Eskimo Joe
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Post by Eskimo Joe on May 1, 2008 11:34:07 GMT -5
Hogan is amazing on the mic, but I still think Flair's promos are better. As for ringwork, Flair totally outshines. Hogan is much more marketable though.
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Treball
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Post by Treball on May 2, 2008 16:59:10 GMT -5
Honestly, Vince McMahon could have made a "Hulk Hogan" out of anyone if he wanted. Nope. Billy Gunn anyone? Man....they wanted him to be something...so many times....
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Post by hulkhogancollector on May 4, 2008 16:06:56 GMT -5
You know what, it's stilly to debate something that is so opinion-oriented. There is not "best wrestler" in prowrestling. Why? Because that's not what the business is all about. It's about entertainment and giving the people a show that will remember. RIC FLAIRRic Flair is listed a great wrestler... why? This is pro-wrestling. It's fake. So you can't really tell me that Flair is a great "wrestler" because it's all scripted. HBK and other fast-movers are very entertaining due to the fancy moves they pull off. But Flair was not a high-flyer. Heck, neither was Bret Hart. I've yet to watch one of these "great technical" matches and not be tempted to turn it off 2 minutes into it. What made Flair fun to watch were his dirty tactics. I could care less how well he executes a headlock or a figure four. All of that is fake and non of it is interesting. But he cheats, and that is fun to watch. He sells very well to his opponents and that makes the match interesting. Nothing to do with actual wrestling abilities. HULK HOGANHogan was interesting because he stood out. You got a guy that, at the time, looked in far better shape than vast majority of the roster. He was bright, colorful, and energetic. Hogan basically personified what you saw in kids media at the time. He-man, Thundercats, as well as other shows focused on super-human muscle men. What made him interesting to watch was wondering if he could slam someone so big and "scary". Could the super-hero beat this monster? Nobody came to see Hogan doing headlocks and takedowns. They wanted to see a fun show of a super-hero fighting monsters and villains wile overcoming all obsticles. That's what made Hogan popular in the 80's. HOGAN VS FLAIRProwrestling has nothing to do with wrestling abilities, NOTHING! It's all about puting on a show. Both Hogan and Flair were able to put on a great show. It was fun to watch Hogan overcome the impossible to win. It was fun to watch Flair cheat his way to victory. They gave the fans what the fans came to see. As for who was better? Such a debate is pointless. Everyone prefers different things. I've always like Hogan, but that doesn't cement it in fact that he is the best. What would give Hogan the edge in this type of an argument would be the high-profile bouts he has had in his career that withstand the test of time. Flair vs Rhodes? Flair vs Von Erichs? Flair vs Steamboat? 20 years later, nobody but the hardcore older fans care. However, Hogan/Andre, Hogan/Warrior, Hogan/Flair, Hogan/Sting, Hogan/Goldberg, Hogan/Rock... those withstand the test of time. It doesn't matter if you didn't like the match or thought it wasn't technical enough. That isn't really the goal of prowrestling. The idea is to creat a show that people will remember. In the end, Hogan did a better job of it than Flair. He did it on a much bigger scale. If Flair was in the WWF in 1986, would Hogan still be the lead? Hell yeah! Hogan was exactly what the fans wanted in the 80's. No different than what the NWO, Stone Cold, and the Rock where what was interesting to the masses in the late 90's. It's entertainment, not a sport. It's about putting on a show, not scoring technial points. Flair is a great worker and never needed to change his gimmich. That's great, but it is also the reason why he will not be remebered as THE man later down the road. He doesn't have any MASSIVE matches, besides his final one with HBK, that people will remember and hold on to. Hogan, he was a trend. As Hulk and as Hollywood. He answered to what the times were asking for. In the 80's he was the ultimate good guy. In the 90's he was the ultimate rule-breaker. And his comeback to the WWE was a great nostalgia ride. He had matches that he will be remembered for because they defined various corner stones of the business. Flair did not. Awesome post! I could not write that better if I wanted to. I enjoy both of them but if Flair gotten as much attention as Hogan the Internet would be trashing him. Something about Human nature people don't like those who do better than they do so they rally for the underdog. Just like in the computer world they trash Microsoft and celebrate Unix same principle.
