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Post by Thick Justice on Dec 10, 2007 19:36:56 GMT -5
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Post by Hollywood Asia on Dec 11, 2007 1:49:30 GMT -5
Hey UK, when is Frank booking Gail Kim again?
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Dec 11, 2007 1:57:24 GMT -5
Hey UK, when is Frank booking Gail Kim again? Not sure. It appears that it was a one time thing to draw in fans but I'm sure if there is enough interest on the boards Frank will bring her back. It might not be for awhile though now that Alicia has retired but I do believe JAPW will have somebody take her place. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Dec 11, 2007 3:27:15 GMT -5
Hey UK, when is Frank booking Gail Kim again? Never again, I hope. |
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Post by Too Sweet on Dec 11, 2007 6:05:29 GMT -5
Poster Looks alright, although the Man Up poster is awesome ^_^
EDIT: It looks like a 5 Minute rush job, has NOTHING on the Man Up poster, If ROH wants to be Professional get some decent designers.
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Post by therealjswo on Dec 11, 2007 15:01:55 GMT -5
New Jack killed a man. That's worse than anything anyone else mentioned in this thread has done. Why are you allowed to say JAPW shows are bad without seeing them, yet I can't do the same with ROH shows (I don't know why you assume I haven't seen any ROH this year)? New Jack was a legit bounty hunter, where you with him when he had to kill someone? Nope. I have seen several JAPW shows, for someone so against ROH why are you buying dvds and going to shows? Last time I checked it's 5 guys. Slyck Wanger Brown is part of BLK OUT. As I mentioned the reason Ruckus & Sabian wasn't there last night was because of the CZW show and Joker had millitary duties to take care of. Take a your own advance and watch closer. You wouldn't make so much of an ass out of yourself. Slyck is a part of the JAPW version, nowhere else due to A. He's not good enough and B. He's only booked because Frank is friends with him. Exactly my point. It wasn't suppose to be Jigsaw but it worked. How can you say the Kingston & Slyck duo sucks when you haven't even seen it yet? Do you even know why Slyck joined BLK OUT in the first place? It doesn't matter why he joined, he's only booked due to his relationship with Frank. Why is it laughable because it's something you don't agree with? It's an opinion. Things are laughable if you find them funny. It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing. That's funny, because when it involved IWA-MS and I said that I read results and buy DVD's every now and then you said that wasn't following the promotion. You once again continue to make an ass out of yourself. I don't for one minute believe you buy IWA MS shows enough to follow them properly. The JAPW board has people from other states and countrys who buy DVD's. It's not just the locals. I've seen the same ROH and CZW fans I would see at their shows come down to JAPW and enjoy themselfs. Read opinions, the majority of people do not like JAPW's booking but enjoy seeing the guys they book. If you refuse to support JAPW then why give it your time? You always come off bitter when it comes to JAPW which is funny because you always turn it around and say I'm bitter yet even though I don't agree with everything ROH does I do go to shows and enjoy myself. I'm getting really bored with it now though. Say what you will about JAPW's booking and I'm sure you will deny this but the ROH storylines are falling apart. Gabe doesn't know where to go with a few things and everything is turning into one big cluster  . If I'm getting dvds sent to me, I'm supporting the company. What doesn't make sense about that? Storylines falling a part is histerical. For someone who follows the shows and what not you sure aren't really smart enough to hang with the rest of us who follow each and every angle. It doesn't take much to know what is going on. |
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Dec 11, 2007 17:24:07 GMT -5
It doesn't matter who he's friends with. If something works it works. As I just said, it doesn't matter who he's friends with if something works. This is just further proof that YOU'RE the one who don't follow things close enough as first you had no idea Slyck was part of BLK OUT and secondly you have no idea why he joined. Why bash JAPW if you don't even know what the is going on? Getting DVD's sent to you, most likely for free is not supporting the product but your past posts have proved that you haven't seen very much JAPW this year. Again if you don't know what the hell is going on(which you have proved you don't) then you should keep your mouth shut. As far as ROH goes, yes the storylines are falling apart. How are we suppose to believe that Hero can beat Nigel for the title when an injured Nigel beat Hero? Why are Nigel and Strong feuding over what belt is better when Strong hardly ever even defends the title. The feud is being rushed. Why is Danielson getting a title shot at Nigel when he can't even beat Jimmy Jacobs? Why does Gabe book a match between the NRC and the Vulture Squad only to decide not to do it? How come Gabe pairs someone who should be main eventing like Albright with BJ Whitmer and Adam Pearce? They get zero reaction. Why is Claudio & Hero feuding when Claudio beats him in every match they have? Oh and don't get me started on Gabe booking the Resilience awful and then trying to cover it up with Aries wanting to go after the world title. The only feud that makes sense is Danielson/Morishima. The Briscoes and the AOTF might make sense also but the matches so far have been very repetitive. |
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on Dec 11, 2007 18:39:12 GMT -5
For the kind of stuff that ROH does I dont think that it's that creative but it stands on it's own for what the main event is.
