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Post by L 0 T T 0 on Jun 20, 2007 20:43:22 GMT -5
Courtesy of Gerweck.net , and ClubWWI.com
Eric Bischoff just did a shoot interview, and here's what he had to say about TNA.
"They have not done anything yet and I don’t even know any of those people except maybe Jeff Jarrett and a handful of talent working there. I don't know anyone behind the (scenes). I don't know Dixie Carter. If she showed up in my driveway, I wouldn't recognize her. I don't know anyone over there. I don't know who's doing what. I really don't care. So it's nothing personal here. I'd like to see them succeed…But the truth is, from what I've seen of their product, no one there really gets it. They're a small independent company that's been getting a 1.0 rating for the last five years. ..They keep trying to pull rabbits out of their hat with talent. 'Oh we're gonna bring in Sting and that's gonna turn the business around! ' Well, they brought in Sting, who's obviously a great talent, and guess what? Nothing happened. And then 'We're gonna bring in Christian Cage. It's a big surprise. He's hot in WWE and we got him and it's gonna turn things around.' Guess what? Nothing happened. Then 'We're gonna bring in Kurt Angle and he's the real deal. Things are gonna turn around!' Guess what? Nothing happened. Nothing's ever gonna happen until they get it."
Without you guys bashing TNA, or Bashing the WWE - My question is this is..... What does ERIC mean when he says, TNA did nothing when they got these superstar name wrestlers?
I myself have been watching wrestling for 20 years plus, and I think this is the worst state it's been in. I'm sticking around, because I am a die hard fan , and want business to pick up, as JR would say, once again.
What kind of things could really spart interest in the sport of pro wrestling, like the attitude era did in the late 90's?
I mean what ideas do you guys think could save the industry? What could WWE do better, what could TNA do better?
What did Eric mean when he said that TNA didnt do anything?
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Post by comebackkid on Jun 20, 2007 20:44:44 GMT -5
I see one fight start in here im locking.
TNA topic in here is 99% chance of WW3
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Post by ravensgathering on Jun 20, 2007 20:45:34 GMT -5
He means they have done nothing to draw the big audience to them. Sure they have brought in talent and had some ideas but they have done nothing yet to reel in the crowd.
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Post by Iron Man on Jun 20, 2007 20:45:46 GMT -5
Already posted in TNA board.
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Post by kimberlysghost on Jun 20, 2007 20:47:50 GMT -5
I hate to say it but Eric Bischoff has a point. But this is also going from the guy that helped run WCW into the ground. Kim
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Post by wwemark1 on Jun 20, 2007 20:49:14 GMT -5
Didn't draw ratings, draw buyrates, draw crowds, draw money.. take a pick..
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Post by L 0 T T 0 on Jun 20, 2007 20:49:48 GMT -5
Guys - It's not about a fight. It's about the state of pro wrestling, which includes TNA & WWE. I like both products, and I want them to get better, and succeed. I wanna know what ideas you guys have in how Wrestling can be brought back to the promise land. Compare and contrast how the WWE & TNA can help the industry BOOM once again?
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Post by classicfan on Jun 20, 2007 20:54:48 GMT -5
Eric just proved what I've been trying to say for the last year. TNA isn't what they think they are...
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Post by embalmer on Jun 20, 2007 20:55:35 GMT -5
And I'm NOT sticking around, because I am a die hard fan. I can't subject myself to this on a constant basis or otherwise I'd be forced off wrestling for good.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2007 20:57:15 GMT -5
He is basically stating that the success of TNA has barely even been affective to their ratings, which is the truth. They expected to be on WWEs level of success when they brought in these guys, and it just didnt happen. Dont get me wrong, Angle is the number one example of what I want to be, but bringing him did nothing but make a couple of big matches and push TNA breed guys down the ladder. The reason WCW got so big were Sting,Flair, Steamboat and Hogan because they were the biggest at the time, but times have changed. Sting is not the wrestler he used to be so its no surprise that he didnt have that big of an impact when he came. Cage wasn't bulit that well in WWE so his star power wasnt that great. I love to see him as champion and at the top, but TNA didnt really build him to main event status. They saw him as a guy from WWE so gave him automatic main event status. And Angle, as I mentioned, has put on great "dream" type matches, but he came into as a guy that was seen as someone that should taken awhile of to work out a ton of problems by his previous employer. I know he has been injury free since TNA, but coming into it a lot of people, including me, feared for his safety, and some still due. You cant make a big impact from just bringing in a couple of guys who have either ran their star power up or just playing started at the top in TNA when they were still midcard in WWE. If TNA were smart theyd hire someone like Bischoff or Heyman to help them build a successful company.
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Post by classicfan on Jun 20, 2007 20:57:19 GMT -5
And I'm NOT sticking around, because I am a die hard fan. I can't subject myself to this on a constant basis or otherwise I'd be forced off wrestling for good. Yea, you and thousands of others who have said this on the board just keep watching...
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Post by howardstern on Jun 20, 2007 21:00:38 GMT -5
TNA has all the potential to make it big, their product is great, even though some say its a spotfest. I think they are heading in the right direction but they need to stop picking up every guy the WWE drops. If they didnt draw massive ratings in the WWE, they sure as hell are not going to make TNA a huge success. Wrestling is in a pit right now, with WWE having no real competition and being able to put out crap for product and it still being successful, wrestling will not make a comeback for the traditional fans for a while.
