TheEvilDoink1987
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Feb 15, 2024 22:07:06 GMT -5
Before Hogan got involved, the story goes that Bret was planned to go over Yokozuna and retain the belt at WrestleMania IX. I am the biggest Bret Hart fan you could ever ask for, but does anybody else think that Yoko should have been booked to win?
He came in with so much momentum as this monster bad guy and dominated the Rumble match. This was also during a time when the company was dangerously low on credible main event heels so he was most definitely a rare breed in more ways than one.
At least with the way the Hogan aftermath unfolded, Yoko was able to save face because he had just wrestled a match so the excuses that he was exhausted and caught off guard were immediately built in to maintain his dominant aura. Nobody should ever complain about losing to a guy like Bret Hart, but I just feel like a clean loss here would have really derailed Yokozuna even worse.
I don't know how you book him moving forward if the match ends with Bret locking him in the Sharpshooter.
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Post by The Brain on Feb 15, 2024 22:18:28 GMT -5
Yeah he was built up for 6 months in the heel monster role so him winning the belt here was def the way to go.I know during these days they always wanted to end their big events on happy notes but Yoko was the big new heel here. Have Bret do all he can to take the big man down but in the end it isnt enough and is dethroned. No salt finish either just have the Bonzai Drop end it. Continue to make that the most devastating finisher in the company
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Post by The Brain on Feb 15, 2024 22:28:26 GMT -5
Oh yeah gotta get this in... WM IX on RWN March 16th special start time of 2pm ET!  |
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Post by JokerFC on Feb 15, 2024 22:47:02 GMT -5
I think a Yoko loss would likely have seen Luger remain heel & feud with Bret in the Summer and I think that may have been an early plan...
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Feb 15, 2024 22:51:46 GMT -5
Yeah he was built up for 6 months in the heel monster role so him winning the belt here was def the way to go.I know during these days they always wanted to end their big events on happy notes but Yoko was the big new heel here. Have Bret do all he can to take the big man down but in the end it isnt enough and is dethroned. No salt finish either just have the Bonzai Drop end it. Continue to make that the most devastating finisher in the company That's a great point with how things ended up playing out. Not only did Yokozuna look bad because he lost the title after having it for only about a minute, but like you said he had to cheat to even win it. The way you depicted that match should've been exactly how it played out with Bret playing the scrappy underdog, but Yokozuna winning decisively. |
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Post by hitmancmedge on Feb 15, 2024 22:57:26 GMT -5
Bret and Luger was always the house show plan following mania, Bret is my favorite of all time, but yea in that case having Yoko win the title at 9 and have Bret chase for a year would have been the way to go storyline wise. Almost like you keep everything the same and just subtract Hogan. Yokozuna feuds with Hacksaw post mania like he did, then do Crush at the KOTR, and everything else just the same, Lex, Taker, and then Bret at mania X
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Post by hbkjason on Feb 16, 2024 0:36:08 GMT -5
I love Bret, but Yokozuna winning the title was the right call, it was also the first Mania to have the winner of the Rumble getting a title shot. Keep it as is, but without the Hogan BS at the end.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Feb 16, 2024 2:53:26 GMT -5
Yoko kind of had to win the belt at Wrestlemania no matter what.
To this day I wish they would have just had Hogan and Beefcake win the Tag Titles as the main event and had Yoko vs. Bret go on in the middle of the card with the WWF Title change.
Then the WWF could have had two major house shows happening nightly with on one show Yoko vs. Bret in rematches and in the other Hogan/Beefcake vs. Money Inc. in rematches.
But Hogan had to pull his power and Vince still was drinking that Hogan koolaid that nobody else was drinking at the time, and put Hogan out there as WWF Champion and fans were like... "nah, we don't want that anymore."
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Post by JimRiga on Feb 16, 2024 8:12:35 GMT -5
I can’t fully recall now, but wasn’t Bret vs Hogan meant to happen at SummerSlam and wasn’t the plan for Bret to retain the title?
