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Post by therock32 on Jul 24, 2007 18:10:01 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy has been with the WWE for almost 8 yrs. and is well over. and can put on some great matches (last night for example) He has been in the WWE longer than everyone on that list besides HHH and Foley, and takes a beating better than most. Since hes been back theres been no negative reports about him, but Orton on the other hand there has. Hardy deserves it alot more than Orton or Kennedy. He actually works his ass off unlike Orton who is lazy and unreliable. Hardy tries to hard to be over and that messes him up. I see a botch in every match that Hardy has. And Hardy never changes anything he does. And you have Benjamin in your sig?
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Post by therock32 on Jul 24, 2007 18:11:58 GMT -5
And its quite amazing how since Orton was named # contender everyone is a huge fan of him when before, they never said anything about him (My avatar has Orton, but says nothing about him i just want the belt off Cena and doesnt say anything like 'You cant overcome DESTINY, Dont turn your back on Destiny. and that bullcrap.)
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Post by k9c93 on Jul 24, 2007 18:11:59 GMT -5
I can't believe William Regal (member) is saying that Jeff Hardy should be challenging for the title. Cena vs. Hardy? Is that a joke? Nobody in their right mind would pay pocket change to see that. Jeff Hardy will never be a credible main eventer.Randy Orton has been near the top for four years. He has ok mic skills but can be counted on to cut an intense promo when needed. He has cocky attitude that is matched by nobody. He is solid in the ring and can have a good match with the right opponent easily. Cena-Booker has been done LOADS of times. And Kennedy hasn't won nearly enough on Raw to warrant a title shot. He's never been a consistent main eventer either. Orton is clearly the top heel on the show. I really don't see how you can argue that. Jeff Hardy is the most over star on RAW - but of course, nobody would pay to see him in the main event, and take the belt from Cena ... Sorry that I'm not a sheep, who agrees with all these Orton fans, who have suddenly come crawling out of the woodwork... The sheep part was random. . . but can ya stop talkin about Jeff Hardy and squashing Orton? damn!
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Post by Flyrfn144 on Jul 24, 2007 18:23:46 GMT -5
And its quite amazing how since Orton was named # contender everyone is a huge fan of him when before, they never said anything about him (My avatar has Orton, but says nothing about him i just want the belt off Cena and doesnt say anything like 'You cant overcome DESTINY, Dont turn your back on Destiny. and that bull ****.) I will say it again, I didn't just come out of the woodwork, been an Orton fan since 03.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jul 24, 2007 18:25:14 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy has been with the WWE for almost 8 yrs. and is well over. and can put on some great matches (last night for example) He has been in the WWE longer than everyone on that list besides HHH and Foley, and takes a beating better than most. Since hes been back theres been no negative reports about him, but Orton on the other hand there has. Hardy deserves it alot more than Orton or Kennedy. He actually works his ass off unlike Orton who is lazy and unreliable. How can you say Orton is lazy. He put on good matches this past year with DX, and had a great performance in MITB at WM. Hardy tries to hard to be over and that messes him up. I see a botch in every match that Hardy has. And Hardy never changes anything he does. Not saying his move set is basic and doesn't vary but he always has to do the whisper in the wind, and the slingshot dropkick thing(not sure exactly what it's called)He does those moves, because they are in his repetoire - THEY ARE HIS TRADEMARK MOVES, so of course he's going to do them, every match he's in... So you're telling me, that Orton doesn't always do that modified backbreaker, or those body stomps, and 'Taker doesn't do, old-school, snake-eyes + big-boot & the leg-drop on the apron, every match he's in?... HHH, doesn't always do the spinebuster, or running knee?... Austin didn't always do the Lou Thesz press, and mudhole stomp, every match?... If you're going to make a point, make sure it's is actually valid, and hold a cogent argument at least, will you...
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Post by Ari Gold on Jul 24, 2007 18:27:47 GMT -5
Orton.
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Post by Flyrfn144 on Jul 24, 2007 18:29:26 GMT -5
How can you say Orton is lazy. He put on good matches this past year with DX, and had a great performance in MITB at WM. Hardy tries to hard to be over and that messes him up. I see a botch in every match that Hardy has. And Hardy never changes anything he does. Not saying his move set is basic and doesn't vary but he always has to do the whisper in the wind, and the slingshot dropkick thing(not sure exactly what it's called)He does those moves, because they are in his repetoire - THEY ARE HIS TRADEMARK MOVES, so of course he's going to do them, every match he's in... So you're telling me, that Orton doesn't always do that modified backbreaker, or those body stomps, and 'Taker doesn't do, old-school, snake-eyes and the big-boot, every match he's in?... HHH, doesn't always do the spinebuster, or running knee?... Austin didn't always do the Lou Thesz press, and mudhole stomp, every match?... If you're going to make a point, hold a cogent argument at least,will you... see, heres the thing, ok. Orton, at least does more moves, Hardy, on the other hand, does just those moves and nothing else. Sorry buddy, but that is something you can't deny.
