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Post by The Dude on Apr 21, 2008 16:05:31 GMT -5
Seeing as there are a lot of "if so and so didn't die..."
If Owen never died, would he have been the one that "ran down Austin?" Seeing as he was the one who really broke Austin's neck, and Rikishi being the driver never made sense, yeah he did it for "Da Rock" But Big Show ended up winning the title that night. It also would have helped Owen escalate into the main event.
Thoughts?
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Post by scoobypat on Apr 21, 2008 16:31:46 GMT -5
I'm going to assume you weren't watching wrestling at the time because you have the storyline crossed and years of wrestling just thrown out here. Owen breaking Austins neck was addressed in storytline it actually happened a long time before the storyline you're reffering to, like a good 3 or 4 years. I'll clear it up though to the best of my memory.
Ok the Austin/Owen storyline is actually what for all intensive purposes created the SCSA we all know and love. It all started in a match in which Owen accidently delivered a piledriver that did not protect Austins neck. Austin was severly injured in real life (I want to say this feud happened in like 1996) and required surgery that took him out of the ring for months. In real life Austin was bitter towards Owen becasue he felt he was irresponsible and never rightfully apologized for doing it, also he was with out a doubt frustrated because this injury took him out of action during what was shaping up to be his first big push. When Austin returned he had a bitter attitude to his character (obviously taken from his real life feelings) he called out Owen for hurting him and the feud began. This new persona that Austin had come into really is what elevated his character, during this feud he had an insatiable appetite for vengence and he took it out mid-matches on guys and on Vince (which had never been done before) and so forth. Austin claims that he doesn't harbor anymore resentment in real life to Owen at the time of his death or now. In his book he explains it as basically just being frustrated with the position he was in at the time.
The Rikishi feud was like years later, I'm think like 2001, way after any of that, and after Owens death. I'm pretty sure Rikishi was the intended person the whole time and it did make sense at the time. Rikishi and the Rock were always mentioned as cousins, in real life Austin was going to take time of for a surgery I think so they wrote him out by hitting him with a car. The main event was really crowded at the time and when it was revealed Rikishi was the driver he claimed he "Did it for da Rock" . Apparently he felt the Rock was never getting a fair shake at the title for alot of reasons so he eliminated Austin from the picture to give him a shot. This all led up to the 6 man Hell in the Cell at Armagedon where Angle emerged as champion I believe.
NOTE: I'm going of pure memory so if stuff is wrong that's why, but I'm confident the entire gist of it is right.
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Post by HugoOne on Apr 21, 2008 16:57:53 GMT -5
There's a probably that if Owen never died, the "Who ran Austin?" storyline would have never gone on either. The whole Butterfly Effect theory. Like the above poster said, it's hard to say when you're crossing years of wrestling. There are many different ways Owen could have gone for the Championship. I'd say the Royal Rumble would have been perfect for him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2008 17:19:46 GMT -5
I'm going to assume you weren't watching wrestling at the time because you have the storyline crossed and years of wrestling just thrown out here. Owen breaking Austins neck was addressed in storytline it actually happened a long time before the storyline you're reffering to, like a good 3 or 4 years. I'll clear it up though to the best of my memory. Ok the Austin/Owen storyline is actually what for all intensive purposes created the SCSA we all know and love. It all started in a match in which Owen accidently delivered a piledriver that did not protect Austins neck. Austin was severly injured in real life (I want to say this feud happened in like 1996) and required surgery that took him out of the ring for months. In real life Austin was bitter towards Owen becasue he felt he was irresponsible and never rightfully apologized for doing it, also he was with out a doubt frustrated because this injury took him out of action during what was shaping up to be his first big push. When Austin returned he had a bitter attitude to his character (obviously taken from his real life feelings) he called out Owen for hurting him and the feud began. This new persona that Austin had come into really is what elevated his character, during this feud he had an insatiable appetite for vengence and he took it out mid-matches on guys and on Vince (which had never been done before) and so forth. Austin claims that he doesn't harbor anymore resentment in real life to Owen at the time of his death or now. In his book he explains it as basically just being frustrated with the position he was in at the time. The Rikishi feud was like years later, I'm think like 2001, way after any of that, and after Owens death. I'm pretty sure Rikishi was the intended person the whole time and it did make sense at the time. Rikishi and the Rock were always mentioned as cousins, in real life Austin was going to take time of for a surgery I think so they wrote him out by hitting him with a car. The main event was really crowded at the time and when it was revealed Rikishi was the driver he claimed he "Did it for da Rock" . Apparently he felt the Rock was never getting a fair shake at the title for alot of reasons so he eliminated Austin from the picture to give him a shot. This all led up to the 6 man Hell in the Cell at Armagedon where Angle emerged as champion I believe. NOTE: I'm going of pure memory so if stuff is wrong that's why, but I'm confident the entire gist of it is right. Youve pretty much got it down to a tee. But, the Austin/Owen fued was mid-late '97 and Kishi didnt run ol' Austin down till late 99. |
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Post by Chicago on Apr 21, 2008 18:50:30 GMT -5
No, I don't think so.
