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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on Jun 4, 2008 8:19:03 GMT -5
I thought it would be interesting to get some opinions, who or what in WWE do you think is the most overrated.
For me:
Jeff Hardy- i just cant view the guy as higher than a mid carder
Batistas title shots and reigns- Sure cena gets a lot of heat for them but look at batista, 14 matches in a row one time and has had too many than deserved
Edge- I just dont see this guy as a valid multiple champ as he is, he isnt much in the ring without the gimmick matches lately as he barely wrestles or anything, gimmick or not.
CM Punk- he blew out, he climaxed and declined, he needs to be repushed and be given a minor overhaul to give MITB credibility
Cryme Tyme- I barely find them entertaining in any way, they are pretty mediocre in my view and are a waste of WWEs television space
Those are some of mine, so what in WWE do you think is most overrated?
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Post by JCF on Jun 4, 2008 8:25:11 GMT -5
First person that comes to mind is CM Punk. I was a huge mark for a few months. I started becoming a big fan in August 07 and stayed one until January. But god, When he lost the belt to Chavo that was it. All momentum he had going for him was flushed down the toilet. It was disgraceful what happened. That feud with Chavo was mediorce at best and really brought down Punk. That's when I started losing intrest in him.
At this point in time I see nothing in him. I don't see much to cheer and be excited about like alot of people do. The only way I might grasp some intrest in him again is if he was brought to Raw or Smackdown with some fresh competition. On ECW he is doing nothing to get any attention acceppt lose matches and win one every once in a while. Bring him to Raw, Get him rolling again and I'll be a fan. He's way to overrated right now. I see nothing in him anymore.
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Post by Hammersmith Hardman on Jun 4, 2008 8:27:06 GMT -5
There can be only one. John Cena (Maybe not since he's come back from injury) but sure he still is annoying and overrated.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2008 8:35:52 GMT -5
There can be only one. John Cena (Maybe not since he's come back from injury) but sure he still is annoying and overrated. Seeing as how 95% of this forum hates him and many of the fans do, I don't see him as overrated. |
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Post by No Brokeback on Jun 4, 2008 8:51:22 GMT -5
Ric God damn FLAIR
People come here, and because of idiots tell people that Ric Flair is a legend and the younger people believe them and want to fit in and join the bandwagon.
Ric Flair is the most over-rated peice of crap in the buisness. He's always looked old, always has been boring in the ring, and the only time he's ever entertaining is when you see him turn red from yelling into a microphone.
He's put down 'other' legends in the company who made themselves famous for putting their bodies on the line for the fans. He left the company because he felt he wasn't being used right on Smackdown and wanted to be 'on top.
I doubt ANYONE watched or cared for the Four Horsemen rather than in DVD's they bought to feel more like 'classic' fans. He was never part of anything 'big'. He was the most unbelievable character in "evolution' which was also one of the most boring stables in the WWE.
I think fans on this message board over-rate Ric Flair so damn much, that it's annoying. 13 year olds on here "Wow, man he's a legend'....yet they never even and couldn't watch during the time when he was nothing in the early days anyway. Who seriously cared about Ric Flair in the 80's?
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Post by flying-shorty on Jun 4, 2008 8:53:26 GMT -5
Id say Jeff Hardy is pretty overrated i mean he doesnt have great mic skills...his in ring ability seems to be a bit below par on occasions.
CM Punk pretty gud charisma sloppy in the ring I think. Hasnt really done that much as of yet, we will see!!
Triple H at the moment dont think he is champion material anymore!
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Jun 4, 2008 9:00:10 GMT -5
Batista - The guy is mediocre in the ring and on the mic. Plus, he should've been fired 5-times over due to the so-called "Wellness Policy". It's blatantly obvious he's taking steroids and I would really like to see what happens when he gets tested. I'm calling an automatic failure right now..
