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Post by Swarm on Feb 14, 2008 11:53:40 GMT -5
Just goes to show that this "indy" style isnt as over as people in the internet community think. So many people praise OH, and I'm sure they are a good show, but let's be honest, that style has and probably never will appeal to the maisntream. Mainstream is whatever Vince McMahon chooses it to be. Back in the 80s no one believed a guy the size of Bret Hart or Shawn Michaels could be World Champion. But it happened. Now, its back to big muscles, cuz Vince says so. If Vince decided to produce indy type wrestling......it would become main stream. Vince is a puppeteer and he pulls the string and main stream dance. ... Except WWE wasn't mainstream during the Early-Mid 90s nor is it today. You compare the buy-rates and ratings to, say, the Mid 80s and Late 90s when the WWE was actually garnering mainstream coverage and attention and the numbers don't even compare. Not to mention the fact that WWE's boom in the Late 90s was a direct result of the competition; WCW, which had mainstream attention before WWE did. You gotta look at it from a numbers standpoint. WWE's average rating for RAW every week is something around 3.5. This is not because they're attracting 3.5 Million people every week, or whatever that number exactly translates to, it's because those are the people who watch every single week regardless. Or, to put it simply, your core audience. It's ignorant to blame ROH's lack of success on a minimum-scale PPV market simply because WWE is a global entity and successful in it's own right. The WWE fans who buy their PPVs and watch their television are the same every month, every week, every year. This has absolutely no effect on ROH whatsoever. It's ROH's job to reach out beyond their core audience if they expect a buy-rate higher than what they've received. Don't get me wrong, I'm not ROH hating, because at this point I'm pretty much convinced advertising a wrestling product just isn't a lucrative PPV business without an established brand name at this point. My point is, it's very easy to blame Vince McMahon, sitting up in his titan towers cackling at ROH's failure and pulling the strings of the wrestling audience while counting his billions of dollars. It's much easier, but has no merit whatsoever. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Feb 14, 2008 12:13:29 GMT -5
Mainstream is whatever Vince McMahon chooses it to be. Back in the 80s no one believed a guy the size of Bret Hart or Shawn Michaels could be World Champion. But it happened. Now, its back to big muscles, cuz Vince says so. If Vince decided to produce indy type wrestling......it would become main stream. Vince is a puppeteer and he pulls the string and main stream dance. ... Except WWE wasn't mainstream during the Early-Mid 90s nor is it today. You compare the buy-rates and ratings to, say, the Mid 80s and Late 90s when the WWE was actually garnering mainstream coverage and attention and the numbers don't even compare. Not to mention the fact that WWE's boom in the Late 90s was a direct result of the competition; WCW, which had mainstream attention before WWE did. You gotta look at it from a numbers standpoint. WWE's average rating for RAW every week is something around 3.5. This is not because they're attracting 3.5 Million people every week, or whatever that number exactly translates to, it's because those are the people who watch every single week regardless. Or, to put it simply, your core audience. It's ignorant to blame ROH's lack of success on a minimum-scale PPV market simply because WWE is a global entity and successful in it's own right. The WWE fans who buy their PPVs and watch their television are the same every month, every week, every year. This has absolutely no effect on ROH whatsoever. It's ROH's job to reach out beyond their core audience if they expect a buy-rate higher than what they've received. Don't get me wrong, I'm not ROH hating, because at this point I'm pretty much convinced advertising a wrestling product just isn't a lucrative PPV business without an established brand name at this point. My point is, it's very easy to blame Vince McMahon, sitting up in his titan towers cackling at ROH's failure and pulling the strings of the wrestling audience while counting his billions of dollars. It's much easier, but has no merit whatsoever. When I mentioned Mainstream I was speaking of mainstream wrestling fan......not mainstream America. |
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Post by The Doctor on Feb 15, 2008 22:32:40 GMT -5
The saddest part of this is that ROH has actual television in Canada with the FIGHT Network. Granted they run older shows, but they still should have had better brand recognition.
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