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Lucha
Jun 18, 2007 19:53:34 GMT -5
Post by Sam on Jun 18, 2007 19:53:34 GMT -5
I'm very interested why CHIKARA hasn't really gotten more lucha-y in the last years. First, check out this match: 6.upload.dailymotion.com/video/x25tf4_flash-snova-brillante-vs-los-pandilThat's what lucha should be like. A full-out sprint, with tons of dives and shit. That's the kinda stuff I want to see. Misterio jr. vs. Psicosis was so boring to me...to much laying around. SO, CHIKARA should start to try to do some more lucha stuff. Have an all-out sprint spotfest match (have the ever REALLY had one recently) without the mandatory indy mat work in the beginning. Do some more lucha stuff (I read about this Roulette of Death thing...a tournament where the losers advance, and the final match is like mask vs. mask or something. That could be real fun in CHIKARA) and focus more on LUCHA than bringing in random indy dudes like the YLC...because then they could be even more different from regular indies. So, thoughts? More lucha? |
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Lucha
Jun 18, 2007 20:02:23 GMT -5
Post by stevecorinoisgod on Jun 18, 2007 20:02:23 GMT -5
Are you referring to the Rey/Psicosis match that was on DVDVR that everyone was like OMG about? If so, I may give it a watch and see if I agree.
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Lucha
Jun 18, 2007 21:30:16 GMT -5
Post by talibanbackpack on Jun 18, 2007 21:30:16 GMT -5
I like some lucha, but I prefer old AAA, or even ECW's lucha stuff.
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Lucha
Jun 18, 2007 22:02:42 GMT -5
Post by holic08 on Jun 18, 2007 22:02:42 GMT -5
I don't know. The high spots and dives that you want in Lucha is the same kind of style that ROH is getting with their Dragon Gate stuff. So would it really set CHIKARA apart? CHIKARA is doing a pretty good job at being different than the other major indies by focusing on some outlandish characters, family fun, and quick paced action AS IS.
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Lucha
Jun 18, 2007 22:13:52 GMT -5
Post by James Hetfield on Jun 18, 2007 22:13:52 GMT -5
I hate lucha. Fast-paced wrestling isn't appealing to me at all.
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Lucha
Jun 18, 2007 22:56:03 GMT -5
Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jun 18, 2007 22:56:03 GMT -5
I'm very interested why CHIKARA hasn't really gotten more lucha-y in the last years. First, check out this match: 6.upload.dailymotion.com/video/x25tf4_flash-snova-brillante-vs-los-pandilThat's what lucha should be like. A full-out sprint, with tons of dives and ****. That's the kinda stuff I want to see. Misterio jr. vs. Psicosis was so boring to me...to much laying around. SO, CHIKARA should start to try to do some more lucha stuff. Have an all-out sprint spotfest match (have the ever REALLY had one recently) without the mandatory indy mat work in the beginning. Do some more lucha stuff (I read about this Roulette of Death thing...a tournament where the losers advance, and the final match is like mask vs. mask or something. That could be real fun in CHIKARA) and focus more on LUCHA than bringing in random indy dudes like the YLC...because then they could be even more different from regular indies. So, thoughts? More lucha? Chikara is expanding their typecast. For years, Chikara was known as the northeast company for lucha. In the last few years, they have been expanding and becoming more broader in order to appeal to more fans. Not everyone in Chikara works a lucha style. And by bringing in more top indy names......they are drawing bigger audiences and selling more dvds. If you look at their new logo you will see they list all kinds of styles on it like puroseau, strong style, lucha, etc. I think they are heading in the right direction with this idea. I do like to see lucha, but I think they supply enough of it and it also makes the wrestlers more rounded for other promotions. Also, as you have seen, more and more Chikara guys are getting work in companies like ROH, FIP, CZW, etc. where they werent getting it a few years back......including the founder, Mike Quackenbush, |
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Lucha
Jun 19, 2007 0:52:45 GMT -5
Post by Sam on Jun 19, 2007 0:52:45 GMT -5
Are you referring to the Rey/Psicosis match that was on DVDVR that everyone was like OMG about? If so, I may give it a watch and see if I agree. Yep. It was so sloppy, over-contrived, and tried way to hard to use psychology in a match where it isn't really needed. And even the ROH matches have those mat-work sections before they go apecrapcrazy. I need more matches where the ever-so generic match pattern is NOT followed, and things are batcrapout of control from bell to bell. |
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Lucha
Jun 19, 2007 1:02:18 GMT -5
Post by cpj19892 on Jun 19, 2007 1:02:18 GMT -5
Are you referring to the Rey/Psicosis match that was on DVDVR that everyone was like OMG about? If so, I may give it a watch and see if I agree. Yep. It was so sloppy, over-contrived, and tried way to hard to use psychology in a match where it isn't really needed. And even the ROH matches have those mat-work sections before they go ape **** crazy. I need more matches where the ever-so generic match pattern is NOT followed, and things are bat **** out of control from bell to bell. What promotion was it, WCW or a Lucha Libre promotion? |
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Lucha
Jun 19, 2007 1:05:18 GMT -5
Post by Sam on Jun 19, 2007 1:05:18 GMT -5
AAA. 90% sure.
