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Post by BØRNS on Aug 30, 2024 21:12:50 GMT -5
I agree that quality is generally a higher priority than mere quantity. However, I find the 5-match PLE structure problematic. Especially with a combined roster currently, we are mostly seeing the same rotation of top talent featured in matches. This really limits the showcase of the several deserving stars, and prevents the development and exposure of most of the roster. For example, Bash in Berlin has 5 matches with 12 wrestlers. Is this really the best use of talent? I also feel like the live event crowd (who by the way are paying exorbitantly MORE than ever before for tickets). Also by the nature of feuds, having a PLE match increases the chance of having a future PLE match - look at Punk and McIntyre for example. Guys that are over but just can't don't make the cut on a 5 match card really get screwed (especially considering obligatory women's match or 2 are part of that 5). I really think this will take away from the roster development if this decision is long-term. Anyone else agree?
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Aug 30, 2024 21:21:48 GMT -5
I agree tbh & I'd at times like for there to be at least another match or two, but this format really does help make RAW & SD feel much more important.
Look at Uncle Howdy vs Bo Dallas, instead of putting it on SummerSlam or Bash In Berlin, it ended up being in the main event of RAW. That was a great highlight for sure, much better than it being on some already loaded PLEs
The same goes for the US,IC, World Tag & WWE Tag Titles. Its cool for em to headline RAW/SD in the main event with lots of ring time instead of being a very short match on some stacked PLEs.
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Post by rkmo: Just a Fact of Life on Aug 30, 2024 21:59:29 GMT -5
No supportive sales from physical media, negligible financial benefit in pushing events for PPV/streaming buys. Better investment to build TV ratings up out of their shallow grave.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Aug 31, 2024 2:26:56 GMT -5
The 2hr video packages are the issue. Just downright unneccesary
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Post by CM Tusk on Aug 31, 2024 2:32:15 GMT -5
I myself am a fan. I don’t need 12 matches on a 4 hour card. Give me higher profile matches with enough time to tell actual stories. It’s what I loved about NXT Black and Gold. Not everyone made the card, but those that did got the time to give us something good. That said, I like a good even number so I’d prefer 6 matches.
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Post by JimRiga on Aug 31, 2024 3:09:44 GMT -5
I agree tbh & I'd at times like for there to be at least another match or two, but this format really does help make RAW & SD feel much more important. Look at Uncle Howdy vs Bo Dallas, instead of putting on SummerSlam or Bash In Berlin, it ended up being in the main event of RAW. That was a great highlight for sure, much better than it being on some already loaded PLEs The same goes for the US,IC, World Tag & WWE Tag Titles. Its cool for em to headline RAW/SD in the main event with lots of ring time instead of being a very short match on some stacked PLEs. Hmm, Uncle Howdy vs Bo Dallas……🤔 |
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Aug 31, 2024 5:04:00 GMT -5
Going back to brand exclusive PPV events would solve this issue
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Post by JokerFC on Aug 31, 2024 5:48:17 GMT -5
I agree tbh & I'd at times like for there to be at least another match or two, but this format really does help make RAW & SD feel much more important. Look at Uncle Howdy vs Bo Dallas, instead of putting on SummerSlam or Bash In Berlin, it ended up being in the main event of RAW. That was a great highlight for sure, much better than it being on some already loaded PLEs The same goes for the US,IC, World Tag & WWE Tag Titles. Its cool for em to headline RAW/SD in the main event with lots of ring time instead of being a very short match on some stacked PLEs. yup great point. It was good to see that kind of match that had been built up & then ME a Raw. |
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Aug 31, 2024 9:01:46 GMT -5
I agree tbh & I'd at times like for there to be at least another match or two, but this format really does help make RAW & SD feel much more important. Look at Uncle Howdy vs Bo Dallas, instead of putting on SummerSlam or Bash In Berlin, it ended up being in the main event of RAW. That was a great highlight for sure, much better than it being on some already loaded PLEs The same goes for the US,IC, World Tag & WWE Tag Titles. Its cool for em to headline RAW/SD in the main event with lots of ring time instead of being a very short match on some stacked PLEs. Hmm, Uncle Howdy vs Bo Dallas……🤔 Loool I meant Uncle Howdy / Bo Dallas vs Chad Gable 😆 🤣 😂 |
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Aug 31, 2024 9:04:21 GMT -5
I agree tbh & I'd at times like for there to be at least another match or two, but this format really does help make RAW & SD feel much more important. Look at Uncle Howdy vs Bo Dallas, instead of putting on SummerSlam or Bash In Berlin, it ended up being in the main event of RAW. That was a great highlight for sure, much better than it being on some already loaded PLEs The same goes for the US,IC, World Tag & WWE Tag Titles. Its cool for em to headline RAW/SD in the main event with lots of ring time instead of being a very short match on some stacked PLEs. yup great point. It was good to see that kind of match that had been built up & then ME a Raw. I meant to say Uncle Howdy/Bo Dallas vs Chad Gable BTW lol. Yeah it feels good having these matches built up & being the main event of RAW/SD, with proper ring time as well. Its better having 15-20 min bangers instead of a forgettable 5 min PLE match. I love making RAW/SD feel more important. |
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Post by Rocky Balboa on Aug 31, 2024 9:40:15 GMT -5
I don't think my issue is the 5 matches, it's how there is like 30 minutes between the matches. Cut half of that time, run a bunch of ads after half the show to get people a piss break and snack break and then go on at a better pace, you can fit another match in with that time if there needs to be one. But when a match is over I know I could do 15 different things and be done before they are done with the entrances for the next match.
