nirvana -dinosaur jr fans?

i'm a big fan of cree ingles' "how did they know kurt cobain had dandruff? they found his head and shoulders behind the couch." good song

I love both bands.

I grew up on grunge and the like.

Hehe Ive that joke for Princess Diana. "they found her head and shoulders in the glove department."

Kane Hodder
Schoolyard Heroes
The Fall of Troy
Jaguar Love
Pearl Jam(not really new, but still an amazing band)
Death Cab for Cutie
Modest Mouse
Smoosh
Sirens Sister
These Arms Are Snakes
The Briefs
Melvins(not new either, but King Buzzo is awesome)
Head Wound City(Members of Blood Brothers, Locust/Holy Molar, and the Yeah Yeah Yeahs. Not really Seattle but really good.)

RIP
The Blood Brothers
Pretty Girls Make Graves
Murder City Devils(Odd shows now and then but nothing new....yet)
Botch
Sleater-Kinney
Mon Frere
Vendetta Red

Some aren't punk or grunge but I love them all. Despite not even being gone that long, I miss the Blood Brothers, Jaguar Love may turn out to be just as fun.

Not really, not by standards of what people say punk "is". It's more or less bands using punk as a basis and going in a totally different direction as their final product. Listen to Kane Hodder, no chorus, ever. Their songs just have parts, they have hooks, but never a chorus, pretty good actually. Most of the songs have to do with movies.

Then again depends on your definition of punk. The point of punk was to rebel against what everyone else does. When every band is playing fast and loud not really rebelling are you? No it's why bands like Suicide and James Chance were called punk when they came around, but not would be electronic and experimental now. Hate to have this become the discussion about it, but punk is what you make it. It's not some guy with a mohawk, jean vest/leather jacket, jeans, and who calls "squatters rights" tells you it is. What started out as an open minded, poet based scene with Patti Smith and Richard Hell, became the most close minded scene in music, tied with indie music. It's very silly.

The debate on whether or not punk was something ugly and nasty, or some Coom-by-ya hippie poetry open minded ****, is null and void. Some people say Velvet Underground and Iggy Pop started punk rock, other people claim to high hell that it was the Sex Pistols and the Ramones, everyone has their own two cents to throw in on what 'is' punk.

Punk, to me, is having a good time, having an open mind, enjoying the kind of music that is associated with it, whether it's Complete Control, Blanks 77, or Doom and Nausea. - Punk has MANY different spectrum's. But to blatantly throw out the idea that squatters have nothing to do with punk rock is a bit silly. I don't agree with the squatting thing, in fact I think it's one of punk's stupidest sides, but to deny it is just as close minded as what you're calling the scene.

Punk is so close minded because it's been around longer than so many other subcultures, and for so many it isn't just a phase. It's very near and dear to so many people's hearts because it's one thing that was never able to be successfully marketed in it's raw state. You'll never see Appalachian Terror Unit on MTV or be able to buy their shirts at Hot Topic, you'll never see Flux of Pink Indians on a billboard or climbing up the charts, you'll never hear Filth on your favorite radio station or see them live on Good Morning America next to some **** like Three Doors Down.

Punk is the one genre that, at it's core has stuck by it's DIY ethic people based it on, it STILL has it's noncorforming values, as yes, while all punks look practically the same, it's not that we conform to punk or that we think we're some big individual - we're part of a group of like minded people. That is what punk rock boils down to for me. It's not my funny colored hair sticking straight up, it's not about doing drugs and drinking, it CERTAINLY isn't about how much you abstain from them, and it's not about the clothes you wear. Yes, their is a fashion in punk, yes their are drunks and druggies and straight edgers, but it's more than all of that, and to the people on this message board who bust my balls, like I've seen in certain threads - the only other thing I have to say is; go to a real punk rock show, meet the punks, hang out with them - punk rock is unity, the end.

I was going to post a big reply arguing how I didn't actually say squatting had nothing to do with punk, but screw it. I know it does, I was pointing out the stereotypical close minded punk who believes punk is defined by one sect of it, not the reality. So instead I'll post exactly who comes to mind when thinking about said punk. Courtesy of Rob Dobi.



About
oi! this reject attempts to relive the spirit of ‘77 but, alas, was born in ‘91.

as a lover of music that revolves around the poor and working class, it only seems fitting that this street punk resides with his parents in their greenwich, ct mcmansion.

like most in his scene, he doesn’t know the first thing about politics aside from what his father brings to the dinner table. he has a strong stance against fascism, racism and sexism even though he has no idea what any of those terms truly mean. this punk firmly believes in anarchy, but this does not stop him from posting all day on the rupert-murdoch-owned myspace.com.

although his lifestyle may seem to embrace rebellion and individuality, the pseudo-punk spends plenty of time ensuring that his leather jacket is adorned with enough studs and patches to look just like those of his friends. he claims to be ambivalent about what anyone thinks of his looks, but he will go out of his way to put elmers glue and five cans of hairspray into his liberty spikes so they can stand as tall as possible.

when asked about his fashion, he will firmly attest that clothing does not define a punk. rather, the offbeat form of dress is simply a sign that encourages unity and deflects negative nuisances- which is, ironically, how everyone else views them.