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Post by vaisthenewca on Sept 22, 2007 22:11:28 GMT -5
that of WWF/E didnt have a man by the name of Stone Cold Steve Austin they would have lost the monday night wars?
I know WCW would have gave up tons for Austin
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Post by Stevo on Sept 22, 2007 22:14:15 GMT -5
I think Vince could've made anyone his "Stone Cold" as long as the guy could cater to a crowd. Now, the WWF picked up a huge star in Stone Cold as far as wrestling ability and mic skills went, but not on the level that if they hadn't picked up Steve, they would've lost to WCW.
Basically, Austin was perfect for the "Stone Cold" gimmick, but that role could've gone to almost anybody and it would have been just as effective.
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Post by Codesters on Sept 22, 2007 22:15:58 GMT -5
Outlaw I some what agree but then again Austin brought the right look and ttittude to the table, so its kinda hard to decide,
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Post by carly1988 on Sept 22, 2007 22:23:40 GMT -5
i dont think they would have lost really. They still had guys like The Rock, DX, Hart Foundation to carry the load. WCW wouldnt give everything for Austin either, if you think about it they gave up on him and i dont think the Stone Cold gimmick would fit well in WCW
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Post by Mushroom Stomp on Sept 22, 2007 22:27:10 GMT -5
a gimmicks a gimmick IMO i believe anyone at that time could have been him,but i dont know if it would turn out as good as it did.so i say i dont know to your question
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Post by cenaroxorz123 on Sept 22, 2007 22:28:19 GMT -5
No, because it wasn't Austin who won it for WWE. It was Time Warner.
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Post by mercennario1080 on Sept 22, 2007 22:33:45 GMT -5
If they didn't revived the nWo tons of times, maybe they had won, or maybe WCW would still be alive.
Also, WCW thought Austin wasn't good, so they fired him.
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Post by Heresy on Sept 22, 2007 23:39:45 GMT -5
Basically, Austin was perfect for the "Stone Cold" gimmick, but that role could've gone to almost anybody and it would have been just as effective. Sorry, but I wouldn't believe that for a second. Vince didn't say to himself one day, "Gee, I'd sure like to push a wrestler with a redneck beer-drinker gimmick and make him the most successful wrestler since Hulk Hogan... auditions start tomorrow." Steve Austin was a unique wrestler who evolved into "Stone Cold" on his own, and tapped into an extremely large fanbase as a result. Who knows who could've risen to the top of WWE had Austin never signed, but saying almost anybody would've achieved equal success is seriously flawed. |
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Post by dr percival cox on Sept 22, 2007 23:41:16 GMT -5
It's impossible to say. The only way that it could be truly proven either way is if he had gone to WCW.
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Post by Flava Dave on Sept 22, 2007 23:58:19 GMT -5
I think Vince could've made anyone his "Stone Cold" as long as the guy could cater to a crowd. Now, the WWF picked up a huge star in Stone Cold as far as wrestling ability and mic skills went, but not on the level that if they hadn't picked up Steve, they would've lost to WCW. Basically, Austin was perfect for the "Stone Cold" gimmick, but that role could've gone to almost anybody and it would have been just as effective. Eh... not quite. Steve Austin made Stone Cold, not Vince McMahon. |
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Post by jomoishollywood on Sept 23, 2007 0:04:53 GMT -5
WCW fired him.
Huge mistake.
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Post by Stevo on Sept 23, 2007 0:43:52 GMT -5
Basically, Austin was perfect for the "Stone Cold" gimmick, but that role could've gone to almost anybody and it would have been just as effective. Sorry, but I wouldn't believe that for a second. Vince didn't say to himself one day, "Gee, I'd sure like to push a wrestler with a redneck beer-drinker gimmick and make him the most successful wrestler since Hulk Hogan... auditions start tomorrow." Steve Austin was a unique wrestler who evolved into "Stone Cold" on his own, and tapped into an extremely large fanbase as a result. Who knows who could've risen to the top of WWE had Austin never signed, but saying almost anybody would've achieved equal success is seriously flawed. Oh no, I'm not saying its all on the character and Austin was lucky to get the spot. Austin did morph into the "Stone Cold" character, and that in turn helped Vince out in the Wars. The biggest thing that Austin had going for him was his connection to the crowd, which can't be made by a gimmick, only the star. However, you can't seriously say all of the success was dependent on Austin being in the WWF. Stone Cold initially got over on being a rebel, and thats where the money was. Look at his Bret Hart feud, his feud against DX, and most importantly, his war against McMahon. Austin made the most money out of his feud with McMahon, because it was new and edgy. Sure, there were the Four Horsemen, the nWo, and the Russians of earlier days who had been the rebels of the company who took the leaders down, but McMahon was the first one to do it as a heel, and Austin as a face. You can't tell me that if someone who was already popular, and Austin wasn't the king of cash at that point either, went out there and took the "money-loving, power-abusive tyrant" of the promotion down, that it wouldn't have been huge in the wrestling world. Austin sure as hell affected the outcome of the Monday Night Wars, but vital to it? Not really, as McMahon had a slew of popular superstars who could have done a similar angle and a similar effect would've come out of it. The real popularity is in the character, which as I said before, was Austin's character all the way, but everything that "embodied the Attitude Era" in the gimmick, the stuff that made Austin a star, was in McMahon's booking. |
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Post by slappy on Sept 23, 2007 0:45:03 GMT -5
Nope, I don't belive it.
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Post by Master Lewpac on Sept 23, 2007 2:03:07 GMT -5
I think Vince could've made anyone his "Stone Cold" as long as the guy could cater to a crowd. Now, the WWF picked up a huge star in Stone Cold as far as wrestling ability and mic skills went, but not on the level that if they hadn't picked up Steve, they would've lost to WCW. Basically, Austin was perfect for the "Stone Cold" gimmick, but that role could've gone to almost anybody and it would have been just as effective. Well the fact that it was Sandman's first proves that anyone could pull it off. |
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Post by denhambrown on Sept 23, 2007 4:10:21 GMT -5
i love(d) the sandman... but in addition to being electric on the mic and being charismatic, which the sandman was as well, austin could actually perform real well in the ring, which the sandman could not. oh sure, he could nail somebody with a cane real well, and do sloppy ass hardcore moves, but austin could carry a main event. the personality was there for anybody to do it i suppose... anybody with charisma that is... but to become the biggest player in the sport, you have to be brilliant in the ring, which austin was for a while. you also had to have the look... of a drunken bar fighter with a blue collar personality essentially, which both austin and the sandman had... but shawn michaels, bret hart, the rock... other guys with charisma on the mic, and talent in the ring, didnt have anywhere near the look to be believable in the role. alot less people couldve pulled it off than is thought in this thread, sandman might be one of them, but he never couldve taken it to the level austin did because of his limited ring skills. and i cant think of a single guy in wwe right now that couldve pulled it off if he had come along 10 years earlier.
i personally believe they should bring back shawn stasiak and test this theory out though, just because it would be completely hilarious.
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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on Sept 23, 2007 8:05:33 GMT -5
Not entirely. Yeah sure he did play a relatively big part but its hard to say that he was the difference maker. Really if anything, it was his gimmick that was the factor because he could have had a stale gimmick.
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Post by tnafan4life on Sept 23, 2007 8:11:45 GMT -5
No.. because WWE didn't really put WCW out of business - I'm going by my OPINION though.
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