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Post by man on Feb 19, 2008 9:58:07 GMT -5
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Post by amxfiles on Feb 19, 2008 10:06:41 GMT -5
The effect that this "high-def war" has had on the gaming industry is so minute that HD dropping out means nothing. It'll still boost PS3 sales on the "High def video player" holdouts, but the American gaming world is so 360 centric that sales boost would have to be 300% to create any sort of noticeable shift in development.
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Post by man on Feb 19, 2008 10:31:57 GMT -5
True, but this would work with other PS3 factors. The system has gotten more and more affordable. It now houses the official next-gen player. And 2008 is a big year for the PS3 exclusives as the heavy-hitters finally hit the shelves (Final Fantasy and Metal Gear). 2008 may be the year for the PS3 to get back on track. I think the novelty act of the Wii has seen it's peak. And the 360 already debut it's most anticipated title (Halo 3). Fact is, there really isn't anything amazing on the horizon for either console, unless you count Super Smash Bros Brawl. The PS3, on the other hand, is now seeing the rest of the entertainment media finally start to catch up to it's technology. With in two years, you will NEED an HDTV. And as Wii and 360 become obsoleet, the PS3 will start to out-take them.
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Post by amxfiles on Feb 19, 2008 10:48:20 GMT -5
Out there you can name maybe three games listed on the PS3 horizon that will sell any sort of amount. Gran Turismo consistently outsells the MGS series. The last MGS game had a lackluster outing, with only 3.7 million copies sold, and LittleBigPlanet has yet to be show what the public interest truly is. The fact of the matter is, the best selling console games are world wide now are US developed games, and those developers are siding with the top selling US designed console with a rabid fanbase.
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Post by Happy Pizza on Feb 19, 2008 10:50:23 GMT -5
Old news. And I give you credit for waiting this long before resorting to your old tactics, but next time, you could at least spell obsolete correctly.
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Post by Jack Specific on Feb 19, 2008 12:49:05 GMT -5
Old news. And I give you credit for waiting this long before resorting to your old tactics, but next time, you could at least spell obsolete correctly. This is unlocked. This news is from this morning. Also WF is not a spelling or grammar contest. JS
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Post by Reasoning through Questioning on Feb 19, 2008 13:05:14 GMT -5
In 1 1/2 years ps3 will be the number 1 console in the world. Write that down.
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Post by man on Feb 19, 2008 13:06:25 GMT -5
Thank you for re-opening the topic!
In regards to the comment about the last MGS game sales performance, you are not taking into account several other factors.
1. MGS3 came out in 2004, and by this time the PS2 market was flooded with other big hits, like say GTA or Grand Turismo. Further more, a lot fans were not satisfied with the way MGS2 was presented (too little gameplay, too complex plot, and Raiden as the protagonist). Both factors are the lead cause for the lower sales of MGS3, not to mention the plot being set in 1964.
2. MGS4 does not have such handicaps. It is one of the most, if not THE most, anticipated title on the PS3. It has little to no competition in the PS3 market as it is one of the few actual exclusives (and a big one at that). So you got a highly anticipated game on a console where it has practically no sales competition. Frankly, it is far more likely to sell like MGS2 did (over 7 million copies) rather than MGS3.
3. Finally, you got the return of Solid Snake, the fan-favorite series protagonist. Given all these factors, I think that MGS4 will sell very well. I also believe that FF and MGS4 will be responsible for a boost in the PS3 sales as many people are simply waiting for those games (and another price drop).
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Post by Mole on Feb 19, 2008 13:14:24 GMT -5
True, but this would work with other PS3 factors. The system has gotten more and more affordable. It now houses the official next-gen player. And 2008 is a big year for the PS3 exclusives as the heavy-hitters finally hit the shelves (Final Fantasy and Metal Gear). 2008 may be the year for the PS3 to get back on track. I think the novelty act of the Wii has seen it's peak. And the 360 already debut it's most anticipated title (Halo 3). Fact is, there really isn't anything amazing on the horizon for either console, unless you count Super Smash Bros Brawl. The PS3, on the other hand, is now seeing the rest of the entertainment media finally start to catch up to it's technology. With in two years, you will NEED an HDTV. And as Wii and 360 become obsoleet, the PS3 will start to out-take them. Within two years, you won't need an HDTV. You will need a digital cable box or one of those analog to digital converters. And as the 360 actually becomes obsolete (and I have a feeling we still haven't seen the full potential, gameplay or graphics-wise, of the 360 yet) the next Xbox will be on the horizon. With the announcement from Toshiba that HD-DVD is done, that leaves the door fully open for Microsoft to announce the Blu-Ray add-on player. And while there won't be any 360 games on Blu-Ray, it definitely wouldn't shock me to see the next Xbox have Blu-Ray in it. Also, don't discount the popularity of Gears of War. While Gears 2 hasn't been announced, it is expected to be tomorrow during GDC, and it may not be on the horizon (if it gets announced) but it will make Microsoft and Epic a lot of coin. And with all due respect, Aresnal, I find it highly unlikely that people are waiting to buy a PS3 until MGS4 comes out. You know, I can quite easily be wrong, but I think with GTA 4 coming out in 2 months, I think that's what most HD Console hold-outs have been waiting on. And if Microsoft markets their exclusive content properly, the majority of them will be coming to Xbox 360. I think Sony and most Sony fans discount the importance of GTA's exclusivity (timed or otherwise) was to the Playstation 2, and it may end up biting Sony in the ass.