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Post by L 0 T T 0 on Jun 20, 2007 21:10:28 GMT -5
What about WWE? What can WWE do, to make they're product as good as it once was? I mean, you have to give TNA credit - as plain and simple as they may be sometimes, they've tried to give us wrestling fans, more of what we want to see. Even if Sting isnt the same as he once was - I dont mind for a second seeing somebody like him on TV weekly.
And if TNA did hire Paul Heyman or Bischoff, what kinds of things would they do to help TNA? I'd love for either one of them to go there, but in a way - Vince is holding them hostage.
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Post by King of Kings on Jun 20, 2007 21:17:29 GMT -5
The Kurt Angle thing was indeed a shocker But will it be remembered in about 10 years? Maybe
What have they really done to gain themselves an part in wrestling history. Right now, the way I look at it, in 50 years people will (unfortunately) be talkin about John Cena. Kurt Angle will be talked about too, about his WWE Run, but I don't see TNA having any place in history. They're just an indy fed basically.
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Post by embalmer on Jun 20, 2007 21:23:28 GMT -5
And I'm NOT sticking around, because I am a die hard fan. I can't subject myself to this on a constant basis or otherwise I'd be forced off wrestling for good. Yea, you and thousands of others who have said this on the board just keep watching... I keep watching? Yea right. Sorry no, I dont waste my time. I'll tune in the odd time after I read results and I find out some F like Iron Sheik, Goldust, Viscera for example is on doing something substantial and will watch the repeat just at that segment but otherwise, no I don't keep watching and wouldn't put myself through that. So don't put me in that category. I havent watched a full Raw in years, Smackdown since maybe 2004.
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Post by jomoishollywood on Jun 20, 2007 21:32:25 GMT -5
Basically, they need entertainmet.
Storylines.
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Post by L 0 T T 0 on Jun 20, 2007 21:34:14 GMT -5
I'm not sticking up for either or, but I mean would Joe vs. Angle be less remembered then Vince McMahon killing himself?
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Post by inrogers29 on Jun 20, 2007 21:35:13 GMT -5
I agree with what Bischoff has said but I believe like someone else said, its more about the state of wrestling than anything.
Also, unless your a big fan, I dont really know how you would even know of TNA unless you ran across it on Spike
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Post by cooga99 on Jun 20, 2007 21:35:29 GMT -5
I agree with eric 100% on this. The way Vince made his company big in the lates 70s early 80s was we went and raided talent from other places. Hogan, Piper, Ventura etc. He got the top draws of the youngest talent that he could find. He got guys who were in their prime and were HUGE. The AWA had already built Hogan up, NWA had built Piper up. He really didnt have to bring in a fresh face and start from the ground up. Eric did the same thing with WCW. He brought in Hogan and Savage who were the "big draws" in WWF at the time. He already had developed stars like Sting, Flair and Luger. He never brought in any real washed up stars. Yes Hogan and Savage were old but after they came to wcw they wrested for another 10+ years. Look at what TNA has done. First they bring in Sting. That would have been a great choice 10 years ago. I love sting. I was a lil stinger before i was a Hulkamaniac. Sting isnt gonna put butts in the seats though. Next they bring in Christian Cage. I love christian. Thought WWE should have given him a BIG time push but instead they let him go. TNA brings him in and puts the belt on him right off hand. Now as a christian fan and wrestling fan i think its awesome but the more you think about it a mid carder in the "big leagues" is a world champion in the competition. Thats like TNA sayin "hey our best jobs to WWEs champions" Who would I rather have as my champion? Cena or Cage? Cage of course. Wrestling talent wise hes 10 times better. Whats the difference between Cage and Cena though?? Cena puts butts in the seats and sells tickets. We (the 20+ year old) dont like cena or the way wrestling is shaping up right now. But look what WWE is doing. They are getting the cheezy gimmicks like they did back in the 80s (white rapper, the boogeyman, etc) and that attracts to little kids. They also try to put the adult back into the show to appeal to the "mature" crowd. Thats why we see a lot of T&A and Exploding Limos. From what ive watched of TNA they dont have the gimmicks or story lines. Some people say they watching wrestling for the wrestling but how can that be?? Unless you started watching wrestling in the 50s and 60s its never been about "athleticism" its always been about the show. From Hogan to HBK to Austin To HHH to Cena. Its about the show. TNA doesnt have good writers. Their story lines arent that great. Their announcers cant sell the show. When i hear JR freak out by saying "by gawd, as god as my witness human anatomy just hit concrete" I think holy hell this guy just got knocked out. But when i hear Mike Tenay or that big fat guy that sounds like hes selling something on Home shopping network try and sell action i just dont feel it. TNA had the potential but i think the grew to soon. ECW built for almost 10 years before they tried to go "big time" TNA is tryin to do it in 4 and ECW was being raided by the WWE AND but on much better of a show the TNA ever thought about. Ive said it before and ill say it again. TNA will NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER EVER EVER be on the level, money wise, ratings wise, talent wise, show wise, writer wise or anything wise as the WWE.
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Post by Graze on Jun 20, 2007 21:41:54 GMT -5
I hate to say it but Eric Bischoff has a point. But this is also going from the guy that helped run WCW into the ground. Kim Your honor, I'd like to refer to the case of Kettle vs. Pot Anyways, I think for TNA to be successful they need to do the OPPOSITE of what the WWE is doing, IE great wrestling without crappy storylines. They need to be more like, well, ROH. They also need to drop the master of douchebagging Vince Russo. Give Corrnet the book. Stop trying to be like the WWE, and be the promotion on TV where wrestling comes first and everything else afterwards. Stop trying to be like Vince and make your own imprint on wrestling.
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