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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2007 16:57:39 GMT -5
I love how ESPN only reports badthings that happen to WWE.
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Post by comebackkid on Jul 27, 2007 17:01:49 GMT -5
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Post by the franchise on Jul 27, 2007 17:02:14 GMT -5
It's good to see that Congress has its priorities straight.
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Post by heartbreakkid2k3 on Jul 27, 2007 17:20:05 GMT -5
It's good to see that Congress has its priorities straight. Senator #1: "Alright. We've got an energy crisis, the president is lying to the nation, and we've got an unending war on our heads. What should we tackle first?" Senator #2: "How about pro wrestling? I mean, these guys could be using steroids! They're athletes!" Senator #3: "They're actors and athletes. It's called sports-entertainment." Senator #2: "Whatever. Either way, they should be held accountable like every other sport!" Senator #3: "Uhhh...why?" Senator #2: "Do you really wanna deal with the Iraq war right now?" Senator #3: "Steroids in wrestling it is! Those bastards!" Seriously, there are bigger things to be concerned about. If they're going to start checking for steroids in wrestling, then why don't they just start checking for steroids in Hollywood?
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Post by slappy on Jul 27, 2007 17:53:39 GMT -5
Actually, they don't have to do it.
Hmm. End the war or stop the WWE?
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Post by Mr.mike on Jul 27, 2007 18:12:44 GMT -5
I've kept my mouth shut about this whole situation but congress getting involved kinda pisses me off.
First of all, pro wrestling isn't a real sport, so the use of performance enhancing drugs doesn't effect the outcomes and therefore does not hault or damage competition. WWE doesn't legally have to do drug testing so any testing that does occur is going above and beyond the call of duty. WWE is an entertainment company that writes and scripts everything done. They have their performers show up and do as they ask, just like any actor or actress. Blaming wwe for wrestler drug use is like blaming the writers and directors of Lidsay Lohan's movies on all of her drug activities. The WWE can not and should not have to babysit their performers. However, since they do test their workers without a legal responsibility to do so, the punishment for drug use is left up to them. They are generous enough to send the performer to rehab on WWE's dime. As far as steroids are concerned, if the wrestler has a legal perscription for the medication, it is not WWE's call to tell them they can not use it. Pain is part of the job, and the wrestlers know that going in,so painkillers are necessential.
As far as previous wrestling deaths, most of which occur from previous drug use from when the wrestling business was alot worse as far as drug use. Most are old schoolers from the 1980's when testing wasn't done.
What i believe would help this problem in wrestling is not congressional hearings, but rather a lighter work schedule. Most of these wrestlers go non-stop for 20 years with little to no break. That kind of wear and tear does take a life shortening effect. The drug testing WWE does is helpful and more than any other wrestling/entertainment company does.
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Post by dunkmasterchuck on Jul 27, 2007 18:25:27 GMT -5
Wow, that's awesome. It'll be interesting to see how this goes. They've got Vince by the short & curlys now, don't they?? LOL. I can't help but to say it looks good on him. I only wish this would've happened years ago and who knows, guys like Hawk, Mr. Perfect, Eddie Guerrero, Brian Pillman, Louie Spiccoli, Crash Holly and many others might be around today if they did. Crash Holly and Mr. Perfect didn't die of steroid use. This thing won't hold up at all. They couldn't get a conviction 15 years ago and I'm sure that Vince isn't sweating this that much.
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Post by Bubba Ray DJ on Jul 27, 2007 19:01:56 GMT -5
I don't think the words "Media" and "journalistic" and "investigations" should be used in the same sentence with this subject, as most of the reporting that has occurred around this topic has been either guesswork or outright lies.
