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Post by Todd Pettengill on Jan 15, 2008 8:34:22 GMT -5
If just because you were a good mat wrestler meant you were over, then why the hell is Charlie Haas a jobber that gets no reaction? It's because he doesen't have personality. To get over you need to have Charisma, an Attitude or a great Gimmick. Stunts also get you over. Most people today hate watching boring mat wrestling which is why people like Eddie, Angle, Jericho and Benoit who are (were) all great mat wrestlers resorted to adding aerial and stunt like moves to their sets. So shut up and learn about the business before you start talking. Oh and heres why the people got over that you listed, and it wasn't because they were "mat wrestlers" It's because they interacted with the fans through character,breath taking moments and wrestling. HHH = Stunts/Gimmick/Charisma/Attitude Cena = Previous Gimmick/Charisma Batista = Attitude Flair = Legend/Stunts (You cannot say he doesen't do insane stunts from time to time, MITB, takes sick bumps) MVP = Gimmick/Charisma Finlay = Attitude JBL = Attitude/Gimmick/Charisma Regal = Charisma/Gimmick CM Punk = Attitude/Charisma/Stunts Benoit = Stunts/Attitude Hart = Attitude/Charisma Owen = Stunts/Gimmick/Charisma M$M = Charisma/Gimmick Piper = Gimmick/Attitude/Charisma Mr. Perfect = Attitude/Charisma/Gimmick Taz = Attitude/Gimmick Shamrock (lol, who actually gave a **** about him?) = Attitude Jarrett = Gimmick Jeff Hardy is over due to his Attitude and Stunts and minor charisma. So the Harts, Regal, Benoit, and Dibiase weren't technical wrestlers BS. What stunts does HHH do? What stunts did Owen do? Hardy is a disgrace to this business. He is a spot monkey. Just don't. |
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Post by Edge618 on Jan 15, 2008 8:45:11 GMT -5
Yknow, I agree that people are stupid. Very stupid, however I'd like to hope parents have taught their kids that if you try and flip off of something, you can die. WWE doesnt push kids off roofs. They copy one of their stars. Also, if they banned some of Punk's and London's moves, why don't they ban Jeff's too?  I dont believe that crap about banned moves, espescially the "no strangling moves" because im pretty sure JBL gave Y2J a strangling last week. But anyway, Hardy is close to winning me over as a fan. If he can have a good match at the Rumble, than he'll be fine with me. He's already showed he can take the risks, but he needs to lay it down in the ring, not off a cage or the Raw set. |
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Post by reallypeevedoff on Jan 15, 2008 9:23:12 GMT -5
Seriously, with Jeff doing all these insane stunts and everything, what kind of message do you think that is sending to all the kids in the crowd?? "Ah, you can do some crazy twisting, flying move off a cage, but don't worry about it, you'll be fine. You can climb a tower and jump off and crash to the mat below and you'll be fine, it's ok." I know WWE constantly shows those "Don't try this at home" stuff, but with Jeff constantly one-upping himself all the time with insane stunts time & time again, I just think it's sending out the wrong message. It's only a matter time before some kid in the crowd attempts one of Jeff's crazy stunts and ends up paralyzed or dead. It's not good at all. Jeff should stop before he goes too far, not that he hasn't went too far already, but you get the point. Buts its ok for TNA to break out the Barbed Wire matches for Mesisas and Abyss oh come on, please writing this were the same ones who probably helped put ECW on the map as fans and the ones who Popped when Foley went off the hell in the cell WWE Fans = Hypocrites |
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Post by Silent Jay on Jan 15, 2008 9:27:57 GMT -5
So the Harts, Regal, Benoit, and Dibiase weren't technical wrestlers BS. What stunts does HHH do? What stunts did Owen do? Hardy is a disgrace to this business. He is a spot monkey. I never said they weren't mat wrestlers genious, HHH has been in every brtual match type ever made other than Money in The Bank which is TLC basically. Owen fell to his death... Enough said? Ohhh yeah because Owen was doing a high risk move right there  Triple H does controlled hardcore, he don't have to do it every night because that's all he knows. Jeff Hardy is s**t. You can rap a turd in nice looking paper, it's still a turd. Jeff Hardy is a [s]great[/s] horrible wrestler, but one with a lot of guts.Fixed |
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Post by DeadMan9O™ on Jan 15, 2008 9:29:45 GMT -5
I just watched the clip... That was  ing insane. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 9:41:09 GMT -5
Well the whole Raw reminded me of the attitude era. Anyone else
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 10:01:05 GMT -5
I like Jeff Hardy, but he should save big bumps like that for Pay Per Views. And I dont really understand why every week Orton shoould be outdone by everybody. Let him have the upper hand at least once before the Rumble
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Post by ericbischoff on Jan 15, 2008 10:03:34 GMT -5
True, he should keep a move like as that for PPV, so the match could end up No Contest, and Re-Match at no Way Out, in some special match, maybe Anywhere Falls Count, etc so Jeff and Orton can doing some big impact moves.
