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Post by CBT on Jul 16, 2007 18:59:11 GMT -5
Forgive me guys, this topic is under construction, I just kind of had a idea for a topic but wasn't real sure on how to put it together.
What I guess I'm asking is.
Who on the independent that hasn't held a heavyweight title in any top promotion do you think is most deserving?
My first answer would be Drake Younger, whose making his name in both CZW and IWA, but has yet to really be put in a program where people could look at him as the guy that should carry the company.
Aside from Drake I still can't belive Delirious is not a Heavyweight champion, as he always seems to be upping his game and I think whether it's ROH or Chikara, alot can be said about his gimmick not playing as big a factor as at one time it might have.
But who would you guys say is deserving of holding major gold but hasn't yet?
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jul 16, 2007 19:30:35 GMT -5
Delirious for sure. Mike Quackenbush has never held a World Heavyweight Title in a top promotion and he is hands down the highest on my list.
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Jul 16, 2007 19:36:24 GMT -5
As much as I like Delirious I can't see him ever holding the ROH Title. I can see him holding something like the Chikara, IWA-MS, or PWG but never ROH. Anyway I have to say Nigel he should be holding the ROH Title right now but since we all know he will someday I'll say Necro Butcher. Necro Butcher always comes out looking like the baddest mother  er on the plant but loses a lot more than he wins. While he's a huge name he's never really looked like a guy who can carry a company. |
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Post by talibanbackpack on Jul 16, 2007 20:06:53 GMT -5
Drake, Necro, Quack, Sydal,
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Post by the franchise on Jul 16, 2007 20:33:39 GMT -5
Drake is the new age Tommy Dreamer. We all know what happened to Dreamer. I think Sydal could have a respectable run with a Heavyweight Title.
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Post by Kliff and the Brewers on Jul 16, 2007 20:59:04 GMT -5
Necro, Quack, Joe E Legend
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Post by Overnight Sensation on Jul 16, 2007 21:46:09 GMT -5
Drake is the new age Tommy Dreamer. We all know what happened to Dreamer. I think Sydal could have a respectable run with a Heavyweight Title. He ate hot dogs off the floor? |
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Post by cureforthesickness on Jul 16, 2007 22:22:40 GMT -5
umm.. how is Drake "not in a position to carry the company"? Maybe I'm seeing this wrong, but the biggest angle in IWA-MS right now is the MS versus DS war, which Drake Younger is the star of (as the face, with Freakshow/Lane being the consistant heels and considering Ian's been hurt most of it..)
In CZW, he did a program with Justice Pain and just won their Tournament of Death, which is a HUGE deal..
Delirious is the most under rated to never hold "big gold". Drake would come next, but his time is just around the corner. Necro's one that shocks me that he's never held big gold (unless I'm missing an IWA title reign, and I'll have to check that in the AM)
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Post by CBT on Jul 16, 2007 22:25:42 GMT -5
Drake is the new age Tommy Dreamer. We all know what happened to Dreamer. I think Sydal could have a respectable run with a Heavyweight Title. He ate hot dogs off the floor? And drank Undertaker's tobacco spit.  |
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Post by CBT on Jul 16, 2007 22:36:32 GMT -5
umm.. how is Drake "not in a position to carry the company"? Maybe I'm seeing this wrong, but the biggest angle in IWA-MS right now is the MS versus DS war, which Drake Younger is the star of (as the face, with Freakshow/Lane being the consistant heels and considering Ian's been hurt most of it..) In CZW, he did a program with Justice Pain and just won their Tournament of Death, which is a HUGE deal.. I knew the moment I posted it that my reasoning would be questioned. Highlighting CZW, no doubt he's been considered the best thing going for the company. But honestly Drake's shined only because of his own efforts. His involvement in an angle doesn't totally mean he's being used to the fullest. Look at what happened with Whitmer and Pearce when the CZW-ROH angle ended. Anyways my point is, the fans do actually see him as a guy who could be the "Man", especially with CZW being at a deplorable state. However, Younger hasn't really been put in a position to chase the title and IMO, even if Zandig or Ian don't wanna rush him in as champion. His performances over time would earn him credibility to grab the belt. My complaint is he's been that guy who could breakout at any moment, achieve ultra-success beyond what he has done in the world of deathmatch. God knows he's got the talent. But he's like a dark horse in both promotions title picture. There's been opportunities where he could come out of the woodwork but like look at the scenario you gave with Justice Pain. CZW didn't even know what to do with him and gave the belt to Ruckus. Right now Younger in CZW is a hotshot opportunity away from getting gold. In IWA I think it's less likely. I can't justify why he's not champion, but I'm not denying he's worthy of the honors. |
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Post by Nick Maniwa on Jul 17, 2007 2:32:16 GMT -5
I thought Necro had won the IWA title in 01 but he just defeated Hido in a Loser Leaves IWA match and Hido was stripped, no title change.
