TheEvilDoink1987
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Nov 29, 2023 16:06:01 GMT -5
Him coming up through the ring during the Austin/McMahon cage match at St. Valentine's Day Massacre was awesome, but do you think they should have held off on his debut?
If the plan from the start was to program him in a main event feud with "Stone Cold," perhaps they should have waited until after WrestleMania XV when his program with The Rock concluded instead of just throwing him in as an accessory piece to that angle.
By the time WrestleMania came around, I am pretty sure Big Show had already jobbed to Austin on Raw and lost a good amount of his momentum in the process. He was holding a 2×4 as a forgotten member of The Union about a month later.
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Post by The Brain on Nov 29, 2023 16:12:59 GMT -5
Him being Vince's ace in the hole so to speak post Mania to get the belt off Austin wouldve been ideal
But I liked the way they introduced em at VDM. Such a great visual him coming up from the ring like that
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Post by Evil Abed on Nov 29, 2023 16:17:02 GMT -5
His debut and booking after was certainly weird. I would guess Vince looked at it him in WCW as the next “Andre Spectacle” and was almost immediately disappointed with what he signed.
If you look at his first year run, he was heel then face then heel again then face again before years end and then back to heel at the start of 2000. He was having matches with Bob Holly and paired him with Taker - usually a sign that they think the guy is green and needs someone ton guide him.
In a fantasy world, I would imagine Big Shows booking would have looked something like this - dominating the roster between Mania and Summerslam and then getting his shot at Austin and the WWF title at Summerslam 1999 ina. “Mega Attraction Match” because I doubt Vince had big plans at the time of Feb/March for either Triple H or Mankind come August. But again I would guess that management probably didnt feel like it was a great idea to back Big Show and went the other way over time. I mean by 2000 he was demoted to OVW to lose weight. I think they had lost a significant amount of faith in him since his debut.
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TheEvilDoink1987
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Nov 29, 2023 16:19:24 GMT -5
Him being Vince's ace in the hole so to speak post Mania to get the belt off Austin wouldve been ideal But I liked the way they introduced em at VDM. Such a great visual him coming up from the ring like that Very true it was a great visual. I just don't think that storyline needed extra sizzle with WrestleMania on the horizon. The WWF was on fire in early 1999 and the Austin/Corporation angle was the driving force on TV. It is almost as if they just didn't have the discipline to leave a bullet in the chamber for later. |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Nov 29, 2023 16:25:12 GMT -5
His debut and booking after was certainly weird. I would guess Vince looked at it him in WCW as the next “Andre Spectacle” and was almost immediately disappointed with what he signed. If you look at his first year run, he was heel then face then heel again then face again before years end and then back to heel at the start of 2000. He was having matches with Bob Holly and paired him with Taker - usually a sign that they think the guy is green and needs someone ton guide him. In a fantasy world, I would imagine Big Shows booking would have looked something like this - dominating the roster between Mania and Summerslam and then getting his shot at Austin and the WWF title at Summerslam 1999 ina. “Mega Attraction Match” because I doubt Vince had big plans at the time of Feb/March for either Triple H or Mankind come August. But again I would guess that management probably didnt feel like it was a great idea to back Big Show and went the other way over time. I mean by 2000 he was demoted to OVW to lose weight. I think they had lost a significant amount of faith in him since his debut. For all of their faults, WCW did a way better job of portraying him as a GIANT than the WWF. That first year was just the tip of the iceberg when it came to all of the face/heel turns Big Show would endure in his two decades with the company. |
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Post by The Brain on Nov 29, 2023 16:34:13 GMT -5
His debut and booking after was certainly weird. I would guess Vince looked at it him in WCW as the next “Andre Spectacle” and was almost immediately disappointed with what he signed. If you look at his first year run, he was heel then face then heel again then face again before years end and then back to heel at the start of 2000. He was having matches with Bob Holly and paired him with Taker - usually a sign that they think the guy is green and needs someone ton guide him. In a fantasy world, I would imagine Big Shows booking would have looked something like this - dominating the roster between Mania and Summerslam and then getting his shot at Austin and the WWF title at Summerslam 1999 ina. “Mega Attraction Match” because I doubt Vince had big plans at the time of Feb/March for either Triple H or Mankind come August. But again I would guess that management probably didnt feel like it was a great idea to back Big Show and went the other way over time. I mean by 2000 he was demoted to OVW to lose weight. I think they had lost a significant amount of faith in him since his debut.