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Post by therealjswo on Dec 11, 2007 22:13:41 GMT -5
Getting DVD's sent to you, most likely for free is not supporting the product but your past posts have proved that you haven't seen very much JAPW this year. Again if you don't know what the hell is going on(which you have proved you don't) then you should keep your mouth shut. There's only one promotion that sends me free stuff and that's because I work for them in Cleveland. I pay for my JAPW, just like the rest of you people. Calm down, it's only wrestling. As far as ROH goes, yes the storylines are falling apart. How are we suppose to believe that Hero can beat Nigel for the title when an injured Nigel beat Hero? Fighting spirit may not be invogue to people such as yourself, but if you saw the match and knew the subsequent storyline being built around the entire finish(where Hero actually did beat Nigel but the ref thought Nigel had the rope first). Sweeney is getting Hero his own ref, you seem to be the only one who doesn't get this one. Why are Nigel and Strong feuding over what belt is better when Strong hardly ever even defends the title. The feud is being rushed. Competition is what ROH is all about. Strong wants to be the top guy and feels Nigel isn't living up to his belt's importance so he's claiming to be the top guy. Nigel is claiming to be the top guy and will challenge Roddy. Not hard at all. How is this being rushed at all? They started cheap shotting each other in California back in October, the first match is in January. You're reaching with this. Why is Danielson getting a title shot at Nigel when he can't even beat Jimmy Jacobs? ROH is rewarding him for defending the company against Morishima and his reign of terror. Plus beating the former champ on 12/29 leading into Final Battle explains itself. Why does Gabe book a match between the NRC and the Vulture Squad only to decide not to do it? The building told him he can't do the match. He'll be doing it in Jersey or Boston. There's no angle behind it. How come Gabe pairs someone who should be main eventing like Albright with BJ Whitmer and Adam Pearce? They get zero reaction. Adam Pearce is a great talker, ALBRIGHT and BJ aren't. ROH is using the unit concept like Dragon Gate where everyone is grouped together to defend themselves against others. Their positioning in the card is irrelevent, because it's about your army against other army's. Obviously you don't follow DG or you'd know that. Why is Claudio & Hero feuding when Claudio beats him in every match they have? Hero's gimmick is the big name athlete that comes up short because of his ego. Why devalue the gimmick when you can keep the gimmick going and build Claudio by beating him? Oh and don't get me started on Gabe booking the Resilience awful and then trying to cover it up with Aries wanting to go after the world title. Considering Matt(M-Dogg to the rest of you) isn't back from injury yet you have no idea where the group is going. Yes Aries disbanded the group, but he was booked to face Stevens in Chicago to start that feud. Aries has twice disbanded/fired stable members and it built into feuds. The only feud that makes sense is Danielson/Morishima. The Briscoes and the AOTF might make sense also but the matches so far have been very repetitive. LOL on the Briscoe/AOTF matches being reptitive. Last I checked every hate filled brawl was pretty similar and just had different wrestlers involved. |
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Dec 11, 2007 23:36:26 GMT -5
As you said to Kev with ROH, Why buy DVD's from a promotion if it's so bad? If it's as bad as you say it is, don't waste your time or money. By supporting the company you're only helping it and why would you wanna do that if the promotion is as bad as you claim?
I understand that Sweeney is getting his own ref but that still doesn't change the fact that the match made Hero look weak. Apparently I'm not the only one who "doesn't get this" as I have seen people on here and the ROH board who think it's horrible booking on Gabe's part.