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Post by man on Feb 19, 2008 13:53:35 GMT -5
Well, I'm not relying entirely on MGS4. You can't forget about Final Fantasy and it's massive fanbase. As for GTA, not doubt. You are fully correct there. Unfortunetly something that is full of mindless violence (the pinacle of which is GTA) will always see high sales in the US market. Though if you look, Japan downright hates the game. The sales for any GTA in Japan are severely low. Not that I'm saying this makes any difference, just throwing out my opinion on GTA in general. Also, Street Fighter is creating a large buzz again. And last I heard, the full game features are not something that the current 360 online support can handle. This is creating a lot of buzz on the Street Fighte boards as it seems that the PS3 will get the better of that situation.
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Post by amxfiles on Feb 19, 2008 13:54:10 GMT -5
Listen, I love MGS. I've been a fan of Snake since I played Metal Gear on the NES, but MGS4 just isn't going to be the console seller that PS3 fanboys cry and wine about it being. MGS is going to have to sell 7 million PS3 units. Halo 3 has already outsold either MGS or MGS2 and it's only been out since September. Why? Because that's the core demo. Those are the games that sell on the system. The PS3 doesn't have that core demo that the 360 can rely on. The Even if it sells as good and fast as Halo three, that still wouldn't be enough to have it top total consoles sold by Nintendo, and it would only tie Microsoft. MGS4 is going to be in their top 3 sold games, that's for sure, but it's not Sony's savior. If nothing else, we are expecting GT4, FFXIII(and all of it's tie ins), and MGS4 to sell 10 million units. Which just doesn't happen in this day and age. Those 8 million that bought Halo 3? Most of them already owned a 360.
In the US, the 360 will reign. The Japan market is so drastically different from ours and rarely effects our own.
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Post by man on Feb 19, 2008 13:56:47 GMT -5
I'm not saying MGS4 will "save the PS3". I'm saying that it is ONE of the big factors for Sony in 2008. I just point out MGS4 in regards to your statement about MGS3. The situations for the release of MGS3 and MGS4 are NOT the same. That's all I was saying.
Yes, but Sony is not exlcusive to the US market. The whole world sales are all factored in. Yes, in US the 360 does dominate. But I'm talking about the overall sales. Street Fighter, Metal Gear, Final Fantasy... those are all popular brands (including US). All I'm saying is that it's too early to count the PS3 out. The market is could slowly start to turn in their favor.
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Post by The Funniest Guy in Pants on Feb 19, 2008 14:19:26 GMT -5
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Post by man on Feb 19, 2008 14:31:50 GMT -5
LOL! Well d'uh! Right there in the article it says:
It would be silly for them to say they are going exclusive to Blu-Ray. They already invested money in developing support for HDDVD. They can't just cut it out. Naturally they'll try to make double format machines to get some money out of the dying market.
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Post by Creative Has Nothing for Me on Feb 19, 2008 14:39:37 GMT -5
Old news. And I give you credit for waiting this long before resorting to your old tactics, but next time, you could at least spell obsolete correctly. This is unlocked. This news is from this morning. Also WF is not a spelling or grammar contest. JS haha...owned. Where's that one guy who was saying how much farther this war had to go? This was just like...days ago. I honestly don't see how anyone in their right mind thought that Blu Ray would lose this battle.
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Post by Graze on Feb 19, 2008 14:46:05 GMT -5
Meh, don't care. Nice to see it's over tho. I am still waiting for that Betamax add-on for my 360, get to it MS
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Post by man on Feb 19, 2008 14:48:27 GMT -5
That made me happy. Happy Pizza keeps locking and deleting my threads for no good reason. I finally had to shed some light on the situation.
True, but with some big companies initially getting behind HD DVD... there was confusion. Still, Blu-Ray does make more sense for next gen.
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Post by The Funniest Guy in Pants on Feb 19, 2008 14:55:56 GMT -5
This is unlocked. This news is from this morning. Also WF is not a spelling or grammar contest. JS haha...owned. Where's that one guy who was saying how much farther this war had to go? This was just like...days ago. I honestly don't see how anyone in their right mind thought that Blu Ray would lose this battle. That was me and that was before I knew that WalMart and a few others had announced that they were dropping HD-DVD. I still believe that had Sony not bought studio and retail support, this format war would have been completely different. But just because HD-DVD is pretty much gone (there will always be a niche market for it, just like Laser Disc) does not mean that this format war is over. Blu-Ray now has to take on DVDs, and later, digital downloads. I just don't see BR topping either of those formats. Well... maybe downloads, but certainly not standard DVDs.
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Post by amxfiles on Feb 19, 2008 15:00:25 GMT -5
If Sony wants to pull ahead, they are going to have to develop a game. As it stands now, they only have 3. Gran Turismo, MGS4, and Final Fantasy. Sony has lost Dragon Quest, which is such a massively popular title in it's home country.
Nintendo is a crazy force in Japan, when they do things right, they can do no wrong. Fact of the matter is, especially in Japan, the war will be won by Nintendo, especially since the DS a monster and Japan is in LOVE with the Wii more than we could only imagine. Something big needs to change, and releasing a Final Fantasy may not be enough by this point to overtake Nintendo. World wide sales over Microsoft? Absolutely. Sony SHOULD be doing better than they are, ESPECIALLY here, but they aren't. By it's first year, the PS2 was a monster. Something fell apart. People just aren't jumping on it's band wagon and that's a fact.
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Post by deskjet on Feb 19, 2008 15:09:09 GMT -5
This is nuts. I'm always years behind. Just now got a 360 and my goodness is an HDTV ever a necessity.
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