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Post by jake_317 on Jul 27, 2007 21:33:37 GMT -5
and also, whoever called wrestling "not an actual sport" is a tool.
Do you not know alot of "ACTUAL SPORTS (Baseball, Football, etc.) is alot of the time, just as rigged, as pro wrestling
and pro wrestling, is just as physical. as any other sport.
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Post by Stuffs "Thunder" Liger on Jul 27, 2007 22:47:39 GMT -5
Mr. Perfect didn't die of steroid use. The official cause of death was acute cocaine intoxication, but it wasn't technically an overdose. His enlarged heart, due to the steroid abuse, went into arrest when he took the coke. So yes, he did. |
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Post by slappy on Jul 27, 2007 22:57:48 GMT -5
Why should just the WWE do it? Why shouldn't other companies do it as well.  Congress. Do something more productive. End the war, get us all health care, do education reform, something that is important. |
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Post by taker1 on Jul 27, 2007 23:21:37 GMT -5
I've kept my mouth shut about this whole situation but congress getting involved kinda pisses me off. First of all, pro wrestling isn't a real sport, so the use of performance enhancing drugs doesn't effect the outcomes and therefore does not hault or damage competition. WWE doesn't legally have to do drug testing so any testing that does occur is going above and beyond the call of duty. WWE is an entertainment company that writes and scripts everything done. They have their performers show up and do as they ask, just like any actor or actress. Blaming wwe for wrestler drug use is like blaming the writers and directors of Lidsay Lohan's movies on all of her drug activities. The WWE can not and should not have to babysit their performers. However, since they do test their workers without a legal responsibility to do so, the punishment for drug use is left up to them. They are generous enough to send the performer to rehab on WWE's dime. As far as steroids are concerned, if the wrestler has a legal perscription for the medication, it is not WWE's call to tell them they can not use it. Pain is part of the job, and the wrestlers know that going in,so painkillers are necessential. As far as previous wrestling deaths, most of which occur from previous drug use from when the wrestling business was alot worse as far as drug use. Most are old schoolers from the 1980's when testing wasn't done. What i believe would help this problem in wrestling is not congressional hearings, but rather a lighter work schedule. Most of these wrestlers go non-stop for 20 years with little to no break. That kind of wear and tear does take a life shortening effect. The drug testing WWE does is helpful and more than any other wrestling/entertainment company does. YES IT DOES! Steroids help you get stronger, faster, and well for lack of a better term, all around better. Wrestlers shouldn't be forced to take steroids just because other people are taking them and they see these guys are the only ones being pushed. Because that's the truth- only the big muscleheads and tall freaks get pushed in this company. They NEED to have a better drug policy in the WWE. Saying Vince doesn't need to have one is a load of crap. It's turned the company into a completely unfair work environment.. |
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Post by Stuffs "Thunder" Liger on Jul 27, 2007 23:58:14 GMT -5
The governement will not succeed in cleaning up anything if they only turn their attention towards WWE. They need to look at the entire wrestling business. The WWE sets the industry standard. People aren't roiding up in the indies to get that "ROH main event build". If the WWE sets a strict no drug policy and it is enforced, with public results and real punishment, practically the entire industry will change. It's not rocket science here. |
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Post by Stuffs "Thunder" Liger on Jul 27, 2007 23:59:52 GMT -5
I love how ESPN only reports badthings that happen to WWE. I'm sure, on a thread like this, it won't last, but this is an early candidate for dumbest single statement on the thread yet. On it's primary list of concerns for news, WWE falls somewhere between ping pong and women's professional grandma-style bowling. So the only news that will be reported is BIG news, and some of the negative stories are BIG news. |
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Post by Stuffs "Thunder" Liger on Jul 28, 2007 0:09:34 GMT -5
It's good to see that Congress has its priorities straight. 95% of Congress's time, since it's initial inception, has been political grandstanding and public displays, with the other 5% for actual lawmaking and legislating. Somehow I don't see the majority of this board complaining to congress except in situations when their precious WWE might be attacked. It's an incredibly dumb straw man argument. |
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Post by Stuffs "Thunder" Liger on Jul 28, 2007 0:14:37 GMT -5