It's difficult to say where Owen would have ended up had he not died (except for, of course, him winning the Intercontinental title that night against the Godfather). As scoobypat above mentioned, the two storylines were at least two years apart and I don't believe WWF/E intended on reviving the Owen/Austin feud any further after 1997.
Also, as was also mentioned by scoobypat, Austin pretty much flat-out refused to work with Owen after his being so careless in protecting him during their matches (specifically, the SummerSlam '97 IC title match). So, if that is the case, I really doubt Austin would have agreed to work another program with Owen in 1999. And, Owen was basically stuck in the mid-card forever and I would go as far to say that he would never have been WWF Heavyweight Champion if he didn't die at OTE 1999.
I remember reading a little while back that Owen also planned to retire in a few years (prior to his death in 1999), and I believe his last shot at the title would be in late '97 when facing Shawn Michaels. Of course, we'll never know for sure what would have happened for the rest of '99, 2000 and in the years ahead, so all we can do is ask "what ifs" forever. But, no, I don't think that would be a route WWF/E would have taken with Owen at the time.
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Post by scoobypat on Apr 21, 2008 21:03:36 GMT -5
People seem to forget that Owen had a very full career, he wasn't so much a rising star anymore. I'm quite sure Owen probably would have retired in a few years as mentioned previously, he was always mentioned as a family man who had a hard time being away from them. It's funny, I guess wrestlers are alot like artists because alot of the deceased ones only have their work appreciated when they've passed away. If Owen was as over then as he is now he deffinitly would have gotten a run at the title, his popularity has seemed to explode in death. Eddie G is the same thing, he was popular but not nearly as over as he is now.
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Post by The-Rock on Apr 21, 2008 23:04:36 GMT -5
I'm going to assume you weren't watching wrestling at the time because you have the storyline crossed and years of wrestling just thrown out here. Owen breaking Austins neck was addressed in storytline it actually happened a long time before the storyline you're reffering to, like a good 3 or 4 years. I'll clear it up though to the best of my memory. Ok the Austin/Owen storyline is actually what for all intensive purposes created the SCSA we all know and love. It all started in a match in which Owen accidently delivered a piledriver that did not protect Austins neck. Austin was severly injured in real life (I want to say this feud happened in like 1996) and required surgery that took him out of the ring for months. In real life Austin was bitter towards Owen becasue he felt he was irresponsible and never rightfully apologized for doing it, also he was with out a doubt frustrated because this injury took him out of action during what was shaping up to be his first big push. When Austin returned he had a bitter attitude to his character (obviously taken from his real life feelings) he called out Owen for hurting him and the feud began. This new persona that Austin had come into really is what elevated his character, during this feud he had an insatiable appetite for vengence and he took it out mid-matches on guys and on Vince (which had never been done before) and so forth. Austin claims that he doesn't harbor anymore resentment in real life to Owen at the time of his death or now. In his book he explains it as basically just being frustrated with the position he was in at the time. The Rikishi feud was like years later, I'm think like 2001, way after any of that, and after Owens death. I'm pretty sure Rikishi was the intended person the whole time and it did make sense at the time. Rikishi and the Rock were always mentioned as cousins, in real life Austin was going to take time of for a surgery I think so they wrote him out by hitting him with a car. The main event was really crowded at the time and when it was revealed Rikishi was the driver he claimed he "Did it for da Rock" . Apparently he felt the Rock was never getting a fair shake at the title for alot of reasons so he eliminated Austin from the picture to give him a shot. This all led up to the 6 man Hell in the Cell at Armagedon where Angle emerged as champion I believe. NOTE: I'm going of pure memory so if stuff is wrong that's why, but I'm confident the entire gist of it is right. all correct....but Angle beat The Rock at No Mercy for the title, and Rikishi and Austin fought at No Mercy and austin tried to run over Rikishi until the cops came. Angle defended at Armegedon and the Austin/Rikishi feud was already old news by then |
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Post by scoobypat on Apr 21, 2008 23:20:34 GMT -5
