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Post by JokerFC on May 31, 2024 12:39:07 GMT -5
Man this was some strange booking....aside from that cage match he won? Hardy was made to eat sh#t here & tell everyone how good it tasted.
They obviously seen a bigger upside in Edge & the heat off this feud genuinely did propel him to greatness but I still feel bad for Matt. It wouldn't have hurt Edge to lose...
Thoughts on this?
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Post by cordless2016 on May 31, 2024 13:03:59 GMT -5
The whole feud was one sided. Edge had been marked for stardom by Vince for years, but whether it was injuries or just fans not buying into him, he struggled to reach the main event. Even when he won the MITB briefcase, he wasn’t exactly lighting the world on fire as a heel. Then he legit stole one of his best friends GFs and this is what propelled him to the top of the card for good.
As for Matt, even before this whole thing it never seemed like Vince saw him as a top star. Years back, Jeff was the one winning the IC and Hardcore Titles in memorable feuds with HHH and RVD while Matt was given a forgettable European Title run with no stories behind it. Jeff was also the one main eventing Raw with The Undertaker and feuding with Brock in 2002 while Matt was being treated as fodder by both. Hell, Jeff was given the win over Matt in their first match at Unforgiven 2001. The “Mattitude” gimmick was great and he finally seemed to shine in the CW division, but that had a self life and he was soon back to being treated as fodder by Kane where he lost his GF to him in storyline (ironic considering what actually would happen).
Now this isn’t to say it’s all on Vince’s lack of interest in Matt at the top of the card. I’ve always thought that Vince welcoming Matt back in 2005 on Raw and literally handing him the mic was Vince’s way of giving Matt and opportunity to change his mind…and Matt completely fumbled the promo. What should have been a career-defining promo, Matt seemed to be all over the place with stuff like “I hope they get hit by a car.” The promo just didn’t hit with anyone.
However, that doesn’t explain the constant ass kickings Matt took from Edge. I’m a Matt fan, but the fumbled promo combined with Vince’s lack of interest doomed him. As soon as he was banished to the B-show, he basically did nothing for the next year until Jeff returned. He then had a decent feud with MVP not long after, but not much else outside of his lackluster feud with Jeff in 2009 where he eventually was again used as fodder for CM Punk to further his brother’s feud.
I think Matt had the momentum to move up higher on the card with the feud, even with the fumbled promo. Vince just didn’t have interest in Matt moving up. He was seen as a good-hand with a ceiling in the midcard by those in charge unfortunately.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on May 31, 2024 15:16:37 GMT -5
Makes you wonder how legit the Lita cheating on Matt thing was. I know I am always one to bring up "is it a work" when it comes to these "real" wrestling situations, but I know personally, if my best friend got with my girlfriend that I loved and had sexual relations with her, I wouldn't be able to work a program with him or her.
I would want to beat the living crap out of him for destroying my life in every way possible.
And okay, we will say the thing was real, Edge got with Lita, Matt gets fired over it so he A: loses his dream job to B: get brought back in to get beat up and lose 99% of the time to the guy who took your woman. The only big win he had was Unforgiven in the cage and then gets screwed out of being on Raw just weeks later in that ladder match for the MITB contract with Lita holding onto Matt so he can't get out of the ropes on top of everything!
Just to me, if it was legit real, Matthew Moore Hardy would be a bit more angrier I feel than what they showed.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on May 31, 2024 17:51:26 GMT -5
Maybe I'm wrong but I remember Matt attacking Edge a few times from the crowd and they wouldn't refer to him by name. JR called him That Man.
Did I imagine that?
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on May 31, 2024 23:39:33 GMT -5
Matt should have won the World Title at least once after this great feud...he should have gotten a victory in this as well.
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Post by hbkjason on Jun 1, 2024 2:02:59 GMT -5
Matt looked like a complete moron here, it was impossible not to feel for the guy. Without a doubt this was what catapulted Edge to the main event scene.
I am a huge Hardys fan and loved the V1 stuff, he really got to show his personality there. I thought his stuff with MVP was great too a really fun mid card rivalry.
However, as much as I love Matt there is no denying that Jeff was the star.
