Pure-Shape-Mind
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Post by Pure-Shape-Mind on Apr 14, 2008 5:29:18 GMT -5
Magnum TA is the obvious answer here.
If he hadn't been in that car wreck, his eventual heel turn and association with the Horsemen would have turned him into an instant legend.
.....TA dropping the stache for a full heel beard would've been awesome.
Depressing when you think about it too much....
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Post by carly1988 on Apr 14, 2008 6:53:19 GMT -5
I agree greatly with Lance Storm and Jericho, they would have worked very well towards the end in a Benoit/Malenko type era. I could have seen the likes of Dick Murdoch, Stan Hansen working nicely in a Horseman role back in the day, but maybe they were a bit too well established as singles wrestlers the Horsemen. Really, there is a formula for the Horseman.
Ric Flair (leader) + Hard hitting Tag Team + Tall fella = Horseman (with option of a manager)[/b] Wha??? If there was a formula for the Horsemen it would be Leader (Flair), Enforcer (Arn, Ole, "Henning"), Technical (Blanchard, Benoit, Malenko, Pillman) and then your Power House (Sid, Windham, Mongo, Luger)..... Once Arn and Tully left NWA the Horsemen never really had a hard hitting tag team. Arn/Roma, Benoit/Malenko, Mongo/Jarrett none of which would i call hard hittin.... Leader+Bad Ass+Technical+Power House= 4 Horsemen, remember the Horsemen always said they were 4 individuals that worked as one.
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Post by craigisnutter on Apr 14, 2008 7:30:53 GMT -5
I agree greatly with Lance Storm and Jericho, they would have worked very well towards the end in a Benoit/Malenko type era. I could have seen the likes of Dick Murdoch, Stan Hansen working nicely in a Horseman role back in the day, but maybe they were a bit too well established as singles wrestlers the Horsemen. Really, there is a formula for the Horseman.
Ric Flair (leader) + Hard hitting Tag Team + Tall fella = Horseman (with option of a manager)[/b] Wha??? If there was a formula for the Horsemen it would be Leader (Flair), Enforcer (Arn, Ole, "Henning"), Technical (Blanchard, Benoit, Malenko, Pillman) and then your Power House (Sid, Windham, Mongo, Luger)..... Once Arn and Tully left NWA the Horsemen never really had a hard hitting tag team. Arn/Roma, Benoit/Malenko, Mongo/Jarrett none of which would i call hard hittin.... Leader+Bad Ass+Technical+Power House= 4 Horsemen, remember the Horsemen always said they were 4 individuals that worked as one.[/quote] True. But they did tend to tag up a couple of them on alot of occasions, as you mentioned. Maybe hard hittin wasn't to best choice of termanology. Those who were teamed up though, did seem to function nicely together. That's the only reason i say tag team. Your formula does indeed make sense my friend. As seen in Evolution which was basically Horseman 2003. Leader: HHH Bad Ass & Technical: Flair and Orton (i find these hard to distinguish though.) Power House: Batista The Reason i say Flair and Orton were hard to distinguish, was purely cos by that time, Flair wasn't as technical, he was getting on a bit, but then he wasn't a realy 'Bad Ass' as such, just the dirtiest playa in the game. Orton was quite popular, him being heel didn't actually last that long. Similarly he wasn't a technical wizard. but ye, the basic idea works. I conceed to your point.
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Post by Mark on Apr 14, 2008 12:45:50 GMT -5
Lance storm being a Horsemen wouldnt have worked. I dont know. just for a second vision him being a horsemen. The Horsemen had some type of UHMP to them. Lance doesnt scream that. He's more of the silent techincal wrestler its hard to explain We're talking about a stable that once featured Chris Benoit and Dean Malenko at the same time. Dean and Benoit had that aggression though and someone who you would look at and not want to mess with. Stor on the other hand, does not.
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Post by bad guy™ on Apr 14, 2008 12:49:48 GMT -5
Jericho or Storm. That is really all.
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Post by Kurt Burton: Script Doctor! on Apr 14, 2008 13:01:47 GMT -5
There was suppossed to be a new generation four horsemen at one point with Guerrero/Benoit/Malenko/Jericho, but it never panned out.
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Post by bad guy™ on Apr 14, 2008 13:45:28 GMT -5
There was suppossed to be a new generation four horsemen at one point with Guerrero/Benoit/Malenko/Jericho, but it never panned out. Never would have happened. Flair/Anderson would never have allowed it without them. Anyways, Guerrero/Benoit/Malenko were all in a stable if I am correct....dang....what were they called? The Radicalz I think.
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Post by Zincdust on Apr 14, 2008 18:33:37 GMT -5
There was suppossed to be a new generation four horsemen at one point with Guerrero/Benoit/Malenko/Jericho, but it never panned out. Y'know, now that I think about it, I remember reading online (back in '97 or '98, possibly) about WCW having plans to create an "Anti-Horsemen" or "Dark Horsemen" group with Eddie Guerrero, Jeff Jarrett, Chris Jericho and either Alex Wright or Bill Goldberg.