It's being rushed because Strong has defended the FIP Title what? Once in the last 4 months? How can Strong claim it's the top title if he doesn't even defend it?
I do not buy Dragon Gate DVD's you are right but I do know that stables are a huge part of Dragon Gate and that is why ROH is doing it that still doesn't mean that Albright shouldn't be a main eventer now because Pearce and Whitmer's careers were headed down the toilet. I've even seen you say that ROH dropped the ball with Albright on this one so to defend it here is hilarious. I get why ROH is doing the stable but that doesn't mean that it's any good.
Or less Hero beats Claudio on the 29th which isn't happening than the feud has been booked horrible. The two should be having back and forth wins. Claudio beating Hero every time is just weak and makes Hero look like a joke. How you can deny ROH jobbing out Hero is beyond me but it doesn't surprise me.
I don't know what it's future is, you're right but that doesn't mean that Gabe didn't book them horrible. Gabe can try to turn it around now but the truth is Gabe booked the Resilience like crapand hopefully they will not come back as a stable. Aries is much better off on his own.
Not true. I see people pull out new **** all the time. The Briscoes/Steenerico feud pulled out a lot of cool **** and most recently at JAPW during the three way tag I seen a lot of cool **** that I have never seen pulled out before like a Border Toss into the wall and a powerbomb lungblower into a top rope double stomp. All brawls aren't the same, most of the time you see something cool being pulled out. The brawls with the Briscoes and the AOTF is the same **** we seen a million times which is the same reason I didn't care much for Rhino vs Butcher from the JAPW Anniversary show. Necro Butcher while I do think he busts his ass, has become stale and has shown nothing new recently anywhere he works.
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Post by Hollywood Asia on Dec 11, 2007 23:39:43 GMT -5
Im sorry Jeff but that whole resilence stable was ing terrible... NRC is awesome though.... |
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Post by James Hetfield on Dec 11, 2007 23:40:15 GMT -5
HIGH SPOT!  |
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Post by dalethegreat on Dec 12, 2007 11:22:33 GMT -5
Grumpy, bitter wrestling fans who never say anything positive usually don't have very good lives. Hmmm. ... or maybe he just doesn't like the poster ? |
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Post by newfrigginshow on Dec 12, 2007 12:05:33 GMT -5
It's old school. Simple and to the point, you know you are going to see to guys fighting. They could put just about anything on a poster and I'm still going to watch ROH at this point.
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Post by therealjswo on Dec 13, 2007 23:37:44 GMT -5
As you said to Kev with ROH, Why buy DVD's from a promotion if it's so bad? If it's as bad as you say it is, don't waste your time or money. By supporting the company you're only helping it and why would you wanna do that if the promotion is as bad as you claim? I support indy wrestling and wrestlers I am friends with. That's why I'm still buying CZW dvds. I understand that Sweeney is getting his own ref but that still doesn't change the fact that the match made Hero look weak. Apparently I'm not the only one who "doesn't get this" as I have seen people on here and the ROH board who think it's horrible booking on Gabe's part. Except if you look up what chickencrapheels do, they lose easy matches. Booking 101. It's being rushed because Strong has defended the FIP Title what? Once in the last 4 months? How can Strong claim it's the top title if he doesn't even defend it? Several times actually, on top of his FIP defenses. I do not buy Dragon Gate DVD's you are right but I do know that stables are a huge part of Dragon Gate and that is why ROH is doing it that still doesn't mean that Albright shouldn't be a main eventer now because Pearce and Whitmer's careers were headed down the toilet. I've even seen you say that ROH dropped the ball with Albright on this one so to defend it here is hilarious. I get why ROH is doing the stable but that doesn't mean that it's any good. ROH dropped the ball on ALBRIGHT after his hot match in August with Morishima. But he's perfect as the silent assassin and is a great tag partner for BJ. They fit together like a