John Cena - Much like Batista, I believe he's extremely mediocre in the ring. Same thing, day in and day out. He wins all the time when he shouldn't. Very limited and repetitive and predictable move-set. Plus, I find him annoying as hell.
Edge - I think he's a great wrestler, but I don't know, I just don't buy him as a World Heavyweight champion. He's kinda like Jeff Jarrett in that aspect. He's just not a believable World champion.
Chavo Guerrero - I still can't get the images of Lt. Loco and him riding around on Pepe out of my head and yet he was the ECW World champion. My god, that was terrible. Even Vince was a better ECW champ than Chavo. Chavo to me, will always be a mid-carder. Nothing higher than that. And if his last name wasn't Guerrero, he wouldn't even have a job in the WWE. He would've been fired a LONG, LONG time ago.
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Post by pimpmaster5000 on Jun 4, 2008 9:22:50 GMT -5
cm punk
cena
batista
shawn michaels-cant stand him he can not wrestle and is extremly fake
edge
jeff hardy
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Post by carly1988 on Jun 4, 2008 9:26:09 GMT -5
Ric God damn FLAIR People come here, and because of idiots tell people that Ric Flair is a legend and the younger people believe them and want to fit in and join the bandwagon. If you dont know about Flairs legacy then you shouldnt bash nor "jump the bandwagon" Ill agree with half of what you say. I think everyone should still respect Flair, like it or notRic Flair is the most over-rated peice of crap in the buisness. He's always looked old, always has been boring in the ring, and the only time he's ever entertaining is when you see him turn red from yelling into a microphone. Couldnt the same thing be said for Hogan? I mean lets be serious Hogan and Flair are the top 2 names in Wrestling history with no argument. Most people that find Flair "boring" are the Attitude era fans who dont know/grow up/ or understand the concept of WRESTLINGHe's put down 'other' legends in the company who made themselves famous for putting their bodies on the line for the fans. He left the company because he felt he wasn't being used right on Smackdown and wanted to be 'on top. By other legends I assume you mean Mick Foley? Over the years ive greatly enjoyed Foleys work, doesnt matter if its Cactus, Dude or Mankind but simply put Foley isnt a "wrestler" he is a glorified stuntman and thats exactly what Flair called him. 'Wrestlers" for the most part have very long careers and very successful ones. "Stuntmen" do not. Foley can be considered great but there if very very very few that can consider themselves "Legends" (Hogan, Flair, Austin, Steamboat, Rhodes, Race etc)I doubt ANYONE watched or cared for the Four Horsemen rather than in DVD's they bought to feel more like 'classic' fans. He was never part of anything 'big'. He was the most unbelievable character in "evolution' which was also one of the most boring stables in the WWE. Without the 4 Horsemen, there would have never been an nWo, DX, Nation of Domination, Hart Foundation. The Horsemen/Freebirds era set the standards for "stables" Without the originals there would have never been an nWo/DX and without that probably would have never been an attitude era.I think fans on this message board over-rate Ric Flair so damn much, that it's annoying. 13 year olds on here "Wow, man he's a legend'....yet they never even and couldn't watch during the time when he was nothing in the early days anyway. Who seriously cared about Ric Flair in the 80's? Quite a few cared about Ric Flair in the 80s. You need to understand wrestling isnt the same as it is now. When you are the WWE champion, you are considered the best of the WWE...Thats it....When you were the NWA champion you were literally considered the BEST IN THE WORLD. While Hogan was squashing guys like Orndorff, Bob Orton, Haku in Madison Square Garden...Flair was in Japan fighting Antonio Inoki...Goin to Puerto Rico and fighting Carlos Colon...on top of other guys like Race, Rhodes, Sting and Muta.