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Post by gin on Jul 24, 2007 18:30:41 GMT -5
How can you say Orton is lazy. He put on good matches this past year with DX, and had a great performance in MITB at WM. Hardy tries to hard to be over and that messes him up. I see a botch in every match that Hardy has. And Hardy never changes anything he does. Not saying his move set is basic and doesn't vary but he always has to do the whisper in the wind, and the slingshot dropkick thing(not sure exactly what it's called)He does those moves, because they are in his repetoire - THEY ARE HIS TRADEMARK MOVES, so of course he's going to do them, every match he's in... So you're telling me, that Orton doesn't always do that modified backbreaker, or those body stomps, and 'Taker doesn't do, old-school, snake-eyes + big-boot & the leg-drop on the apron, every match he's in?... HHH, doesn't always do the spinebuster, or running knee?... Austin didn't always do the Lou Thesz press, and mudhole stomp, every match?... If you're going to make a point, make sure it's is actually valid, and hold a cogent argument at least, will you... When did he start watching Wrestling? Every wrestler has trademark moves that they use OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Hogan with that atomic leg drop. He used it to win pretty much all his matches.
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Post by k9c93 on Jul 24, 2007 18:30:51 GMT -5
How can you say Orton is lazy. He put on good matches this past year with DX, and had a great performance in MITB at WM. Hardy tries to hard to be over and that messes him up. I see a botch in every match that Hardy has. And Hardy never changes anything he does. Not saying his move set is basic and doesn't vary but he always has to do the whisper in the wind, and the slingshot dropkick thing(not sure exactly what it's called)He does those moves, because they are in his repetoire - THEY ARE HIS TRADEMARK MOVES, so of course he's going to do them, every match he's in... So you're telling me, that Orton doesn't always do that modified backbreaker, or those body stomps, and 'Taker doesn't do, old-school, snake-eyes + big-boot & the leg-drop on the apron, every match he's in?... HHH, doesn't always do the spinebuster, or running knee?... Austin didn't always do the Lou Thesz press, and mudhole stomp, every match?... If you're going to make a point, make sure it's is actually valid, and hold a cogent argument at least, will you... you REALLY need to stop talking.. yes its true but still.. stop tryin to be a smartass about everything.. and dont tell me that ur not cuz u r. thats why im sick of you. Make no comments
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jul 24, 2007 18:32:22 GMT -5
He does those moves, because they are in his repetoire - THEY ARE HIS TRADEMARK MOVES, so of course he's going to do them, every match he's in... So you're telling me, that Orton doesn't always do that modified backbreaker, or those body stomps, and 'Taker doesn't do, old-school, snake-eyes and the big-boot, every match he's in?... HHH, doesn't always do the spinebuster, or running knee?... Austin didn't always do the Lou Thesz press, and mudhole stomp, every match?... If you're going to make a point, hold a cogent argument at least,will you... see, heres the thing, ok. Orton, at least does more moves, Hardy, on the other hand, does just those moves and nothing else. Sorry buddy, but that is something you can't deny. Have you been watching the same person, I have?... Orton has about two moves - everything else he does, involves a resthold... As for Orton doing/having more moves, than Jeff Hardy... LMFAO! ;D - you've just nullified and destroyed your whole argument, with that sentence...
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Post by The Michael on Jul 24, 2007 18:35:10 GMT -5
Orton should get another shot at the gold.
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Post by k9c93 on Jul 24, 2007 18:39:00 GMT -5
see, heres the thing, ok. Orton, at least does more moves, Hardy, on the other hand, does just those moves and nothing else. Sorry buddy, but that is something you can't deny. Have you been watching the same person, I have?... Orton has about two moves - everything else he does, involves a resthold... As for Orton doing/having more moves than Jeff Hardy... LMFAO! ;D dude stop acting like a smartass! Jeff just isnt ready for the main event.. and obviously Randy is since hes facing Cena for the title.. Randy is in the main event scene and u cant do anything about so stop bashing him
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Post by Heresy on Jul 24, 2007 18:40:26 GMT -5
LMFAO at Thiple H...
If Jeff Hardy hit the gym, and repackaged his look to resemble how he did back when he debuted in TNA, Hardy could be a relatively strong WWE Champion. The guy has a huge, loyal fanbase and would probably attract more teen viewers. Considering some of the guys who have become World champion within the last year, it is far from the worst idea.