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Post by cureforthesickness on Jul 17, 2007 10:52:48 GMT -5
But he's like a dark horse in both promotions title picture. There's been opportunities where he could come out of the woodwork but like look at the scenario you gave with Justice Pain. CZW didn't even know what to do with him and gave the belt to Ruckus. CZW, maybe, but he's been ALL OVER the title scene in IWA-MS. April he challenged and almost beat Chuck Taylor for the Heavyweight title at Rule the School. He was also the only Death Match champion from Feburary to June, beating IWA legends Ian Rotten, Madman Pondo, & 2 Tuff Tony to initially win the title. He also retained the title against Ian (who's held the IWA Heavyweight title SEVERAL times) in a barbed wire cage match at April Bloodshowers 2007. The point is, Drake's been busy with bigger, more important things than the Heavyweight title, at least in IWA-MS. Look at April Bloodshowers; the final chapter. He main evented in his barbed wire war with CJ Otis, while Chuck Taylor was defending the IWA Heavyweight title against Joey Ryan in the match before. Likewise, Drake main evented over Chuck Taylor versus Z-Barr and Tracy Smothers in consecutive IWA title defenses against Rotten in the adformentioned barbed wire cage match (Tank-Freakshow in a Taipei death match also followed the two title matches, but that's neither here nor there). Chuck Taylor defending the IWA Heavyweight title against Danny Basham also fell to the wayside of a Drake Younger main event (teaming with Tank against Freakshow and Insane Lane) in a Barbed Wire cage fans supply the weapons match. Point here is, Younger isn't playing second fiddle to the IWA Heavyweight title (and champion Chuck Taylor), Taylor and the title are playing second fiddle to Drake Younger. Chuck wasn't even at the King of the Death matches or Sunday Bloody Sunday from Texas, both of which featured Younger in a prominant role (Sunday Bloody Sunday being a main event role) |
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Post by comebackkid on Jul 17, 2007 17:38:51 GMT -5
The Irony is 80% of indy wrestlers aren't even Heavyweights
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Post by Kliff and the Brewers on Jul 17, 2007 19:59:47 GMT -5
I agree with that Asia. The title here does clearly state HEAVYWEIGHT. Quack, Delerious, and sydal, while they are some of the best in the world, are by no mean Heavyweights. And believe me, there was a time when I said "weight shouldnt matter". However it's true when they say the wrestlers should be bigger then the fans.
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Post by Mark on Jul 17, 2007 20:45:05 GMT -5
The Irony is 80% of indy wrestlers aren't even Heavyweights I just had this exact same convo with Chris last night |
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Post by CBT on Jul 17, 2007 22:50:23 GMT -5
The Irony is 80% of indy wrestlers aren't even Heavyweights I just had this exact same convo with Chris last night The strange thing is a promotion could say, "Your Ring of Honor World Champion" or "The IWA Mid-South Champion" but Heavyweight is symbolic of being the top dog. The standards of wrestling have changed over the years, and more guys who do just fine at 5'7" and 195lbs are carrying out the best matches. |
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Post by comebackkid on Jul 18, 2007 17:37:00 GMT -5
I just had this exact same convo with Chris last night The strange thing is a promotion could say, "Your Ring of Honor World Champion" or "The IWA Mid-South Champion" but Heavyweight is symbolic of being the top dog. The standards of wrestling have changed over the years, and more guys who do just fine at 5'7" and 195lbs are carrying out the best matches. Yeah but i shouldn't be in better shape than half these indy guys |
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Post by Mark on Jul 18, 2007 21:16:09 GMT -5
The strange thing is a promotion could say, "Your Ring of Honor World Champion" or "The IWA Mid-South Champion" but Heavyweight is symbolic of being the top dog. The standards of wrestling have changed over the years, and more guys who do just fine at 5'7" and 195lbs are carrying out the best matches. Yeah but i shouldn't be in better shape than half these indy guys LMFAO teenage wrestling |
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Post by Nirvana is Happiness on Jul 19, 2007 10:51:50 GMT -5
Jimmy Rave.
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Post by Overnight Sensation on Jul 20, 2007 21:04:15 GMT -5
Nigel for sure
Sydal and Drake Younger
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