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Post by Stevo on Oct 12, 2007 16:23:21 GMT -5
All I know is, JR has gone on record saying Steve Austin has earned the most money in wrestling. JR has also gone on record as sayin he belives Oklahoma is the greatest college football team ever and his BBQ sauce is better then all other...Both statements i think we all agree are false The first is a fact, the latter two are opinions. I think we can both agree on that. The simple fact is, when merchandise, arena sales, and everything else in the world of pro-wrestling is added up, Austin made more than Hogan. So therefore, Austin and Rock made more than Hogan. Does that mean Hogan shouldn't be in video games, figure line-ups, etc? No, all three have earned their rightful spots in wrestling glory and in silly things like action figures and video games. |
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Post by hbkjason on Oct 12, 2007 16:27:40 GMT -5
As far as the video game thing goes THQ has simply just chosen not to make a legends game why I have no idea. But as far as the Legends of Wrestling series goes when Accliam who made the LOW games went bankrupt a company called Throwback entertainment picked up the Legends of Wrestling rights however with the amount of wrestlers under a legends deal with the WWE or a individual deal with jakks it would be very hard for Throwback to make a legends game.
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Post by akawildfire on Oct 12, 2007 22:37:20 GMT -5
The simple fact is, when merchandise, arena sales, and everything else in the world of pro-wrestling is added up, Austin made more than Hogan. So therefore, Austin and Rock made more than Hogan. Absolutely wrong..... In the WORLD of pro-wrestling when EVERYTHING is added up Hogan is #1 by far... The Stats of Austin only reflect wwf/wwe not the wrestling world (I don't think they even made a shirt of austin in wcw), I'm not even sure the Rock would be in the top 3 of all time revenue. Possibly the Undertaker would be 3rd due to his longevity. I have no idea why this sub-topic bothers me but it does (lol)..................Statistically.... Hulk Hogan is #1 ............ Also on a side note. As of 2000 Hulk Hogan was the 3rd most recognizable (living celebrity based on looks not money) person in the WORLD (only to be surpassed by Michael Jackson and Michael Jordan)... This was published by People magazine and basically processed on the fact of who would be recognized out of a crowd in any part of the world.......... |
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Post by baorulez on Oct 14, 2007 18:15:50 GMT -5
I just want to say thanks to everyone for the input.
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Post by Hacker on Oct 14, 2007 18:44:00 GMT -5
All I know is, JR has gone on record saying Steve Austin has earned the most money in wrestling. I think JR stated that Austin had the biggest single year earnings - all time. |
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Post by Rabid Heat on Oct 14, 2007 19:51:28 GMT -5
The simple fact is, when merchandise, arena sales, and everything else in the world of pro-wrestling is added up, Austin made more than Hogan. So therefore, Austin and Rock made more than Hogan. But again, you're ignoring the fact that Hogan's merchandise wasn't available in the same way, nor as accessible. Austin and The Rock were around for the Internet age. I'm not disagreeing with your fact, I just think discretion and common sense needs to be used. If Austin and The Rock's merchandise had been only as accessible as Hogan's was, would they have sold more? I doubt it. You have to place everything within the context of the era. |
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Oct 15, 2007 7:47:05 GMT -5
The simple fact is, when merchandise, arena sales, and everything else in the world of pro-wrestling is added up, Austin made more than Hogan. So therefore, Austin and Rock made more than Hogan. But again, you're ignoring the fact that Hogan's merchandise wasn't available in the same way, nor as accessible. Austin and The Rock were around for the Internet age. I'm not disagreeing with your fact, I just think discretion and common sense needs to be used. If Austin and The Rock's merchandise had been only as accessible as Hogan's was, would they have sold more? I doubt it. You have to place everything within the context of the era. and here's a little something to add to Rabid Heat's thought process: Anybody old enough to remember gas prices back in the 80's? We're talking buck/buck fifty a gallon. Why is this important? Value of a dollar during Hogan's era of WWF. Like R.H. said, it was harder to get ahold of his merch, but it cost a lot less as well. Imagine how hard it would be today to drive up sales on a T-shirt that cost the consumer $15 to purchase today, where shirt sales are between $25 and $30. There's no doubt that Austin and Rock were kings of their era, but Hogan's pushed it for longer. If you're a NASCAR fan, this will make sense: Richard Petty and his monstrous success brought NASCAR to the mainstream back in the late 70's. When he got a little older, he stopped winning races and a new group of stars emerged. Of them, Dale Earnhardt Sr. became their new face. It was a different era, and it plays out like this: Petty won 200 races in his career. Earnhardt won 76, but his winnings beat Petty by the millions. Now there are a lot of dif. factors there, but if you know the sport you see my point. You can not grade success by dollars generated alone. |
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Post by Vamp55 on Oct 15, 2007 8:07:36 GMT -5
I don't think you guys quite understand just how big Hulk Hogan was. When it comes to comparing Hogan with anybody, Hogan wins. He is bigger then the Rock and Austin or any other wrestler we have ever seen.
