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Post by jason88cubs on Sept 13, 2024 15:45:12 GMT -5
Got 95-96 Nitro on in background and saw the vignettes for Glacier
They started in April of 96 and e was suppose to debut at Bash of teh Beach but due to the NWO his debut got delayed until September. By that time the NWO had taken over and Glacier was done for
His first lengthly feud was with Mortis in March 1997 and his first PPV debut was Uncensored
He went almost a year before his first singles loss but did anyone care?
His first few vignettes there was some interest but once Hall and Nash came..nothing
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Post by LA Times on Sept 13, 2024 16:39:01 GMT -5
When Glacier did radio interviews after WCW folded, he would always say the gimmick didnt take off because all the vignettes and his debut was happening right at the same time as the NWO angle. He was basically Avatar with a special entrance and low key push although Ray Lloyd does have a legit karate background.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Sept 14, 2024 5:58:03 GMT -5
When Glacier did radio interviews after WCW folded, he would always say the gimmick didnt take off because all the vignettes and his debut was happening right at the same time as the NWO angle. He was basically Avatar with a special entrance and low key push although Ray Lloyd does have a legit karate background. I think what ended up being Glacier's biggest detriment was his cold disposition towards the industry. It was ice and all that he got such a cool entrance, but that was pretty much it. Icy what they were going for too with the character being molded after a ridiculously popular videogame franchise at the time. Also, like you said, his karate skills were snow joke. The guy was a legit martial artist. It was just bad timing as the business was moving away from gimmicks. He got frost in the shuffle of the crowded mid 90s WCW midcard which is a shame because I truly believe we only saw the tip of the iceberg with Glacier. Still, one of the biggest wrestling "what ifs?" after all freeze years. |
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Sept 14, 2024 11:38:37 GMT -5
All the guys Teddy Long managed: Jim Powers, Ice Train, Craig Pittman
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Post by Nivro™ on Sept 14, 2024 12:12:41 GMT -5
I dont know if the nWo affected Glacier as much as people just being overly tired of silly gimmicks did. Like if Glacier popped up on WWF TV in 1995, he would have been awesome....but WCW was never overly into corny gimmicks. It was always more about "realism" with WCW fans. It was still real to them damnit after all.
IMO the nWo affected the 4 Horsemen the most. Guys like Flair & Anderson were top bill for pretty much their entire runs with NWA/WCW but once nWo came in they essentially became jobbers for the nWo and then had lower mid card feuds with groups like Dungeon of Doom. They threw Flair a couple bones every now and then but nothing really came of it.
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Post by MKSavage on Sept 14, 2024 14:02:26 GMT -5
I don't think it affected him at all. He had a cool entrance and look, but that was it. Inside the ring, he wasn't really good. He may have been a real, highly skilled martial artist, but his moves inside the ring looked really slow. I can remember laughing at them from time to time, especially when Schiavone would do commentary trying to make them seem way faster than they were. He came to the party too late. The over-the-top gimmicks were no longer working, especially in WCW. Fans were wanting something different, more realistic personas. Even if the NWO didn't happen, I don't think he would have been a top star by any means. He would have been a mid-carder at best, still behind guys likes Hogan, Sting, Savage, Hall, Nash, Flair, Arn, Luger, Harlem Heat, the Giant, DDP, etc. I think the lucha/cruiserweight wrestlers would have been more popular than him.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Sept 14, 2024 19:33:47 GMT -5
Sting was affected, but in a good way since we ended up getting Crow Sting... without the NWO, would we ever have gotten Crow Sting? Maybe not
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