t everyone’s arms smaller than their torso? 😂 Not mine, brother! |
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on Sept 13, 2024 14:48:05 GMT -5
Aren’t everyone’s arms smaller than their torso? 😂 The shoulder joint is too small for the torso piece, shouldn’t be seeing torso around the shoulder 🙄🤣 |
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