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The Boglin
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Post by The Boglin on May 5, 2008 11:40:40 GMT -5
it's silly debate something opinion oriented? um, that's the only thing you CAN debate, I think it makes for a great debate. I hate when people here say stuff like "wrestling is fake....."
It's just annoying.
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Post by DTP. on May 5, 2008 12:24:01 GMT -5
Of course Hogan is greater. He is a steroid-taking freak dagnabbit.
Hogan coming into WCW stole Flair's thunder. Period.
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Post by DTP. on May 5, 2008 12:27:03 GMT -5
Hogan is amazing on the mic, but I still think Flair's promos are better. As for ringwork, Flair totally outshines. Hogan is much more marketable though. Double post ftw, And while Hogan had the charisma he sorta used the wrong words sometimes :-\
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The Main Event
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Post by The Main Event on May 5, 2008 13:09:48 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan was in the right place at the right time, and a lot of his popularity came from the fact he beat the "evil foreign heel" Iron Sheik for the Championship. Ric Flair was IMO a country mile better than Hogan.
Shawn Michaels blows both out of the water though.
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Post by TeamExtreme718x on May 11, 2008 21:29:57 GMT -5
Even though Hogan sold merchendise,etc..Doesnt mean hes a better wrestler..Hands DOwn Flair over Hogan..
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Post by carly1988 on May 11, 2008 23:56:01 GMT -5
Heres what I find funny. Flair ruled NWA, Hogan ruled WWF. Flair was the first one to move and headed North to WWF and who had the World title?? Flair. He was there for just over a year and was the World Champ almost the entire time. Infact Hogan took an extended leave after Flair won the title. Hogan never returned until AFTER Flair left. Then Flair brought Hogan to WCW. Hogan was soooo dull though that he was being booed when he fought Flair. Hogans gimmick was so old and stale he had to change to get over....After 35 years, Flair never had to change to get over. Flair was always better
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Post by hulkhogancollector on May 14, 2008 13:01:58 GMT -5
Do you remember how tickets sales fell for the WWF in the spring and summer of 1992 during Flair Title run? With Hogan they were drawing around 7 to 8 thousand a night when he left they went to 2 to 3 thousand big difference. Plus Flair has never been put under the microscope and was never overexposed like Hogan was.
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Post by wwftoys on Jun 29, 2008 13:21:24 GMT -5
hogan made wwf, flair made wcw (NWA). Flair is the greatest because nobody in my area ever got to see him because the NWA was very rarely seen in Eastern PA. but flair is the true wrestling icon, not hogan. vince mcmahon just made hogan popular just because he screwed bob backlund carreer by turning him heel. this is the only reason hogan became popular.
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flying-shorty
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Post by flying-shorty on Jun 29, 2008 13:25:11 GMT -5
I dont think u can really say that... i think hogan will always be remembered by non-wrestling fans. Ask someone who has nothing to do with wrestling a wrestler they kno, they will say Hogan! The guy has the catchphrases, the whole hulkamania gimmick etc but take that away he is really a pretty mediocre balding wrestler. Ric Flair is a solid technically sound wrestler, who doesnt rely on gimmicks and catchphrases to get himself to the top... thats why I think he is better
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Post by kidkazi on Jun 29, 2008 16:47:26 GMT -5
I now condemn you a intellectually- disabled person.
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Post by Nitro on Jun 29, 2008 17:19:58 GMT -5
I am in the same boat as you, ive always thought Hogan was much better than flair but these guys won't listen.
I mean Hogan is responsible for the highest Wrestlemania attendance, wrestlemania 3.
And for people saying he can't wrestle, WTF are you on? Before coming to the WWF he won trophys in Japan and was an outstanding technical wrestler but in the WWF he wasnt paid to be technical.