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Post by MKSavage on Feb 16, 2024 9:27:42 GMT -5
I can’t fully recall now, but wasn’t Bret vs Hogan meant to happen at SummerSlam and wasn’t the plan for Bret to retain the title? That was the idea, but I don't think it got past the point of asking Hogan. Once Hogan turned it down, that was the end of it. |
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Post by JimRiga on Feb 16, 2024 11:20:51 GMT -5
I can’t fully recall now, but wasn’t Bret vs Hogan meant to happen at SummerSlam and wasn’t the plan for Bret to retain the title? That was the idea, but I don't think it got past the point of asking Hogan. Once Hogan turned it down, that was the end of it. Bret is such a massive legend and yet I feel these alternative plans for wins over Hogan and Warrior would have made him even bigger. Retrospectively, at least he didn’t need them. Although I would loved to have seen them!! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2024 11:43:39 GMT -5
Yoko kind of had to win the belt at Wrestlemania no matter what. To this day I wish they would have just had Hogan and Beefcake win the Tag Titles as the main event and had Yoko vs. Bret go on in the middle of the card with the WWF Title change. Then the WWF could have had two major house shows happening nightly with on one show Yoko vs. Bret in rematches and in the other Hogan/Beefcake vs. Money Inc. in rematches. But Hogan had to pull his power and Vince still was drinking that Hogan koolaid that nobody else was drinking at the time, and put Hogan out there as WWF Champion and fans were like... "nah, we don't want that anymore." i was hopin for all 3 title changes at wm9 |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Feb 16, 2024 13:34:34 GMT -5
Yoko kind of had to win the belt at Wrestlemania no matter what. To this day I wish they would have just had Hogan and Beefcake win the Tag Titles as the main event and had Yoko vs. Bret go on in the middle of the card with the WWF Title change. Then the WWF could have had two major house shows happening nightly with on one show Yoko vs. Bret in rematches and in the other Hogan/Beefcake vs. Money Inc. in rematches. But Hogan had to pull his power and Vince still was drinking that Hogan koolaid that nobody else was drinking at the time, and put Hogan out there as WWF Champion and fans were like... "nah, we don't want that anymore." i was hopin for all 3 title changes at wm9 Agreed. Tatanka had the undefeated streak sure, but I really think a run with the Intercontinental title could've elevated him even further. His opening match with Shawn was pretty damn good too and one of the best that afternoon. Just a shame that it was spoiled by a truly lame finish. Come to think of it, this event had way too many crap finishes. Two matches were called for disqualification, another by countout and most of the others ended with some form of cheating or controversy with the exception of Steiners/Headshrinkers - the best match on the card - and Razor/Backlund - a meaningless dud. I will always have a ton of nostalgia for WrestleMania IX, but it is easy to see why it ranks so low for many people. |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Feb 16, 2024 13:57:20 GMT -5
I think a Yoko loss would likely have seen Luger remain heel & feud with Bret in the Summer and I think that may have been an early plan... Good point. I always forget they shot that angle where Lex knocked out Bret with his loaded forearm at a press conference that weekend. I know they had some matches together on the overseas tour after WrestleMania, but it always felt like there were bigger plans for a main event feud between the two seeing as how the WWF planted those seeds. They could've had some really good matches in that era. Bret was able to work with anybody and brought out the best in everyone in contrast to Luger whose style benefitted from being in the ring with the right person to make him look like a million bucks. What could have been... |
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Feb 17, 2024 19:39:46 GMT -5
Yoko should have won it tbh. I'm also probably the only guy who didn't really mind Hogan leaving WM9 as the Champ lol.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2024 19:55:04 GMT -5
Yoko should have won it tbh. I'm also probably the only guy who didn't really mind Hogan leaving WM9 as the Champ lol. i didnt mind it, just wish he & beefer got those tag belts instead. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Feb 17, 2024 20:21:24 GMT -5
Yoko should have won it tbh. I'm also probably the only guy who didn't really mind Hogan leaving WM9 as the Champ lol. i didnt mind it, just wish he & beefer got those tag belts instead.
I wish Beefcake got gold at SummerSlam 88, SummerSlam 90 and Wrestlemania IX.
I feel I got ripped off 3 times in that with being a hardcore Beefcake fan.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Feb 17, 2024 20:26:14 GMT -5
Yoko should have won it tbh. I'm also probably the only guy who didn't really mind Hogan leaving WM9 as the Champ lol. i didnt mind it, just wish he & beefer got those tag belts instead. It should have happened tbh |
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Feb 17, 2024 20:26:59 GMT -5
Yoko kind of had to win the belt at Wrestlemania no matter what. To this day I wish they would have just had Hogan and Beefcake win the Tag Titles as the main event and had Yoko vs. Bret go on in the middle of the card with the WWF Title change. Then the WWF could have had two major house shows happening nightly with on one show Yoko vs. Bret in rematches and in the other Hogan/Beefcake vs. Money Inc. in rematches. But Hogan had to pull his power and Vince still was drinking that Hogan koolaid that nobody else was drinking at the time, and put Hogan out there as WWF Champion and fans were like... "nah, we don't want that anymore." This is exactly how it should have gone down |
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Post by sinfony on Feb 18, 2024 18:11:31 GMT -5
Have Hogan win the tag titles earlier to pacify the Hulkamaniacs/Vince. It's much more logical to have the tag title not have to be on TV every week than it is the champion of your company, yet they let Hogan win the title and barely work for the next 8 weeks. When it comes to the WWF title, they should have had Savage cheated out of the Rumble win by Fuji and then have some heat build further with Savage ringside as the Raw commentator before WM, then do the angle with Yoko wanting to banzai squash Bret after winning a la Duggan but Savage can't handle this ringside as commo and gets involved. Fuji challenges him like the Hogan plan and wins the belt. Due to the unscheduled nature of it all it's ruled that Savage must face Yoko at KOTR in a rematch but he retains the belt anyway. You don't need to write off Yoko as the superheel, it can be a countdown or DQ end, then Bret wins KOTR and the main event for Summerslam is set: Bret vs Savage. Who wouldn't rather watch that than Yoko vs Luger?
Paterson was apparently totally cold on Savage though and thought he was washed up... a real misjudgment for the WWF to waste such a star after 1992 when it was in desperate need commercially.
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