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Post by WalterF on Aug 26, 2007 23:45:23 GMT -5
Cena needs to be turned heel and if you pay attention to time, it tells the story. Hulk Hogan was a huge face for a loooong time ... the TV shows became oversaturared with him, and he was shoved down everyone's throats. The fans started to resent the diet of being fed Hogan, so they began to relent and boo Hogan ... so much that WCW didn't want to embarrass themselves by having their top face boo'ed on tv so they kept him off Nitro. The only thing to do was to turn him heel ... he reached his peak as a face and was on the major decline. It happened at BATB and was RED HOT ... it became infamous and led to high prosperity in WCW ... HBK was a top face since 95' ... after awhile into his title reign the ratings dropped. Again, the shows were oversatured with HBK and he began losing appeal. The biggest case of this was at Survivor Series 96' when he was damn near boo'ed out of MSG and Sid ... the top heel was cheered. This continued for weeks ... months on RAW, so on. To save the character and to not embarass themselves, HBK turned heel and formed DX ... again RED  ing HOT!!! Again, it works! Now onto Cena. He's been a top face for a number of years. I don't care for him, but the guy has been main eventing and selling a ****load of merchandise ... but now it's getting to the stale point of Hogan and Michaels. Weekly, we hear the "top face" Cena get boo'ed. At Wrestlemania he was boo'ed out of the building similar to HBK at MSG in 96'. On RAW once he even acknowledged that he is often and boo'ed and made a comment about a number of fans at everyshow chanting that he sucks. The ship has sailed. He peaked with his current babyface gimmick, but the fans are turning more and more. WWE needs to remember that the FANS make the decisions and the FANS ultimately decide if something flops or is successful. Sure, Cena sells merch, but so did Hogan and HBK. The fact is, the product, the gimmick ... the character is stale and even if it can skim by and be acceptable for a few more months if you stretch it, it's inevitable that it has to change. If I was WWE I'd be embarrased that my top face is always boo'ed. What does that say for your company if you man you bill as your top fan favorite has an astounding chorus of boo's on a weekly basis and people on TV are hearing that? Before it's becomes OVERLY obvious that he's gonna need to make the change, WWE has to do it NOW while it still can provide shock value and be a widely talked about event that draws ratings. It worked everytime it's happened before, WWE should recognize that. Even The Rock ... when he was debuted as a face, people boo'ed him ... he turned heel and BAM he shot right up there. Anyone else notice that WWE should really do this? |
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Post by Mark on Aug 26, 2007 23:47:05 GMT -5
This summerslam was so predictable.
When Orton got the upper hand on the last show before Summerslam we knew he was loosing.
WWE doesnt wanna turn Cena heel for god knows what reason
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2007 23:48:19 GMT -5
Maybe because it's "full proof".
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Post by taker1 on Aug 26, 2007 23:49:13 GMT -5
WWE knows that they have a cash cow going with everybody buying the PPVs to see if Cena's going to lose. Why should they stop that?
EVENTUALLY Cena will have to turn heel. Eventually people will realize that he isn't gonna lose and they'll stop caring. But until then..milk the suckers for all they're worth.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 26, 2007 23:54:52 GMT -5
Well, they won't turn Cena heel because, traditionally, heel merchandise doesn't sell nearly as well. I do think that Cena needs his edge back though. If he were to be a more controversial style character, cutting a promo on the people who apparently love to hate him no matter what he does. They tried to do that with him shortly after he went to RAW, but they didn't follow up with it and really dropped the ball. Of course what did they care, Cena was still making money. "Creative" could script a really great promo to put the smarks in their place and really, it makes no sense to me why they're holding their fire at this point.
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Post by Bon on Aug 26, 2007 23:55:02 GMT -5
the term is fool proof,just so you know
they won't turn Cena heel,or atleast not yet, because he is without a doubt THE biggest draw in the company,unfortunately
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on Aug 26, 2007 23:56:26 GMT -5
WWE knows that they have a cash cow going with everybody buying the PPVs to see if Cena's going to lose. Why should they stop that? EVENTUALLY Cena will have to turn heel. Eventually people will realize that he isn't gonna lose and they'll stop caring. But until then..milk the suckers for all they're worth. `Or maybe people dont buy WWE's because they know Cena is going to win? |
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Post by WalterF on Aug 26, 2007 23:57:40 GMT -5
the term is fool proof,just so you know they won't turn Cena heel,or atleast not yet, because he is without a doubt THE biggest draw in the company,unfortunately No, it's full proof. At least the term I'm referring to ...The thing I don't understand is how he's the biggest draw yet he's boo'ed all over. |
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Post by WalterF on Aug 26, 2007 23:59:14 GMT -5
WWE knows that they have a cash cow going with everybody buying the PPVs to see if Cena's going to lose. Why should they stop that? EVENTUALLY Cena will have to turn heel. Eventually people will realize that he isn't gonna lose and they'll stop caring. But until then..milk the suckers for all they're worth. `Or maybe people dont buy WWE's because they know Cena is going to win? My thoughts. I mean RAW ratings aren't exactly sky-rocketing, are they? PPV buyrates aren't quite "through the roof." I haven't watched RAW in months and I know of many others who haven't watched in months as well because of the lame product. |
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Post by Chicago on Aug 27, 2007 0:02:47 GMT -5
You have to remember, the internet wrestling community makes up like, what, 10% of all WWE fans worldwide?