Senator #1: "Alright. We've got an energy crisis, the president is lying to the nation, and we've got an unending war on our heads. What should we tackle first?" Senator #2: "How about pro wrestling? I mean, these guys could be using steroids! They're athletes!" Senator #3: "They're actors and athletes. It's called sports-entertainment." Senator #2: "Whatever. Either way, they should be held accountable like every other sport!" Senator #3: "Uhhh...why?" Senator #2: "Do you really wanna deal with the Iraq war right now?" Senator #3: "Steroids in wrestling it is! Those bastards!" Seriously, there are bigger things to be concerned about. If they're going to start checking for steroids in wrestling, then why don't they just start checking for steroids in Hollywood? HUGH world of difference. I'm pretty sure if Hollywood had the death toll wrestling has had in the past ten years, every actor would be pissing into a cup. This is a damn good thing. The business itself needs to be cleaned, and it starts with the biggest company out there. Lets see how good this welliness policy is. Mr. ****, meet Mr. Fan Stat from the most recent WON: 30% of the participants of WrestleMania IV have passed away. To find a World Series with the same mortality rate, you have to go to 1960. This is pretty black and white, people. I know that most of you have the mental level to grasp concepts larger than "DAMM CONGRESSS MESSN WIT MY WWE POOR VINCE", but for people to deny problems and to make excuses, the time for that has passed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2007 3:29:30 GMT -5
Wow, that's awesome. It'll be interesting to see how this goes. They've got Vince by the short & curlys now, don't they?? LOL. I can't help but to say it looks good on him. I only wish this would've happened years ago and who knows, guys like Hawk, Mr. Perfect, Eddie Guerrero, Brian Pillman, Louie Spiccoli, Crash Holly and many others might be around today if they did. Mr. Perfect died from a cocaine overdose,no? |
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Jul 28, 2007 3:40:34 GMT -5
^ Please, go back a page or two and read some of the other posts. It was pointed out more than once by a few people.
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Post by vertan on Jul 28, 2007 8:46:16 GMT -5
Senator #1: "Alright. We've got an energy crisis, the president is lying to the nation, and we've got an unending war on our heads. What should we tackle first?" Senator #2: "How about pro wrestling? I mean, these guys could be using steroids! They're athletes!" Senator #3: "They're actors and athletes. It's called sports-entertainment." Senator #2: "Whatever. Either way, they should be held accountable like every other sport!" Senator #3: "Uhhh...why?" Senator #2: "Do you really wanna deal with the Iraq war right now?" Senator #3: "Steroids in wrestling it is! Those bastards!" Seriously, there are bigger things to be concerned about. If they're going to start checking for steroids in wrestling, then why don't they just start checking for steroids in Hollywood? HUGH world of difference. I'm pretty sure if Hollywood had the death toll wrestling has had in the past ten years, every actor would be pissing into a cup. This is a damn good thing. The business itself needs to be cleaned, and it starts with the biggest company out there. Lets see how good this welliness policy is. Mr. ****, meet Mr. Fan I think he just means that both wrestlers are actors....so they should test actors in Hollywood too  And actually, I'm sure many more Hollywood stars than wrestlers have died over the last few years. - Vertan |
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Post by ultimatethey on Jul 28, 2007 8:50:39 GMT -5
Im surprised Hogan hasnt croaked yet from all the abuse he did Well i am sure there are other wrestlers who abused it. |
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Post by Mr.mike on Jul 28, 2007 11:16:10 GMT -5
No one is FORCED to do anything. A little personal responsibility would be nice. To quote an Al Pacino movie, "Free will; it is a bitch". Does WWE tend to pick the more muscular looking people? Yes they do, but thats not always the case and it is the owners preference. Just like casting directors only pick the beautiful and skinny women to be on covers and in movies. Does that give every other actress the Okay to have tons of face altering plastic surgery which may or may not go well, or to starve themselves to be a size zero? Vince is a big guy and probably believes that big men make for a more realistic show, which is probably why he pushes big men. It's believable for Kahli to be an unstoppable champion. It's believable for Batista to be an unstoppable champion. However, it is not believable for Rey Mysterio to be an unstoppable champion. But WWE also gives people like Edge the chance because it is believable that he can be a swarmy cheating bad guy. If you are not the biggest or the strongest in WWE you can still get over if you are charasmatic enough, or if the general audience catches on to you.
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Post by Random Hero Est. 2003 on Jul 28, 2007 11:32:50 GMT -5
Well, WWE is ed in the ass on this one. |
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Post by slappy on Jul 28, 2007 11:34:52 GMT -5
Well, WWE is ed in the ass on this one. No, they aren't. Vince doesn't have to turn them over. |
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Post by elviswashere2006 on Jul 28, 2007 11:49:33 GMT -5
not that i wanted to bring their name into this. but if they go after WWE, they should also go after TNA. Scott Steiner and Devon both have had pasts with Steroids.
however WWE lists professional Wrestlers as Independent Contractors. so therefore it is the responsiblity of the Superstar to not Endulge in the abuse.
I am not sticking up for the WWE. but this is pretty F'N stupid of our corrupt goverment
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