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Post by addam on Jan 15, 2008 10:45:39 GMT -5
jeff really hasn't done that many really risky spots since being back & right now he's in the biggest feud of his career, so why not pull out the big guns & make it count. there's no denying he's the most over guy on the roster right now, so he's got to use what he's got while he's hot & if it works, then more power to him. mick foley made his career doing dangerous stuff without being a great technical wrestler, but no one ever bags on him, he's a freakin legend.
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Post by AndyPeck13 on Jan 15, 2008 11:53:03 GMT -5
They copy one of their stars. Also, if they banned some of Punk's and London's moves, why don't they ban Jeff's too? I dont believe that crap about banned moves really?....when was the last time you saw a piledrive come from someone other than The King or Taker's tombstone? |
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Post by *Xx:DAN:xX* on Jan 15, 2008 13:26:12 GMT -5
why doesnt anybody aprecciate what jeff did. i mean he risked getting injured for our entertainment
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Post by @PaulGriffin on Jan 15, 2008 13:35:56 GMT -5
why doesnt anybody aprecciate what jeff did. i mean he risked getting injured for our entertainment OH MAH GAWD CUZ HE CANT WRELSTLER! BLAH!JASJFKAWjf! |
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Post by BulletV1 on Jan 15, 2008 13:38:00 GMT -5
I dont believe that crap about banned moves really?....when was the last time you saw a piledrive come from someone other than The King or Taker's tombstone? Tommy Dreamer dide a piledriver to RVD on one of the first episodes of WWECW. |
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Post by chumped on Jan 15, 2008 13:43:15 GMT -5
why doesnt anybody aprecciate what jeff did. i mean he risked getting injured for our entertainment Technically, so does every single wrestler out there. |
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Post by addam on Jan 15, 2008 14:06:12 GMT -5
why doesnt anybody aprecciate what jeff did. i mean he risked getting injured for our entertainment because it's part of the cool kids "i'm a 'real' wrestling fan" club to hate him & negate/downplay everything he does. |
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Post by @PaulGriffin on Jan 15, 2008 14:14:16 GMT -5
why doesnt anybody aprecciate what jeff did. i mean he risked getting injured for our entertainment because it's part of the cool kids "i'm a 'real' wrestling fan" club to hate him & negate/downplay everything he does. It's too bad the cool kids "I'm a 'real' wrestling fan" club isnt watching ROH. They arent going to find what they're looking for in the WWE. |
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Post by Gazza on Jan 15, 2008 14:20:14 GMT -5
That wasn't that risk, right? The camera not shows in the box when Jeff Hardy landing in the box. So I believe Randy Orton must move to side of the box and there a big crash mat under there, when Jeff Hardy landing it, and they suddenly move and make look like he actual landing on Orton. Apart from that been obvious. It's still a risk doing it from that hight, not matter what its on. You sure as hell wouldn't do it,even if there was a crash mat under it. |
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Post by addam on Jan 15, 2008 14:27:14 GMT -5
because it's part of the cool kids "i'm a 'real' wrestling fan" club to hate him & negate/downplay everything he does. It's too bad the cool kids "I'm a 'real' wrestling fan" club isnt watching ROH. They arent going to find what they're looking for in the WWE. ....and that's the worst part of it. if you're going to be a pretentious wrestling fan that thinks your opinion makes you somehow better than other fans then that's fine, but at least watch a program that's directed at what you're looking for. |
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Post by ztj_wwf on Jan 15, 2008 14:48:23 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy is underrated, for 2 straight weeks, he has given us something to talk about and risked his career, first a whisper in the wind off the cage, then a swanton off the stage.
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Post by iamkrang on Jan 15, 2008 14:59:17 GMT -5
I love how everyone bitches about WWE being horrible.
Then when its actually entertaining and someone new is getting over rapidly and actually makes the product entertaining to watch, you still complain like your part of the Old Folks Home Society.
Both of the spots were sweet, and should if anything show he is crazy for the fans, and crazy for the gold. Isnt that what everyone wants? Someone so passionate about the title to risk everything for the glory?
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