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Post by LA Times on Jun 2, 2024 21:03:33 GMT -5
A lot of people have said this was more interesting than most of the storylines on TV at the time and both guys couldve been stars had it been booked correctly, but I dont think Ive seen squash matches like Edge and Matt Hardy had since the days of Mario Mancini.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jun 4, 2024 5:29:08 GMT -5
A lot of people have said this was more interesting than most of the storylines on TV at the time and both guys couldve been stars had it been booked correctly, but I dont think Ive seen squash matches like Edge and Matt Hardy had since the days of Mario Mancini. Makes you wonder if Matt was made aware that he’d look like a chump before resigning with the WWE? I remember Matt saying in an interview at the time that the WWE was his dream job, and Bruce Pritchard said on his podcast that all three agreed to work together before Matt was officially brought back. However, it’s hard to see someone in Matt’s position being that desperate to come back just to be jobbed out in literal minutes at SummerSlam by the guy who legit ruined your life. |
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 4, 2024 12:46:30 GMT -5
A lot of people have said this was more interesting than most of the storylines on TV at the time and both guys couldve been stars had it been booked correctly, but I dont think Ive seen squash matches like Edge and Matt Hardy had since the days of Mario Mancini. Makes you wonder if Matt was made aware that he’d look like a chump before resigning with the WWE? I remember Matt saying in an interview at the time that the WWE was his dream job, and Bruce Pritchard said on his podcast that all three agreed to work together before Matt was officially brought back. However, it’s hard to see someone in Matt’s position being that desperate to come back just to be jobbed out in literal minutes at SummerSlam by the guy who legit ruined your life. Yup weird situation. I have recently just re-listened to the STWW episode about this too....something just doesn't add up. |
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Jun 4, 2024 22:42:06 GMT -5
It took Matt forever to win the US Title...he should have won the IC Title as well.
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 6, 2024 8:41:04 GMT -5
It took Matt forever to win the US Title...he should have won the IC Title as well. His V1 gimmick had serious legs and was drawing good heat. he was an ideal candidate for a honky tonk style midcard title run |
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Jun 6, 2024 19:27:53 GMT -5
It took Matt forever to win the US Title...he should have won the IC Title as well. His V1 gimmick had serious legs and was drawing good heat. he was an ideal candidate for a honky tonk style midcard title run It should have happened brother. Big potential in 03. |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jun 9, 2024 7:56:51 GMT -5
Makes you wonder how legit the Lita cheating on Matt thing was. I know I am always one to bring up "is it a work" when it comes to these "real" wrestling situations, but I know personally, if my best friend got with my girlfriend that I loved and had sexual relations with her, I wouldn't be able to work a program with him or her. I would want to beat the living crap out of him for destroying my life in every way possible. And okay, we will say the thing was real, Edge got with Lita, Matt gets fired over it so he A: loses his dream job to B: get brought back in to get beat up and lose 99% of the time to the guy who took your woman. The only big win he had was Unforgiven in the cage and then gets screwed out of being on Raw just weeks later in that ladder match for the MITB contract with Lita holding onto Matt so he can't get out of the ropes on top of everything! Just to me, if it was legit real, Matthew Moore Hardy would be a bit more angrier I feel than what they showed. I tend to lean towards “everything is a work” too but on this one, the only reason I feel it might be legit is because to this day, we have never seen a Team Xtreme reunion. Whenever the Hardy’s are on screen without Lita, it’s like Kiss without a member. It’s just missing something. You never know with WWE but I would think, considering that feud didn’t make as much money at the time, and definitely isnt doing anything for them today, that they would have dropped the angle to reunite Team Xtreme at this point. I think Matt just genuinely has little fondness for Lita because of the affair |
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Post by cordless2016 on Jun 9, 2024 8:29:49 GMT -5
It took Matt forever to win the US Title...he should have won the IC Title as well. His V1 gimmick had serious legs and was drawing good heat. he was an ideal candidate for a honky tonk style midcard title run I know Brice Pritchard isn’t the most reliable source, but he mentioned on one of his podcasts that Matt requested to move to Raw to be with Lita when she returned at the end of 2003. He said this sourced Vince and the writers on Matt since they had plans for him on Smackdown but really nothing on Raw. Knowing Vince already didn’t see Matt as a top-star, this move likely killed the V1 gimmick for good. Had Matt stayed on Smackdown, I could honestly see him working with Cena for the US Title at some point in 2004. Probably not win it, but I can see them working a program together. |
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 9, 2024 8:55:11 GMT -5
His V1 gimmick had serious legs and was drawing good heat. he was an ideal candidate for a honky tonk style midcard title run I know Brice Pritchard isn’t the most reliable source, but he mentioned on one of his podcasts that Matt requested to move to Raw to be with Lita when she returned at the end of 2003. He said this sourced Vince and the writers on Matt since they had plans for him on Smackdown but really nothing on Raw. Knowing Vince already didn’t see Matt as a top-star, this move likely killed the V1 gimmick for good. Had Matt stayed on Smackdown, I could honestly see him working with Cena for the US Title at some point in 2004. Probably not win it, but I can see them working a program together. Yes I remember this actually |
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Jun 9, 2024 23:57:15 GMT -5
His V1 gimmick had serious legs and was drawing good heat. he was an ideal candidate for a honky tonk style midcard title run I know Brice Pritchard isn’t the most reliable source, but he mentioned on one of his podcasts that Matt requested to move to Raw to be with Lita when she returned at the end of 2003. He said this sourced Vince and the writers on Matt since they had plans for him on Smackdown but really nothing on Raw. Knowing Vince already didn’t see Matt as a top-star, this move likely killed the V1 gimmick for good. Had Matt stayed on Smackdown, I could honestly see him working with Cena for the US Title at some point in 2004. Probably not win it, but I can see them working a program together. Matt vs Cena in 04 sounds good. The promos & matches would have delivered. |
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