Do you honestly think that the NWO would have worked with Hogan? Do you remember how many NWO shirts there were around in the mid-late 90's. Everyone had a NWO shirt. Nash and Hall can say all they want, the NWO worked because Hulk Hogan was in it.
Ask anyone who Hulk Hogan is and I bet they have heard of him. There is not one person on this green earth that knows who Steve Austin is, BUT DOESN'T know who Hogan is. Yet I bet that there are people who know Hogan, but have not heard of Steve Austin or The Rock. Hulk Hogan is the biggest star wrestling has ever seen period. To answer your question, the CS line would not be complete with Hulk.
BTW, When talking about merch sales, surely John Cena has to get a mention. Love him or Hate him, there's not a day goes by where I dont see at least one Cena shirt on a kid. If wrestling has another boom period like the 80's or late 90's I could see Cena out selling both.
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Post by PJ on Oct 15, 2007 8:26:49 GMT -5
If it wasn't for Hogan there'd be no Rock & Austin. Hulk put wrestling back on the map.
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Post by The Hitman on Oct 15, 2007 8:27:12 GMT -5
In my opinion Hulk Hogan was the greatest sports entertainer in wrestling, but I can honestly say that now a days I feel more common folk would say that The Rock would be the bigger star. I am not taking anything away from Hogan, (Although I dont care too much for him) but he became so popular because he doesnt know when to quit. I can guarentee that if Austin and The Rock were still wrestling today, they would still be the mainevent, and would draw the most. In an earlier post someone said that Austin Rock retired past their prime, The Rock did not reitre past his prime, and as for Austin he retired due to a neck injury. Hogan is the definition of past his prime. He is like the Roger Clemens of the WWE. Sure he is still a star, but what can he really still do in the ring.
But as for the original question, No the CS would not be complete without Hogan.
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Post by supercrazydragon on Oct 15, 2007 10:49:18 GMT -5
You have to consider three things when looking at this:
# 1: Things were different in the Hogan era than they were in the WWF Attitude era. You could probably buy a Hulkamania shirt from WWF for $10 or $15 back in the day. Heh, I even remember when official WWF shirts were $15. Now they go for $25 a pop. Think of inflation. And then think of all the crap (Between the Attitude era and even now) that WWE has made but didn't make back then. Because having a giant inflatable hand to hold up to your ear was NOT part of the merchandising campaign back in the days of Hogan.
# 2: Hogan was around for longer than both Rock and Austin. Austin didn't really hit his peak in WCW, so let's ignore that. But when in WWE, Hogan was still drawing in WCW. So maybe Austin made more money for WWE than Hogan did (And at these prices, how couldn't he?) but what about the money Hogan made for WCW? The nWo wouldn't have been nearly as big without the first ever heel run of Hulk Hogan, a point that can also be debated... But just think of it.
# 3: Without Hulk Hogan, there would have been no Steve Austin or The Rock. If Hogan didn't do what he did for wrestling back when he did it, then professional wrestling would have gone the way of foxy boxing and the XFL. Maybe Hogan was just a "right place at the right time" kind of guy, but in any event, he MADE professional wrestling what it is today. So you can't top that.
It's like TV. Whoever invented the HD TV is probably really cool, right? If you're into the HD TV. But still, the guy who originally invented TV is better because without him, there'd be no HD TV to invent. Think about it.
And I don't think the CS line would be complete without Hulk Hogan in it. Then again, I don't think it'd be complete without Randy Savage either, but you know. Maybe it's just because when Austin and Rock were big, RA was coming up so we got RA figures of The Rock and Stone Cold. Yeah, they had most of their prime in BCA and TTL form, but still, we had RA figures of The Rock and Stone Cold BEFORE the CS line even existed. While we had TTL and R3 Hogans, we didn't have any RA Hogans until the CS line, did we? Without an RA Hogan, it just doesn't feel complete. That might be a reason I feel he was more valuable as well. But then the same could be said for guys like HBK and Undertaker, since we had RA figures of them prior to the CS line.
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