glove. That's why it's working and nobody is complaining anymore. Or less Hero beats Claudio on the 29th which isn't happening than the feud has been booked horrible. The two should be having back and forth wins. Claudio beating Hero every time is just weak and makes Hero look like a joke. How you can deny ROH jobbing out Hero is beyond me but it doesn't surprise me. Hero is supposed to look like a joke. That's the entire point. He's the big name athlete who can't get the job done right. What do you not understand about that? I don't know what it's future is, you're right but that doesn't mean that Gabe didn't book them horrible. Gabe can try to turn it around now but the truth is Gabe booked the Resilience like **** and hopefully they will not come back as a stable. Aries is much better off on his own. That's the entire point though. Cross had to be shelved for a bit with his knee problem and with his American Gladiator try out, not to mention the NOAH tour he was supposed to do but cancelled due to his knee. Stevens did an awesome injury angle and was set to challenge the NRC again. Stevens should get his own crew, and feud with the NRC. I expect him to have a match with Aries early next year and pick up where they left off. Not true. I see people pull out new **** all the time. The Briscoes/Steenerico feud pulled out a lot of cool **** and most recently at JAPW during the three way tag I seen a lot of cool **** that I have never seen pulled out before like a Border Toss into the wall and a powerbomb lungblower into a top rope double stomp. All brawls aren't the same, most of the time you see something cool being pulled out. The brawls with the Briscoes and the AOTF is the same **** we seen a million times which is the same reason I didn't care much for Rhino vs Butcher from the JAPW Anniversary show. Necro Butcher while I do think he busts his ass, has become stale and has shown nothing new recently anywhere he works. You aren't going to get a ton of unique flippy high spots in brawls like that because Necro doesn't do that stuff and a hate filled feud isn't realistic to have flippy doo dad moves that sound like they were created in nintendo. The Briscoes/Steen & Generico feud was based around the tag belts. The AOTF/Briscoes feud is based on jealousy and pure hatred. If you are fighting someone you hate you aren't going to go out and do flippy innovative shit, you beat them with what you know how to do. |
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Dec 14, 2007 3:36:39 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if they are your "friends" or not if the product is as bad as you claim you wouldn't watch it. This is where I point and laugh.
Make all of the excuses you want. Hero is being jobbed out. That's all thats to it.
Looking at the DVD match listing to make sure I'm right, the last time Strong defended the FIP Title was against Claudio back in October as I don't recall him defending it on Glory By Honor weekend and he didn't defend it two weeks ago in the midwest. So that is once in the last 4 months considering the last time he defended it before that was at Race To The Top Night 1 in a four way. His title defenses in FIP don't count as his goal is to make it the "top title in ROH".
Albright is only teaming with Whitmer because Gabe doesn't know what to do with him.
I understand what you're saying but I'm not buying it for a second. ROH is jobbing out Hero, face it. It's okay to admit when ROH does something wrong.
Oh boy, here we go again. The Resilience have looked like crap since day one. It had nothing to do with Cross being injured. Gabe just realized he booked the Resilience like crap so now he wants to turn it around and either start from sqaure one or keep them disbanded. Which would be a much better idea at this point.
I never said I need "high spots". Every match I've seen out of the AOTF and the Briscoes have been the same as the last. They could at least pull something different out. The Briscoes & Steenerico did it in every one of their matches. The Briscoes & AOTF bring the same stuff every time just to a different town. It's punch, kick, throw them into the guard rail, hit (insert name here) with chairs, throw some chairs in the ring, hit finisher, 1 2 3 it's over. I've seen plenty of hate filled brawls that didn't involve "pointless high spots". Necro Butcher's matches are becoming no different than Rhino's where it's the same **** everytime.
