|
Post by ASR (therockisback) on Sept 6, 2024 12:51:50 GMT -5
They just need better storylines for most of the talent. They also gotta aim to attract a more casual audience instead of the usual loyal fanbase. Screw the casual fans. They don't spend money on the promotion anyway. If the show is good, it will attract anyone, hardcore fan or not. As long as the product is good & booming, its a win.
|
|
switchbladeera
Superstar
Joined on: Oct 22, 2023 19:31:26 GMT -5
Posts: 518
|
Post by switchbladeera on Sept 6, 2024 12:54:50 GMT -5
Just trying to dodge a million quote chains lol: Lone WölfI think** it has a lot more to do with just the sheer volume of wrestling around, and them overdoing it in key markets i.e. Chicago, Vegas, etc. Heck even their first full Canadian tour. They hit Edmonton, Calgary, Regina, and Saskatoon all within a month. We're all the same audience there! If they were more spread out I'd have gone to all 4, but they were so close together it was impossible to justify. I think there's also likely a large portion that they lost when things were rough (Re: around the time Punk got fired and the disaster that was the MJF/Adam Cole storyline) that just haven't come back and have moved on. I don't know how you convince those people to give it a second chance. Could also be a large portion where people are just busy. There are a lot of things we can be entertained with and sometimes we just fall out of them even if the quality is still high. I love tennis, I don't really watch it anymore. I watched playoff hockey for the first time in like six years this year. Quality of the game is actually higher, just not high enough on my priority chain. I'm guessing for a lot of folks, that's what wrestling is. I could be way off. And yes, a packed stadium is way better. Heck we only had 2500 in Regina or something like that, but it was a small building and jam packed, and it sounded louder on tv there than a half full larger arena in Calgary did! ASR (therockisback) We've heard this "casual fan" thing for 5 straight years now. Who are these people? How do you appeal to them? Hangman burning Swerve's childhood home down seems like a pretty "casual fan" friendly idea.
|
|
switchbladeera
Superstar
Joined on: Oct 22, 2023 19:31:26 GMT -5
Posts: 518
|
Post by switchbladeera on Sept 6, 2024 12:56:54 GMT -5
I saw this today- and this is my biggest concern I DO want them to turn this around This is absolutely a huge concern. My biggest concern too. TV ratings aren't great, but they're still consistently top 5 on Wednesdays, often winning, so they'll still get a really good TV deal even if it isn't what it could have been in 2021. Attendance is the big danger, and it's in a lot of trouble. I'm hoping* breaking into some new markets like Australia and trying to do more of those things could help, they've definitely killed a few of their key markets.
|
|
|
Post by ASR (therockisback) on Sept 6, 2024 13:01:21 GMT -5
Just trying to dodge a million quote chains lol: Lone WölfI think** it has a lot more to do with just the sheer volume of wrestling around, and them overdoing it in key markets i.e. Chicago, Vegas, etc. Heck even their first full Canadian tour. They hit Edmonton, Calgary, Regina, and Saskatoon all within a month. We're all the same audience there! If they were more spread out I'd have gone to all 4, but they were so close together it was impossible to justify. I think there's also likely a large portion that they lost when things were rough (Re: around the time Punk got fired and the disaster that was the MJF/Adam Cole storyline) that just haven't come back and have moved on. I don't know how you convince those people to give it a second chance. Could also be a large portion where people are just busy. There are a lot of things we can be entertained with and sometimes we just fall out of them even if the quality is still high. I love tennis, I don't really watch it anymore. I watched playoff hockey for the first time in like six years this year. Quality of the game is actually higher, just not high enough on my priority chain. I'm guessing for a lot of folks, that's what wrestling is. I could be way off. And yes, a packed stadium is way better. Heck we only had 2500 in Regina or something like that, but it was a small building and jam packed, and it sounded louder on tv there than a half full larger arena in Calgary did! ASR (therockisback) We've heard this "casual fan" thing for 5 straight years now. Who are these people? How do you appeal to them? Hangman burning Swerve's childhood home down seems like a pretty "casual fan" friendly idea. Whoever is willing to watch & attend shows lol, casual or loyal fans. I just wanna see em shine as a company
|
|
|
Post by ASR (therockisback) on Sept 6, 2024 13:03:08 GMT -5
The audience they've lost is part of their og audience, and the complaints were that it was becoming too much like WWE. Problem 1 - part of the OG audience is gone Problem 2 - being too much like WWE isn't drawing in WWE fans You've said you think the roster and wrestling is better than ever. Stories, too. So where are the numbers to prove it? I can understand the cable argument and people watching in various ways but what I don't get is the low attendance. Tickets never seem too expensive imo so if the wrestling is THAT good and there's a big sector of hardcores that think everyone is missing out.. seems like a lot of people are missing out Make no mistake. I want AEW with weekly attendance that rivals WWE. Beats WWE. I want Monday Night War vibes. I want the bickering and back and forth and shots fired and talent switching sides. AEW has some great stuff. Also not so great stuff and that comes with the territory but there's been a significant drop off in viewership and attendance. To each their own but I'd rather watch a game in a packed stadium. They might have had a great game down the road where attendance was low but it's hard to beat the live feel of a packed arena plus it looks and sounds better on TV This is all my opinion tho and some folks have a hard time with that Exactly brother. I just wanna have em all succeed. The business gotta stay booming. It's always great to hear the success stories instead of the negative aspects.