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Post by moogie101 on Apr 16, 2008 3:39:32 GMT -5
I always felt that Stunning Steve Austin would have been perfect, a great wrestler who just needed a push & being in the horsemen would have provided that
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Post by raz2005uk on Apr 16, 2008 10:03:46 GMT -5
i asked my brother the same question today - he just turned around and said "doink the clown"
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Post by BIGticket5 on Apr 17, 2008 9:36:21 GMT -5
I agree greatly with Lance Storm and Jericho, they would have worked very well towards the end in a Benoit/Malenko type era. I could have seen the likes of Dick Murdoch, Stan Hansen working nicely in a Horseman role back in the day, but maybe they were a bit too well established as singles wrestlers the Horsemen. Really, there is a formula for the Horseman.
Ric Flair (leader) + Hard hitting Tag Team + Tall fella = Horseman (with option of a manager)[/b] Wha??? If there was a formula for the Horsemen it would be Leader (Flair), Enforcer (Arn, Ole, "Henning"), Technical (Blanchard, Benoit, Malenko, Pillman) and then your Power House (Sid, Windham, Mongo, Luger)..... Once Arn and Tully left NWA the Horsemen never really had a hard hitting tag team. Arn/Roma, Benoit/Malenko, Mongo/Jarrett none of which would i call hard hittin.... Leader+Bad Ass+Technical+Power House= 4 Horsemen, remember the Horsemen always said they were 4 individuals that worked as one.[/quote] sure i'll get flamed for this blasphemis comment but... jericho+batista+ +cena using that formula. three tweeners who are immensely popular yet really need a serious gimmick makeover. any ideas for the technical fourth that fits the stale, rule-breaking tweener mold? punk and orton aren't tweeners. maybe if cena was the leader and jericho was the technical then big show could be the powerhouse. yep, that works!
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Post by BIGticket5 on Apr 17, 2008 9:40:53 GMT -5
There was suppossed to be a new generation four horsemen at one point with Guerrero/Benoit/Malenko/Jericho, but it never panned out. Y'know, now that I think about it, I remember reading online (back in '97 or '98, possibly) about WCW having plans to create an "Anti-Horsemen" or "Dark Horsemen" group with Eddie Guerrero, Jeff Jarrett, Chris Jericho and either Alex Wright or Bill Goldberg. it was called newWORLDorder. very dark, in fact. they wore all black
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Post by Silent Jay on Apr 17, 2008 21:34:43 GMT -5
Why does Mongo get so much crap as a Horsemen? Sure he wasn't technically sound but he screamed the Horsemen attitude. He was rough, could legit kick your ass, and lived a lavish lifestyle. Minus the technical ability he was the closest anyone has ever got to replacing Tully in the group.
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Post by carly1988 on Apr 17, 2008 22:48:44 GMT -5
Why does Mongo get so much **** as a Horsemen? Sure he wasn't technically sound but he screamed the Horsemen attitude. He was rough, could legit kick your ass, and lived a lavish lifestyle. Minus the technical ability he was the closest anyone has ever got to replacing Tully in the group. Honestly, if I had to rank every Horseman Mongo wouldnt be that bad. He would probably be in the middle of the pack...Infact, Ill rank them where i think they go........ 1)Ric Flair-Obvious Reasons 2)Arn Anderson- Obvious Reasons 3)Tully Blanchard- Obvious Reasons 4)Barry Windham-I think he just slight fit better then Ole and was a better athlete. 5)Ole Anderson-The original 4 should be the top 4 but honestly i never really thought HORSEMAN when I looked at Ole, i thought ...Papaw 6)Chris Benoit-Pound for Pound had it all 7)Brian Pillman- Pure athlete, very over as a heel or face with Horsemen and had the "it" factor 8)Dean Malenko- The Iceman gimmick doesnt really fit into The Horsemen mentality. I think if he wouldnt have tagged up with Benoit he would be much lower on the list 9)Steve McMichael- Horsemen were like the Rolling Stones of Wrestling. Mongo, although not the greatest wrestler fit the mold and lifestyle of a Horseman to a T. If he had spent his career as a wrestler and not a football player he could be much higher up on the list. 10)Sting/Lex Luger- Im gonna tie these two. They really never came off as Horsemen and basically were just Horsemen to boost their careers. I think everyone could see these two wouldnt last. 11)Jeff Jarrett/Curt Henning-Could be on the same level with Sting and Luger but the fact that neither were Horsmen that long nor did they really accomplish anything while Horsemen puts them lower on the list. 12)Sid Vicious- Really had no reason being a Horsemen. Reminded me more of body guard then a member of the Horsemen. Never accomplished anything and really isnt that great of a worker. 13)Paul Roma- Hands down the WORSE Horseman of all time. Here is the most elite group in pro wrestling and their 4th member is a guy who teamed with Jim Powers and couldnt beat the ing Conquistadors!!
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