That first year was just the tip of the iceberg when it came to all of the face/heel turns Big Show would endure in his two decades with the company. Plus we didnt see no top rope moves like we did in WCW either |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Nov 29, 2023 17:55:59 GMT -5
His WWE Debut was one of the worst ever IMO.
He comes up through the ring and botches his attack on Austin by breaking the cage which costs Vince the match. Then he looks on with a pissed off expression while a confused Vince looked on.
It immediately made him look like a fool.
For the rest of 1999 they just didn't know what to do with him. I think he turned 5 times in that one year.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Nov 29, 2023 19:08:49 GMT -5
Immediately fed to Austin then paired with Taker to eat pinfalls. Even though he got the strap. One of the worst first years.
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TheEvilDoink1987
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Nov 29, 2023 21:53:56 GMT -5
Immediately fed to Austin then paired with Taker to eat pinfalls. Even though he got the strap. One of the worst first years. By the time he got the belt at Survivor Series, the damage was done. |
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Post by hbkjason on Nov 30, 2023 0:30:24 GMT -5
WCW Giant over Big Show any day for me, I always say, he comes across as a super nice guy, but Big Show flat out sucks, the laziest performer I have ever seen!
His debut at the time was cool, I was shocked that The Giant had just shown up and he threw Austin through the damn cage! However, for such a big marquee singing, his use throughout the rest of that year was terrible. However, to be fair to the WWF creative team, The Big Show that they got and The Giant they thought they were singing were two very different things, he sucked in the ring plain and simple and was boring as hell on the mic too.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Nov 30, 2023 18:19:24 GMT -5
Immediately fed to Austin then paired with Taker to eat pinfalls. Even though he got the strap. One of the worst first years. 2000 was no better either. He becomes Shane McMahon's bitch, then the impersonator gimmick with stuff like Showkishi and The Big Showboski. Then he ends his run by getting chock slammed off the stage by The Undertaker. Hard to believe a great character like The Giant could be mistreated in such a way. |
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Post by JokerFC on Nov 30, 2023 18:52:30 GMT -5
He was a flop in WWF.
Used in situations he shouldn't have been: Austins replacement at SSeries 99
Not used in situations he should've been: Invasion
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Nov 30, 2023 18:54:00 GMT -5
Immediately fed to Austin then paired with Taker to eat pinfalls. Even though he got the strap. One of the worst first years. 2000 was no better either. He becomes Shane McMahon's bitch, then the impersonator gimmick with stuff like Showkishi and The Big Showboski. Then he ends his run by getting chock slammed off the stage by The Undertaker. Hard to believe a great character like The Giant could be mistreated in such a way. He should have rehabbed after Mania as a monster babyface. Squash matches vs guys on the roster that built to a Shane rematch where he'd win. Sadly he got sent to fat camp (OVW) by the summer |
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Nov 30, 2023 19:40:38 GMT -5
Great debut but he was always the best during late 02 for me, even ECW 2006 tbh.
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Post by mcfclee on Dec 4, 2023 9:04:47 GMT -5
Loved the debut but downhill from there. Should not have had a match until mania and then gone on a streak leading to friction with the corporation way down the line.
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 10, 2023 12:09:49 GMT -5
Coming up through the ring was a cool debut. Costing Mr McMahon the match by throwing Austin through the cage was stupid.
I’d have debuting him during the Rock/Mankind match where he costs Foley the title. Show still gets a cool debut but doesn’t look like an idiot giving Austin the win.
Then in the lead up to WM they could still tease tension between Rock, Big Show, and McMahon, with Vince favoring Show over the Rock as his next corporate champion. Also, don’t have Austin beat Show literally weeks after he debuted. Stupid as hell.
Then after Backlash you have a reason for Rock turning face as McMahon chose to go with Big Show, and you have Austin’s next feud already set to go.
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Post by Papi Joker on Dec 10, 2023 16:42:29 GMT -5
His whole career in WWE is a GIANT rib
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