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Post by khalicantwrestle on Jun 29, 2008 17:31:20 GMT -5
When I read the title to this thread, I was just like LOL LMAO LMFAO ROFL
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2008 23:42:43 GMT -5
Hogan can't hold Flair's jockstrap(in any aspect of the business!) Do NOT even try to compare,you need to lay off the pipe paluca! And Yes,I am from Jet Flyin,Limosine Ridin,Bright Lights,Big City,She's Gonna Ride Space Mountain Hard ALLLLL Night Long, Flair Country,Wooooooooooo!!
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Post by HugoOne on Jun 30, 2008 1:01:17 GMT -5
Hogan never put on any 5 star matches? Rock vs Hogan comes to mind. Plus as far as wrestling abilty goes watch his Japan matches. They were quite good. Flair didn't move alot of merchindise, lol. Yeah so many kids wearing 4 horsemen shirts. come on. Flair DID NOT have alot of moves stop pulling that crap! HBK has alot of moves Malenko, Benoit, Angle they have alot of moves. Not Flair. yes more than Hogan but not an arsonal Okay, first thing's first. Rock vs. Hogan was nowhere near a five star match. Just because the crowd is into the match doesn't make it five stars. All that match was was trading finishers. If you're going to encompass ability into naming the greatest all-around wrestler, I can't accept Hulk Hogan. "Quite good" doesn't cut it. There's a reason people STILL talk about Flair vs. Steamboat to this day. There's a reason guys like Triple H and Shawn Michaels credit Ric Flair for getting them involved in this business. The problem with Hogan (among many) is that so many people could have gotten that gimmick and made it work. Just like if John Cena were born 20 years earlier and worked it, it would have been the same result. Nobody can do what Ric Flair did in terms of gimmick or in the ring result. Not a single person could have pulled it off like Flair. Flair works psychology. Hogan, the majority of his matches include getting whooped and then Hulking Up and hitting a Leg Drop to win. The fact that he's moved merchandise and sold out arenas does not make him the greatest wrestler. Ric Flair could out-promo Hulk Hogan any day of the week, and out wrestle him. Yes, Flair was a much better promo man than Hogan. If you want to base drawing ability, why wouldn't you put Steve Austin ahead of Hulk Hogan? Not only did Steve Austin pretty much revitalize wrestling and save it in 1997-1998, he was a much better wrestler and worker than Hulk Hogan. I digress since this isn't about Austin. Hulk Hogan is going to be shown in constant replay videos for slamming Andre the Giant. While it's a historic moment to be sure, it doesn't make him the greatest wrestler alive. Again, I have to reiterate that you talk about encompassing drawing power, charisma, mic skills, and wrestling ABILITY into the greatest wrestler alive, but you put Hogan ahead of Flair when Hogan wasn't one fourth the worker Flair was. I also put Flair far ahead in mic skills compared to Hogan, by far. Hogan being able to draw doesn't make him the greatest wrestler of all time, and that's really all he has going for him.
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George Harrison
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Post by George Harrison on Jul 1, 2008 19:16:04 GMT -5
MY SIg speaks for itself
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2008 19:33:48 GMT -5
I love Hogan...
But he was a HORRIBLE face!! He raked eyes and kicked and stuff.. He was horrible!
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Post by The Doctor on Jul 1, 2008 20:30:56 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan was in the right place at the right time, and a lot of his popularity came from the fact he beat the "evil foreign heel" Iron Sheik for the Championship in one of the most popular movies of the 1980s when he was in Rocky III with Mr. T and became the most recognizable wrestler in the world because of it. Vince's dad didn't even want Hogan to do the movie. When Hogan returned to wrestling, he was in the AWA and Vern Gange built up Hogan as a World title contender but wasn't smart enough to pull the trigger so McMahon rubbed Vern's nose in it by giving Hogan the WWF world title right off the bat. Gagne's own short sightedness killed the AWA and Hogan joined the WWF to make history. Fixed.
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