Cena is making them so much money and selling so much merchandise, I don't think Vince could give a crap. Until ppv buyrates, tv ratings and merchandise sales drop in the toilet because of having Cena as champion, I don't see why they would have any reason to change course.
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Post by WalterF on Aug 27, 2007 0:05:13 GMT -5
Oh yeah ... I'm not even talking about the IWC. I realize that the IWC and people on these forums saying to boycott WWE are about .... .2% of the wrestling fan populus, but the guy is getting boo'ed relentlessly. In the Summerslam thread some guy evern said the people were cheering Orton insanely and booing Cena big time and Orton's heel.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2007 0:10:23 GMT -5
Your right. Cena should turn heel or drop the belt and chase it, Not winning it back for a while. Cena needs to drop out of the title picture if he's not going to be turned heel. Have him fued with other people. Like if Orton/HHH comes around or HHH/Kennedy Cena should be fueding with Booker, or Carlito, Or somebody.
On a side note, I feel bad for Orton. Because by the time he gets the belt, if he ever does. He's going to have to drop it within a month or two to Triple H.
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Post by cutthroat on Aug 27, 2007 0:37:53 GMT -5
They wont turn Cena heel just yet because 1st off there was not 1 main eventor that was a Face at the time HHH and HBK both hurt now that HHH is back we will have to wait and see but dont count on it i heard this Orton Cena feud is gonna go on a little bit longer and i dont think Orton will see the title anytime soon and like every1 has said b4 Cena might get booed but he is a cash cow and Vince likes Cena so he wont stop what is lining his already fat pockets with more cash
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Post by Adam on Aug 27, 2007 1:04:25 GMT -5
Am I the only one who actually learned that "full proof" is an actual term? It appears to be used most often with legal cases, but I just assumed WalterF meant "fool proof"...I think in this case, it should be, but 'full proof' is actually something.
And on-topic, I was all for turning Cena...about a year and a half ago. Now it's gone too far to have a big effect, I think.
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Post by n2kgame on Aug 27, 2007 1:42:26 GMT -5
the term is fool proof,just so you know they won't turn Cena heel,or atleast not yet, because he is without a doubt THE biggest draw in the company,unfortunately No, it's full proof. At least the term I'm referring to ...The thing I don't understand is how he's the biggest draw yet he's boo'ed all over. He's the biggest draw because people want to see him lose. It's kind of like reverse psychology. I got Summerslam with my friends tonight because we were so hyped to see Orton win, and apparently so was the crowd in Jersey, but yet again, Cena won. I feel that by the next pay per view, if not at it, Orton will win. We've already heard that the main event for Raw at WM24 is Kennedy/HHH, so the belt has to be dropped at some point. I just think they want the Cena/ Orton fued to go a little longer. Probably have Orton chase a bit, then cheat and win, then have Cena chase and get screwed until HHH steps up to challenge for the title. That's just the way I see it happening, but who really knows. |
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Post by Mirror Images on Aug 27, 2007 3:42:47 GMT -5
This summerslam was so predictable. When Orton got the upper hand on the last show before Summerslam we knew he was loosing. WWE doesnt wanna turn Cena heel for god knows what reason Just because something is predicatable it isnt always a bad thing. Shocking and unpredictable for the sake of it is definetly out of the Vince Russ style of booking and can lead to disaster if your hot shotting angles and match results to try and catch out fans. |
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Post by Ponch on Aug 27, 2007 3:47:26 GMT -5
I would love for Cena to become heel, that would make him so much better, But then I can understand why the WWE wouldn't want him to be, it's simple logic.
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Post by Mirror Images on Aug 27, 2007 4:05:13 GMT -5
I would love for Cena to become heel, that would make him so much better, But then I can understand why the WWE wouldn't want him to be, it's simple logic. But just because Cena isn't over as a face with the adult male fan base doesnt mean that WWE isnt making a ton of money from the young kid fan base. Vince isnt stupid he knows not to turn Cena heel and risk losing all the younger fans. |
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Post by bowdowntotheking on Aug 27, 2007 4:16:58 GMT -5
WWE care to mush for the pretty boy cena and wont turn him heel because they'll lose all the fat mum's(Im aussie) who jump up and down causing earthquakes for him.
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Post by Boy Wonder on Aug 27, 2007 8:16:24 GMT -5
Of course they should, like you said, its what they did with Hogan, Michaels and the Rock and now look at them, they are 3 of the biggest names in wrestling history, and constantly stayed fresh This summerslam was so predictable. When Orton got the upper hand on the last show before Summerslam we knew he was loosing.WWE doesnt wanna turn Cena heel for god knows what reason I was hoping that was gonna be the case with Punk/Morrison  |
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