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Post by therealjswo on Dec 15, 2007 16:20:00 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if they are your "friends" or not if the product is as bad as you claim you wouldn't watch it. This is where I point and laugh. When you have friends, the right thing to do is to support them. I guess you wouldn't know much about that. Make all of the excuses you want. Hero is being jobbed out. That's all thats to it. He is being jobbed out, that's the entire gimmick!!! Looking at the DVD match listing to make sure I'm right, the last time Strong defended the FIP Title was against Claudio back in October as I don't recall him defending it on Glory By Honor weekend and he didn't defend it two weeks ago in the midwest. So that is once in the last 4 months considering the last time he defended it before that was at Race To The Top Night 1 in a four way. His title defenses in FIP don't count as his goal is to make it the "top title in ROH". He's already pretty much established the belt, since he's had it for so long. He's not lost at FIP in a long time excluding the match to Erick Stevens in the Heritage Title Finals. Now with FIP running less due to Sal's wife passing he's defending it more in the near future. Albright is only teaming with Whitmer because Gabe doesn't know what to do with him. Apparantly he does know what to do with him because the Hangman 3 got a ton of heel heat in the midwest and they work great as a duo. I understand what you're saying but I'm not buying it for a second. ROH is jobbing out Hero, face it. It's okay to admit when ROH does something wrong. ROH has done plenty wrong including not pushing ALBRIGHT huge after the Morishima match. But now ALBRIGHT is in another direction as a tag team with BJ. Delirious needs a new direction and he's getting it. I can only complain and bitch about things I don't like. Hero's gimmick is being jobbed out and not getting the job done. I can't understand how you do not see that. Oh boy, here we go again. The Resilience have looked like crap since day one. It had nothing to do with Cross being injured. Gabe just realized he booked the Resilience like crap so now he wants to turn it around and either start from sqaure one or keep them disbanded. Which would be a much better idea at this point. Stevens and Cross were great together as a tag team. The match they had against Quack and Jigsaw at MM 2 was one of my favorite matches this year. They also had a really fun six man with Delirious on the Driven PPV that got rave reviews. They wored great together and hopefully with Matt coming back at Final Battle weekend they are still together. I never said I need "high spots". Every match I've seen out of the AOTF and the Briscoes have been the same as the last. They could at least pull something different out. The Briscoes & Steenerico did it in every one of their matches. Hate filled brawls with four guys who just want to fight isn't going to be about moves. In the five million years pro wrestling has been around that hasn't changed. The Briscoes & AOTF bring the same stuff every time just to a different town. It's punch, kick, throw them into the guard rail, hit (insert name here) with chairs, throw some chairs in the ring, hit finisher, 1 2 3 it's over. I've seen plenty of hate filled brawls that didn't involve "pointless high spots". Usually in a real fight all you get are punches and kicks. That's what this angle is about real hatred and fights result from it. Necro Butcher's matches are becoming no different than Rhino's where it's the same **** everytime. Necro is a limited guy. He can't have a wrestling match, so all you're going to get is the same type of wild brawl or death match. |
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Dec 15, 2007 17:44:28 GMT -5
Don't talk to me about having friends. I have friends in the business as well. One of them was a friend of mine before he got into the business so I follow the company that he works for because he's in it and they use a lot of undercard JAPW guys, future JAPW guys and ROH students. I do not purchase the DVD's though because I really do not care much about the product anymore. If I don't like something, I don't buy it. All I'm saying is you must enjoy JAPW to continue to use your time to watch it because if it really wasn't worth it you wouldn't bother.
If ROH really wanted to make this a big feud they would of had Strong wrestle singles for the last two months or so defending the title to make it look credible. Right now the belt is forgotten about so feuding over what's the top title is kinda stupid at this point.
All of the shows I have seen and been to the Hangman 3 get no reaction and do not work well at all as a team. They still look thrown together.
Oh Stevens and Cross do work well as a team and I did really like the six man tag at Driven. However when you throw in Aries they just don't click. I'd rather see Delirious tag up with Cross and Stevens full time or I'd rather see Stevens and Cross tag together regardless because I don't care for Stevens as a singles wrestler.
BJ Whitmer & Jimmy Jacobs had hate filled brawls and managed to keep it entertaining and pull out things new. So did did the Briscoes/Steenerico feud. There was always something new there and they were hate filled brawls.
I understand that he is a limited guy but he hasn't had a match recently that are up to standards with his matches with Joe and Ki. I know everytime Necro is out there you are gonna get a brawl but there's no wrong in changing things up every once and awhile. He hits the same moves in the same order every match. I can call his matches with my eyes shut.
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Post by rohreddevil on Dec 15, 2007 19:00:56 GMT -5
How does the Chris Hero vs. Claudio Castagnoli match make sense? Why would Claudio leave if he loses, when he's won like five straight?
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Post by xshawnxwilliamsx on Dec 15, 2007 20:22:11 GMT -5
How does the Chris Hero vs. Claudio Castagnoli match make sense? Why would Claudio leave if he loses, when he's won like five straight? I agree, it should be the other way around with Hero having to leave if any stipulation like that would be added as that would be more logical. |
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