|
|
|
Post by Lone Wölf on Sept 6, 2024 13:12:43 GMT -5
switchbladeera I can't help but put most of the blame on the Punk/Elite situation. Compound that with the Bucks antics/character work... it leaves a bad taste in the mouth of many I have no issue with saying that while I was never a Bucks fan, I see them as a complete joke these days and I don't think I'm alone. Also much like with Jericho, whoever is in the feud/segment with the Bucks gets dragged down Kenny seems to be the only one to have ever had a level head about all that drama and it's a shame how it all worked out
|
|
|
Post by CM Tusk on Sept 6, 2024 13:14:45 GMT -5
I admittedly only got into the company because Punk. I’d sh** on the product here for the first two years because I hated most of what they put on. Childish behavior on my part. Since actually becoming a fan, I can say I love what AEW has become, even after Punk left. I want them to succeed.
|
|
switchbladeera
Superstar
Joined on: Oct 22, 2023 19:31:26 GMT -5
Posts: 518
|
Post by switchbladeera on Sept 6, 2024 13:22:19 GMT -5
switchbladeera I can't help but put most of the blame on the Punk/Elite situation. Compound that with the Bucks antics/character work... it leaves a bad taste in the mouth of many I have no issue with saying that while I was never a Bucks fan, I see them as a complete joke these days and I don't think I'm alone. Also much like with Jericho, whoever is in the feud/segment with the Bucks gets dragged down Kenny seems to be the only one to have ever had a level head about all that drama and it's a shame how it all worked out I think that's pretty fair. Even before the Punk situation I think Cody leaving had a bigger negative effect than most want to come to terms with. They were both very significant blows to viewership
|
|
|
Post by Lone Wölf on Sept 6, 2024 13:43:02 GMT -5
@switchbaldeera for completely different reasons, too. Imo
I think Cody leaving and immediately becoming a top 2 or 3 guy in WWE did hurt to some degree but I think Cody's biggest impact was behind the scenes. Dude was not perfect but I think he did a whole lot of good
Punk I miss on TV. Him in AEW just felt so right
|
|
switchbladeera
Superstar
Joined on: Oct 22, 2023 19:31:26 GMT -5
Posts: 518
|
Post by switchbladeera on Sept 7, 2024 11:09:34 GMT -5
I think the one thing that's going to be really interesting with this new tv deal is how they utilize the budget increase. They already pay top money for talent, in many cases people are getting more than they would in WWE (and yes, for some the reverse absolutely holds true too). Do they invest in more backstage roles, do they explore more internationally, modify the us travel schedule so they stop killing markets?((Hint hint lol)). Or do they just call it all profit and change nothing...
|
|
|
Post by ASR (therockisback) on Sept 7, 2024 12:34:35 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Lone Wölf on Sept 8, 2024 8:27:36 GMT -5
I think the one thing that's going to be really interesting with this new tv deal is how they utilize the budget increase. They already pay top money for talent, in many cases people are getting more than they would in WWE (and yes, for some the reverse absolutely holds true too). Do they invest in more backstage roles, do they explore more internationally, modify the us travel schedule so they stop killing markets?((Hint hint lol)). Or do they just call it all profit and change nothing... Cut unnecessary talent, revamp the touring schedule to hopefully avoid current and future market burnout and ideally Tony puts some better creative people in place. Tony is a hell of a match maker but they've got to develop some stories that connect with a wider audience. Imo
|
|
|
Post by hitmancmedge on Sept 8, 2024 9:27:28 GMT -5
A lot of attempted murder being committed on AEW Television 😂
|
|
|
Post by rkmo: Just a Fact of Life on Sept 8, 2024 12:53:24 GMT -5
I hope that thar be sarcasm
|
|
|
Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Sept 8, 2024 13:37:54 GMT -5
I think the one thing that's going to be really interesting with this new tv deal is how they utilize the budget increase. They already pay top money for talent, in many cases people are getting more than they would in WWE (and yes, for some the reverse absolutely holds true too). Do they invest in more backstage roles, do they explore more internationally, modify the us travel schedule so they stop killing markets?((Hint hint lol)). Or do they just call it all profit and change nothing... The TV deal will not change anything. Tony Khan has more money than WWE. He’s been able to operate taking a financial loss 5 years in a row because his father has 13.3 billion dollars. The amount of money that the TV deal is worth is literally inconsequential. The new deal could be more, less, or the same as what they have now….it literally doesn’t matter. What needs to change in AEW is up to Tony finally admitting what he’s doing isn’t working. There is nothing AEW cannot afford right now if Tony decided he wanted to make changes. He does not want to make changes.
|
|
switchbladeera
Superstar
Joined on: Oct 22, 2023 19:31:26 GMT -5
Posts: 518
|
Post by switchbladeera on Sept 8, 2024 14:35:41 GMT -5
So what changes would you make? And not something general like "better stories". Tell me what that is then, what is a "better story?" Etc.
Watching from the start I've seen a ton of changes. Some I've liked, some I really haven't lol. Some I've really, really not liked (the camera cuts are starting to get bad imo)
Edit: I'm being 💯 serious here in that I'm genuinely asking, not trying to be a snarky jerk.
|
|
|
Post by K5 on Sept 8, 2024 15:33:39 GMT -5
rewatched Omega/Ospreay from Forbidden Door
so happy we got this match even if Omega was hurting
|
|
|
Post by ASR (therockisback) on Sept 8, 2024 15:45:53 GMT -5
So what changes would you make? And not something general like "better stories". Tell me what that is then, what is a "better story?" Etc. Watching from the start I've seen a ton of changes. Some I've liked, some I really haven't lol. Some I've really, really not liked (the camera cuts are starting to get bad imo) We just need multiple guys involved in any kind of storyline. AEW has had many great ones recently. I don't know what it'll take but I just hope that they can turn things around. Get better tickets sales. The ratings should get better as well but the networks seem to be fine with it anyways.
|
|
|
Post by ASR (therockisback) on Sept 8, 2024 18:03:00 GMT -5
Fun times
|
|
|
Post by ASR (therockisback) on Sept 8, 2024 20:13:58 GMT -5
|
|