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Post by Graze on Jul 27, 2007 19:57:20 GMT -5
It's good to see that Congress has its priorities straight. Senator #1: "Alright. We've got an energy crisis, the president is lying to the nation, and we've got an unending war on our heads. What should we tackle first?" Senator #2: "How about pro wrestling? I mean, these guys could be using steroids! They're athletes!" Senator #3: "They're actors and athletes. It's called sports-entertainment." Senator #2: "Whatever. Either way, they should be held accountable like every other sport!" Senator #3: "Uhhh...why?" Senator #2: "Do you really wanna deal with the Iraq war right now?" Senator #3: "Steroids in wrestling it is! Those bastards!" Seriously, there are bigger things to be concerned about. If they're going to start checking for steroids in wrestling, then why don't they just start checking for steroids in Hollywood? HUGH world of difference. I'm pretty sure if Hollywood had the death toll wrestling has had in the past ten years, every actor would be pissing into a cup. This is a damn good thing. The business itself needs to be cleaned, and it starts with the biggest company out there. Lets see how good this welliness policy is. Mr. ****, meet Mr. Fan
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Post by superbad on Jul 27, 2007 20:01:58 GMT -5
Crash died from dirnking and he vomited and he choked... Yes, I realize that but I'm sure he was taking steroids and other things as well. crash NEVER took steroids, itd be like lindsay lohan giving up drinking and driving for good. anyways, only god knows how many superstars will be let go by the end of this year.
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Post by Graze on Jul 27, 2007 20:07:58 GMT -5
I've kept my mouth shut about this whole situation but congress getting involved kinda pisses me off. First of all, pro wrestling isn't a real sport, so the use of performance enhancing drugs doesn't effect the outcomes and therefore does not hault or damage competition. WWE doesn't legally have to do drug testing so any testing that does occur is going above and beyond the call of duty. WWE is an entertainment company that writes and scripts everything done. They have their performers show up and do as they ask, just like any actor or actress. Blaming wwe for wrestler drug use is like blaming the writers and directors of Lidsay Lohan's movies on all of her drug activities. The WWE can not and should not have to babysit their performers. However, since they do test their workers without a legal responsibility to do so, the punishment for drug use is left up to them. They are generous enough to send the performer to rehab on WWE's dime. As far as steroids are concerned, if the wrestler has a legal perscription for the medication, it is not WWE's call to tell them they can not use it. Pain is part of the job, and the wrestlers know that going in,so painkillers are necessential. As far as previous wrestling deaths, most of which occur from previous drug use from when the wrestling business was alot worse as far as drug use. Most are old schoolers from the 1980's when testing wasn't done. What i believe would help this problem in wrestling is not congressional hearings, but rather a lighter work schedule. Most of these wrestlers go non-stop for 20 years with little to no break. That kind of wear and tear does take a life shortening effect. The drug testing WWE does is helpful and more than any other wrestling/entertainment company does. BULL MOTHER ING crap! No one forces anyone to do steroids, but look at the guys Vince pushes, notice anything about them? THERE JUICE MONKEYS! It's not just Vince, it's pretty much everyone else in wrestling. Face it, WWE, on the main event level, pushes based on looks, if they didn't Lashley, Batista and certainly Khali would be gone! Painkillers are a necessity? are you high? The wrestlers know there going to be in pain, but they shouldn't need to depend on drugs. Having an offseason or rotating guys on/off the road would work. 20 years from now, will probably be hearing about the guys in this generation who were on drugs and will be dying. The wrestlers and certainly the WWE wouldn't do anything, so someone MUST step in. As for the WWE drug testing, these guys are athletes, it's more physically demanding then football, but, IMO, they SHOULD be tested. Wrestling needs to be changed or else the bodies will keep hitting the floor.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Jul 27, 2007 20:11:12 GMT -5
Wow, that's awesome. It'll be interesting to see how this goes. They've got Vince by the short & curlys now, don't they?? LOL. I can't help but to say it looks good on him. I only wish this would've happened years ago and who knows, guys like Hawk, Mr. Perfect, Eddie Guerrero, Brian Pillman, Louie Spiccoli, Crash Holly and many others might be around today if they did. Crash Holly and Mr. Perfect didn't die of steroid use. This thing won't hold up at all. They couldn't get a conviction 15 years ago and I'm sure that Vince isn't sweating this that much. The cause of their deaths may not have been steroid use, but they both used them. No question about it. So, I would think that by saying steroids didn't play a factor at all is a bit silly, because it certainly did. It may not have been the end result, but that's how it may have started. It probably starts at steroids and just goes downhill from there. The pills & garbage just gets worse & worse. The wrestling lifestyle is not a good one. Just look at everyone dying young and need I say more?