Is Flair the best ever?? That is very arguable. Anyone that says hes not in the top 3 of all time though has no clue about wrestling. Facts are facts.Now that I have that outta the way.... WWEs most overrated... Jeff Hardy-I see absolutely nothing special about him. The sky is the limit for him but hes just missing something. When I see Jeff Hardy I see a future Shawn Michaels (athletic ability) however hes gotta get his head on straight and keep it on. Honestly I dont see him around in another 5 years anyway. JBL- Boring, Boring, Boring....Ive never been able to see him as a world title contender his entire career. I think the best thing he ever had going for him was the APA tag team. I just cant take this guy seriously. Batista- He just cant wrestle. Plain and simple. Batista is just a guy with a great body that vince stuck in the ring. If you cant even pass the WCW Power Plant then that shows what talent you have...I mean Jesus, Goldberg for god sakes passed the Power Plant Kane- I know some people wont like this but I just cant take him serious as World Champion anymore. Even a 3rd tier title like the ECW championship. 20 years from now I think we'll look back and see Kane as one of WWEs biggest failures....Sure not Shockmaster bad, but they had the chance to make an Undertaker pt 2 and all they did was make a Dan Spivey part 2....Very sad |
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Post by S on Jun 4, 2008 9:51:05 GMT -5
Batista- He just cant wrestle. Plain and simple. Batista is just a guy with a great body that vince stuck in the ring. If you cant even pass the WCW Power Plant then that shows what talent you have...I mean Jesus, Goldberg for god sakes passed the Power Plant Kane- I know some people wont like this but I just cant take him serious as World Champion anymore. Even a 3rd tier title like the ECW championship. 20 years from now I think we'll look back and see Kane as one of WWEs biggest failures....Sure not Shockmaster bad, but they had the chance to make an Undertaker pt 2 and all they did was make a Dan Spivey part 2....Very sad If you wanna see about Batista's lack of wrestling skills, go watch the Team 3D shoot, they aren't harsh about it, they just tell it like it is Also i wouldn't say Kane is over-rated, just under-utilised |
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Post by brethitmanhart on Jun 4, 2008 9:57:00 GMT -5
He's put down 'other' legends in the company who made themselves famous for putting their bodies on the line for the fans. He left the company because he felt he wasn't being used right on Smackdown and wanted to be 'on top. By other legends I assume you mean Mick Foley? Over the years ive greatly enjoyed Foleys work, doesnt matter if its Cactus, Dude or Mankind but simply put Foley isnt a "wrestler" he is a glorified stuntman and thats exactly what Flair called him. 'Wrestlers" for the most part have very long careers and very successful ones. "Stuntmen" do not. Foley can be considered great but there if very very very few that can consider themselves "Legends" (Hogan, Flair, Austin, Steamboat, Rhodes, Race etc)Foley > Flair I came to that conclusion because it's the WWE, world wrestling entertainment. Foley has been far more entertaining and is much better all round than Flair. Flair is so big headed and thinks he is so good. When has Flair ever done anything that can compare to anything Foley has done? |
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Post by khalicantwrestle on Jun 4, 2008 10:01:06 GMT -5
JBL
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Post by jorge4903 on Jun 4, 2008 10:15:26 GMT -5
John Cena, HHH, and Batista. Vince/WWE treat these guys like they are the best thing to have ever hit wrestling, and I personally could give a crap about any of them.