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Post by tigerlillysingh on Aug 31, 2024 11:10:42 GMT -5
A problem is that like with how they build up these feuds now it’s almost demanded the matches go longer or are workrate feasts… back to a strict 3 hour show please, keep the action flowing.
My issue is the champions or how it’s still very very restrictive particularly with the world titles…
Cody isn’t losing until Rock or Roman are coming and everyone knows it. Priest they gave a run where it felt clear he wasn’t losing til he came up against Gunther.
Gunther is beating Orton later… k….
I can’t care, certainly not enough to sit through a 4-5 hour show to see what I already know is happening. They need to break out of this box, shake it up and make it feel uncertain.
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Post by JimRiga on Aug 31, 2024 11:12:40 GMT -5
I don't think my issue is the 5 matches, it's how there is like 30 minutes between the matches. Cut half of that time, run a bunch of ads after half the show to get people a piss break and snack break and then go on at a better pace, you can fit another match in with that time if there needs to be one. But when a match is over I know I could do 15 different things and be done before they are done with the entrances for the next match. Yea, dunno if they still do it, but the house show I went to had an intermission halfway through. Sounds like a plan. Those videos packages have shown a few times by the time the matches start. |
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Aug 31, 2024 12:04:07 GMT -5
Bad Blood should get 6 matches
Crown Jewel should get 6/7 matches
Survivor Series should get 5/6 matches
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Post by finnbalor1 on Aug 31, 2024 13:16:31 GMT -5
Im good with 5 or 6 matches tops,like others said take away 15 mins of ads/packages and give us another 15 - 20 minute match. Perfect night of wrestling imo
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Aug 31, 2024 13:42:53 GMT -5
They could trim some fat and get 6 matches on the card but overall 5 matches on a 3 hour show is near perfect for me.
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Post by Zeke on Aug 31, 2024 16:07:00 GMT -5
I would bring back brand exclusive PPVs, that way five matches for a PPV would feature most of the championships from that brand defended.
My layout would be something simular to this:
Jan: Royal Rumble: Cross Brand
Feb: No Way Out: SmackDown
Apr: WrestleMania: Cross Brand
Apr: Backlash: Raw
May: Judgement Day: SmackDown
Jun: King of the Ring: Cross Brand
Jun: Bad Blood: Raw
Jul: Night of Champions: Cross Brand
Jul: Vengeance: SmackDown
Aug: Summer Slam: Cross Brand
Sep: Unforgiven: Raw
Oct: Crown Jewel: Cross Brand
Oct: No Mercy: SmackDown
Nov: Survivor Series: Cross Brand
Dec: Armageddon: Raw
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Aug 31, 2024 16:56:58 GMT -5
This has been a huge issue for me and it seems to be a HHH thing. For such a huge roster 5 matches aren't enough to showcase talent.
Looking back at past PPV's they were stacked.
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Fully Loaded 98. 9 matches.
Backlash 2000. 9 matches.
Armageddon 2002. 8 matches.
Even the IYH PPV's had around 7 matches.
These weren't even big 4 PPV's and they were huge with stacked cards.
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Post by Quazimoto on Aug 31, 2024 17:20:50 GMT -5
I actually love the current PLE structure. Five or six matches gives each one enough time to 'cook', but doesn't overload the card, thus allowing each match and it's participants to feel special. Plus, having limited slots to fill on a PLE means RAW and SmackDown each get more high quality, high caliber matches, which is a really smart idea when broadcast contracts have become way more important to your business than PPV buys.
Bonus points for not exhausting your live and tv audience too by allowing some space between each match. I know some people hate the promo packages and ad breaks, but I've found that it allows me to both digest the match I just watched and take a breather while I get hyped for the next one. In comparison, AEW is just match after match after match with no time to let things breathe. Don't get me wrong, AEW PPVs are usually great quality when it comes to in ring action, but when you're introducing the next match while the people from the last one are still in the ring, it's too much IMHO. I much prefer the current WWE layout for PLEs.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Aug 31, 2024 20:51:38 GMT -5
I’d probably do six matches instead of five, but I do feel like 2:45-3hours is a really good time for a ppv.
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