For those people who complain about guys recieving premature pushes and then vote for Mr. Kennedy... hypocritical much?
With all that said, I'm going with Randy Orton. Not only does he deserve a WWE title reign, but he has the momentum going into this feud that the other guys listed wouldn't have.
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Post by Flyrfn144 on Jul 24, 2007 18:41:44 GMT -5
see, heres the thing, ok. Orton, at least does more moves, Hardy, on the other hand, does just those moves and nothing else. Sorry buddy, but that is something you can't deny. Have you been watching the same person, I have?... Orton has about two moves - everything else he does, involves a resthold... As for Orton doing/having more moves than Jeff Hardy... LMFAO! ;D So, whats wrong with rest holds, they are typical wrestling submission holds. Which in fact shows that Orton knows the basics. Another reason hardy doesn't deserve it is because he has not established himself as a singles wrestler. Yes he got a reign with the IC title but that was his only singles title reign in how many years of being in the WWE? Orton has established himself as a singles wrestler. Hardy has been a tag wrestler his whole life. Same thing with his brother, I would love to see Matt with the World title but he has not done much as a singles wrestler.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jul 24, 2007 18:42:22 GMT -5
Have you been watching the same person, I have?... Orton has about two moves - everything else he does, involves a resthold... As for Orton doing/having more moves than Jeff Hardy... LMFAO! ;D dude stop acting like a smartass! Jeff just isnt ready for the main event.. and obviously Randy is since hes facing Cena for the title.. Randy is in the main event scene and u cant do anything about so stop bashing him The only reason, Orton is facing Cena for the title, is because HHH wants him to be, and has set it up for him - that's all...
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Post by k9c93 on Jul 24, 2007 18:45:04 GMT -5
dude stop acting like a smartass! Jeff just isnt ready for the main event.. and obviously Randy is since hes facing Cena for the title.. Randy is in the main event scene and u cant do anything about so stop bashing him The only reason, Orton is facing Cena for the title, is because HHH wants him to be, and has set it up for him - that's all... "Thats all" dude youve been bashing Orton left and right..Dont bash orton, bash HHH since he made the whole thing
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jul 24, 2007 18:45:58 GMT -5
Have you been watching the same person, I have?... Orton has about two moves - everything else he does, involves a resthold... As for Orton doing/having more moves than Jeff Hardy... LMFAO! ;D So, whats wrong with rest holds, they are typical wrestling submission holds. Which in fact shows that Orton knows the basics. Another reason hardy doesn't deserve it is because he has not established himself as a singles wrestler. Yes he got a reign with the IC title but that was his only singles title reign in how many years of being in the WWE? Orton has established himself as a singles wrestler. Hardy has been a tag wrestler his whole life. Same thing with his brother, I would love to see Matt with the World title but he has not done much as a singles wrestler. So Jeff Hardy didn't feud with 'Taker, or have that ladder match with him on RAW, a few years ago?... I must've imagined it, then...
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jul 24, 2007 18:51:43 GMT -5
The only reason, Orton is facing Cena for the title, is because HHH wants him to be, and has set it up for him - that's all... "Thats all" dude youve been bashing Orton left and right..Dont bash orton, bash HHH since he made the whole thing By that's all, I meant that HHH's influence, has got Orton this chance - there's no other reason... It's common knowledge that HHH wants Orton to win the belt, so he has engineered it, to make it so... How is that fair, to others who deserve it more than Orton?...
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Post by Flyrfn144 on Jul 24, 2007 18:58:34 GMT -5
So, whats wrong with rest holds, they are typical wrestling submission holds. Which in fact shows that Orton knows the basics. Another reason hardy doesn't deserve it is because he has not established himself as a singles wrestler. Yes he got a reign with the IC title but that was his only singles title reign in how many years of being in the WWE? Orton has established himself as a singles wrestler. Hardy has been a tag wrestler his whole life. Same thing with his brother, I would love to see Matt with the World title but he has not done much as a singles wrestler. So Jeff Hardy didn't feud with 'Taker, or have that ladder match with him on RAW, a few years ago?... I must've imagined it, then... Yes, because one match makes you a singles wrestler
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jul 24, 2007 19:08:58 GMT -5
So Jeff Hardy didn't feud with 'Taker, or have that ladder match with him on RAW, a few years ago?... I must've imagined it, then... Yes, because one match makes you a singles wrestler No, but obviously taking a sh*t in a Diva's bag, receiving a suspension for using steroids and causing $30,000 worth of damage to a hotel room, gets you the most prestigious belt, in the history of the WWE...
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