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Lucha
Jun 19, 2007 1:14:41 GMT -5
Post by cpj19892 on Jun 19, 2007 1:14:41 GMT -5
Wow... they must have improved in WCW. They got way better when they hit WCW. I noticed that Rey didn't blow near as many spots as he did earlier in his career. He just improved.
But then again, when Dean Malenko and Eddie Guerrero have a bad match together, you know something is wrong. Maybe they were just working at TOO quick of a pace. I'm not sure. Or it might have just not been their night. Uncensored 1997, they blew so many spots. I think they were just off that night. That's the only bad match those two have had together. I believe.
If you want some good lucha, acquire the whole year of 1995 Monday Nitro somehow. You have a tag team match on 10/23/95 with Benoit and Malenko vs. Guerrero and Mr. JL. While Benoit isn't very lucha, he worked at a tremendous fast pace back then. Throughout the year, there are multiple matches of Benoit/Guerrero, Guerrero/Malenko, plus Liger/Pillman, Guerrero/Pillman and more. If you get Starrcade 1995, you get Benoit/Liger and Odtani/Guerrero. WCW had an amazing Cruiserweight division at that point.
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Lucha
Jun 19, 2007 7:39:49 GMT -5
Post by Tazmission on Jun 19, 2007 7:39:49 GMT -5
I really don't know about that. For some reason, I just can't get into lucha. I don't know what it is... I taped some AAA and CMLL episodes on my DVR and I don't know what it is. I find it sloppy and boring, which is kind of weird since the lucha typecast is that it's fast and exciting. I think the only lucha match I've liked was that hyped Los Gringos Locos match from the AAA When Worlds Collide show in LA. Are you referring to the Rey/Psicosis match that was on DVDVR that everyone was like OMG about? If so, I may give it a watch and see if I agree. I really hated that match. I've seen a bunch of they're touring matches (J Cup '95, a few ECW matches) and I've enjoyed them, but this one (AAA) is just... ugh. As I said, I just don't get lucha. Are you referring to the Rey/Psicosis match that was on DVDVR that everyone was like OMG about? If so, I may give it a watch and see if I agree. Yep. It was so sloppy, over-contrived, and tried way to hard to use psychology in a match where it isn't really needed. And even the ROH matches have those mat-work sections before they go ape **** crazy. I need more matches where the ever-so generic match pattern is NOT followed, and things are bat **** out of control from bell to bell. If you want, I can recommend some good Dragon Gate and Michinoku Pro matches that are pretty much balls-to-the-wall from start to finish. Still, though, I personally prefer when the match gets a slow build to segue into the crazy spots (which is what most DG, M-Pro, etc. are) |
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Lucha
Jun 19, 2007 7:57:45 GMT -5
Post by Deano on Jun 19, 2007 7:57:45 GMT -5
Lucha, when done right, is amazing. Most of the time however it sucks.
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Lucha
Jun 19, 2007 9:11:49 GMT -5
Post by stevecorinoisgod on Jun 19, 2007 9:11:49 GMT -5
Yep. It was so sloppy, over-contrived, and tried way to hard to use psychology in a match where it isn't really needed. And even the ROH matches have those mat-work sections before they go ape **** crazy. I need more matches where the ever-so generic match pattern is NOT followed, and things are bat **** out of control from bell to bell. What promotion was it, WCW or a Lucha Libre promotion? Well..DVDVR has a silly little rule where you can't upload WWE owned material, so take a guess. |
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