I'm going to assume you weren't watching wrestling at the time because you have the storyline crossed and years of wrestling just thrown out here. Owen breaking Austins neck was addressed in storytline it actually happened a long time before the storyline you're reffering to, like a good 3 or 4 years. I'll clear it up though to the best of my memory. Ok the Austin/Owen storyline is actually what for all intensive purposes created the SCSA we all know and love. It all started in a match in which Owen accidently delivered a piledriver that did not protect Austins neck. Austin was severly injured in real life (I want to say this feud happened in like 1996) and required surgery that took him out of the ring for months. In real life Austin was bitter towards Owen becasue he felt he was irresponsible and never rightfully apologized for doing it, also he was with out a doubt frustrated because this injury took him out of action during what was shaping up to be his first big push. When Austin returned he had a bitter attitude to his character (obviously taken from his real life feelings) he called out Owen for hurting him and the feud began. This new persona that Austin had come into really is what elevated his character, during this feud he had an insatiable appetite for vengence and he took it out mid-matches on guys and on Vince (which had never been done before) and so forth. Austin claims that he doesn't harbor anymore resentment in real life to Owen at the time of his death or now. In his book he explains it as basically just being frustrated with the position he was in at the time. The Rikishi feud was like years later, I'm think like 2001, way after any of that, and after Owens death. I'm pretty sure Rikishi was the intended person the whole time and it did make sense at the time. Rikishi and the Rock were always mentioned as cousins, in real life Austin was going to take time of for a surgery I think so they wrote him out by hitting him with a car. The main event was really crowded at the time and when it was revealed Rikishi was the driver he claimed he "Did it for da Rock" . Apparently he felt the Rock was never getting a fair shake at the title for alot of reasons so he eliminated Austin from the picture to give him a shot. This all led up to the 6 man Hell in the Cell at Armagedon where Angle emerged as champion I believe. NOTE: I'm going of pure memory so if stuff is wrong that's why, but I'm confident the entire gist of it is right. all correct....but Angle beat The Rock at No Mercy for the title, and Rikishi and Austin fought at No Mercy and austin tried to run over Rikishi until the cops came. Angle defended at Armegedon and the Austin/Rikishi feud was already old news by then Ah yes now I remember. Rikishi was waiting the whole night I believe, I don't think it was a technically a match just a confrontation. Rikishi had his denim Rikishi suit on (I remember that tacky thing like it was yesterday) the cops pulled in front of Austin which is the only thing that stopped him. This thread brought back memories. |
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Post by WalterF on Apr 21, 2008 23:33:39 GMT -5
I often wonder where Owen would end up if he hadn't died. He was struggling when he did die, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't have taken alot for him to rise back up in the ranks again.
I know, one thing is he was working to make sure he had the money to finance his new home. So maybe he would have stuck around til the end of his contract and then leave WWE.
Maybe he would have hung around, rised up as a veteran and could have ended up becoming multi-time WWE champion.
Maybe he just would have went to WCW and eventually team with Bret.
I mean, there are so many different possible ways to think about it. But it is an interesting topic.
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Post by BcBlingin- Scooter Glenwood on Apr 22, 2008 0:32:11 GMT -5
Why is it when a wrestler dies while still active everyone says he was going to be the big winner?
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Post by Mark on Apr 22, 2008 0:51:16 GMT -5
It was pretty distasteful Owen had that Owen 3:16 t shirt
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Post by scoobypat on Apr 22, 2008 10:19:49 GMT -5
It was pretty distasteful Owen had that Owen 3:16 t shirt They were trying to stretch it into an angle, he wasn't doing it to be a dick. |
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Post by The Main Event on Apr 22, 2008 11:12:12 GMT -5
Owen was forever being held back in the midcard at that point, most probarbly (and sadly) as punishment for the Austin situation (If the "top guy" at that time- in this case Austin- cites someone- Owen- as a bad worker then I doubt that guy would be getting a push anytime soon.) As sad as it is to say, I reckon had Owen not died he would have faded further into mid-card mediocraty and probarbly retired soon after. Which is a shame because he really should have been a World Champion. Heck, he was underused his WHOLE CAREER so what makes you think he would have been the (as somebody already said) "big winner" if he hadn't passed away?
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Post by scoobypat on Apr 22, 2008 11:41:02 GMT -5
Owen was forever being held back in the midcard at that point, most probarbly (and sadly) as punishment for the Austin situation (If the "top guy" at that time- in this case Austin- cites someone- Owen- as a bad worker then I doubt that guy would be getting a push anytime soon.) As sad as it is to say, I reckon had Owen not died he would have faded further into mid-card mediocraty and probarbly retired soon after. Which is a shame because he really should have been a World Champion. Heck, he was underused his WHOLE CAREER so what makes you think he would have been the (as somebody already said) "big winner" if he hadn't passed away? The neck incident happened far before Austin was the WWF's prized child. In all honesty that role was for the taking, Austin just really elevated his character after that incident but I firmly believe that Owen could have just as easily used the event to push himself to the top, it just wasn't in his cards. |
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