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Post by BigDaddyChacon on Jul 27, 2007 20:14:44 GMT -5
Man, I just see this situation getting worse and worse.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Jul 27, 2007 20:28:04 GMT -5
Yes, I realize that but I'm sure he was taking steroids and other things as well. crash NEVER took steroids, itd be like lindsay lohan giving up drinking and driving for good. anyways, only god knows how many superstars will be let go by the end of this year. I don't want to start a debate or anything, but how do you know for a fact that he didn't take steroids? Were you there? Did you live with him? Did you train with him?? No, you didn't. So, you wouldn't know for a fact. I say he did because for a small dude like that, he was pretty friggin' ripped. You are entitled to your opinions, as am I. Although they aren't the most reliable source of information, here's the link to his bio on Wikipedia as well as other sites: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Lockwoodwww.lordsofpain.net/news/2003_/articles/1069462600.phpwww.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/bios/cholly.html
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Post by leafs911 on Jul 27, 2007 20:29:29 GMT -5
this will be interesting, WWE will now really have to clean themselves up. The only thing i can suggest is that WWE will probably have to lighten up their schedule, start giving the wrestlers more breaks like, a few months off.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2007 20:35:08 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Crash Holly took steriods when he tagged with Hardcore Holly. How else do you explain them having a combined weight of over 400 lbs, huh?
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Post by quepaso on Jul 27, 2007 20:41:23 GMT -5
Wow, that's awesome. It'll be interesting to see how this goes. They've got Vince by the short & curlys now, don't they?? LOL. I can't help but to say it looks good on him. I only wish this would've happened years ago and who knows, guys like Hawk, Mr. Perfect, Eddie Guerrero, Brian Pillman, Louie Spiccoli, Crash Holly and many others might be around today if they did. Crash Holly and Mr. Perfect didn't die of steroid use. This thing won't hold up at all. They couldn't get a conviction 15 years ago and I'm sure that Vince isn't sweating this that much. Curt Hennig had an enlarged heart caused by years of steroid abuse, while cocaine was a cause of death, the enlarged heart also played a major role in causing the fatal heart attack. As I said before Holly's death certificate had steroids as a contributing factor to his death, and yes they were in his system at the time of his death.
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Post by mephisto on Jul 27, 2007 21:06:45 GMT -5
I've kept my mouth shut about this whole situation but congress getting involved kinda pisses me off. First of all, pro wrestling isn't a real sport, so the use of performance enhancing drugs doesn't effect the outcomes and therefore does not hault or damage competition. WWE doesn't legally have to do drug testing so any testing that does occur is going above and beyond the call of duty. WWE is an entertainment company that writes and scripts everything done. They have their performers show up and do as they ask, just like any actor or actress. Blaming wwe for wrestler drug use is like blaming the writers and directors of Lidsay Lohan's movies on all of her drug activities. The WWE can not and should not have to babysit their performers. However, since they do test their workers without a legal responsibility to do so, the punishment for drug use is left up to them. They are generous enough to send the performer to rehab on WWE's dime. As far as steroids are concerned, if the wrestler has a legal perscription for the medication, it is not WWE's call to tell them they can not use it. Pain is part of the job, and the wrestlers know that going in,so painkillers are necessential. As far as previous wrestling deaths, most of which occur from previous drug use from when the wrestling business was alot worse as far as drug use. Most are old schoolers from the 1980's when testing wasn't done. What i believe would help this problem in wrestling is not congressional hearings, but rather a lighter work schedule. Most of these wrestlers go non-stop for 20 years with little to no break. That kind of wear and tear does take a life shortening effect. The drug testing WWE does is helpful and more than any other wrestling/entertainment company does. In my own opinion, this guy has said it better than anyone so far in this thread.
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Post by timebombversion420 on Jul 27, 2007 21:13:45 GMT -5
If the tests are as solid as WWE would like us to believe, then it should be no problem to turn them over. Exactly enough said
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Post by jake_317 on Jul 27, 2007 21:32:07 GMT -5
The WWE's drug testing records are problay just like CIA documents, it's all disinformation.
Anyways, if wrestlers are prescribed steroids and painkillers, it's not illegal for them to test positive. But also, you all gotta understand...
DO YOU KNOW HOW SIMPLE IT IS TO BEAT A DRUG TEST? It ain't like a lie detector. Workers who haven't been caught, haven't got in trouble, because they most likely faked the tests.
So I don't expect that much backlash from this, the only thing WWE and their workers haven't covered up is Benoit, they'll just give Benoit up first thing, so they can get off with nothing.
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