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Post by justamazing on Jun 4, 2008 10:20:46 GMT -5
He's put down 'other' legends in the company who made themselves famous for putting their bodies on the line for the fans. He left the company because he felt he wasn't being used right on Smackdown and wanted to be 'on top. By other legends I assume you mean Mick Foley? Over the years ive greatly enjoyed Foleys work, doesnt matter if its Cactus, Dude or Mankind but simply put Foley isnt a "wrestler" he is a glorified stuntman and thats exactly what Flair called him. 'Wrestlers" for the most part have very long careers and very successful ones. "Stuntmen" do not. Foley can be considered great but there if very very very few that can consider themselves "Legends" (Hogan, Flair, Austin, Steamboat, Rhodes, Race etc)Foley > Flair I came to that conclusion because it's the WWE, world wrestling entertainment. Foley has been far more entertaining and is much better all round than Flair. Flair is so big headed and thinks he is so good. When has Flair ever done anything that can compare to anything Foley has done? Both of you have great opinions and i agree with both of them. Flair is the better WRESTLER while Foley is the better ENTERTAINER. Flair never threw himself off a cage, through thumbtacks or anything like that. But Mick Foley didn't exactly put on a five star wrestling match without it being Hardcore rules now, did he? I don't consider Batista and John Cena "overrated" seen as most fans hate them... so i'll go by who is the most overrated on Wfigs: CM Punk - Not as great as certified money punk or hollywood ICON makes out to be... Kane - This here is ridiculous, Kane is a slow fat man who can't even sell most of the moves, yet KKV, Kaneistheman and MANY others overrate him like he is the best wrestler on planet earth. He was nowhere near that and never will be. |
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Post by locura on Jun 4, 2008 10:28:19 GMT -5
For me: Jeff Hardy- i just cant view the guy as higher than a mid carder Batistas title shots and reigns- Sure cena gets a lot of heat for them but look at batista, 14 matches in a row one time and has had too many than deserved Edge- I just dont see this guy as a valid multiple champ as he is, he isnt much in the ring without the gimmick matches lately as he barely wrestles or anything, gimmick or not. CM Punk- he blew out, he climaxed and declined, he needs to be repushed and be given a minor overhaul to give MITB credibility Cryme Tyme- I barely find them entertaining in any way, they are pretty mediocre in my view and are a waste of WWEs television space Wow, I agree with everything you just said 100%, though I would also throw in JBL (I just find myself getting distracted by his moobs all the time) and The Miz (Say what you want but i can't stand the guy). |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 4, 2008 10:41:41 GMT -5
I don't think anybody is really "overated"....because it's fake. So nobody is out there really winning or losing or better than anybody else.
It's really just being in the right time at the right place or knowing somebody that gets you a push. WWE can book anybody into becoming a huge star (John Cena), or they can make sure you never become a huge star (Matt Hardy).
It has nothing to do with talent, ability, or what kind of wrestler you are.....really I guess it has to do with how marketable you are, and if people will pay to see you. Guys like Rock, Austin, Foley, Flair, Hogan....even Undertaker. They are all terrible wrestlers, but they acted out their parts well and people would pay a lot of money to see them, so they got lots of titles, lots of main events and are thought of as "legends".
However, more talented people like Shelton Benjamin, Carlito, Matt Hardy.....they all toil in Mid-Card hell because for some reason WWE doesn't see them as top wrestlers, when in reality it's just that they aren't good enough ACTORS really, which is all the Main Eventers are.....all personality, no talent.
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Post by carly1988 on Jun 4, 2008 10:44:14 GMT -5
He's put down 'other' legends in the company who made themselves famous for putting their bodies on the line for the fans. He left the company because he felt he wasn't being used right on Smackdown and wanted to be 'on top. By other legends I assume you mean Mick Foley? Over the years ive greatly enjoyed Foleys work, doesnt matter if its Cactus, Dude or Mankind but simply put Foley isnt a "wrestler" he is a glorified stuntman and thats exactly what Flair called him. 'Wrestlers" for the most part have very long careers and very successful ones. "Stuntmen" do not. Foley can be considered great but there if very very very few that can consider themselves "Legends" (Hogan, Flair, Austin, Steamboat, Rhodes, Race etc)Foley > Flair I came to that conclusion because it's the WWE, world wrestling entertainment. Foley has been far more entertaining and is much better all round than Flair. Flair is so big headed and thinks he is so good. When has Flair ever done anything that can compare to anything Foley has done? Dont forget though, Ric Flair isnt the face of World Wrestling Entertainment...Hes the face of National WRESTLING Alliance and World Championship WRESTLING.  Will Foley be a HOFer one day? Very likely..Would I vote for him?? Probably...but like mentioned above the two were on very different scales. Wrestling evolved/devolved as time went on. When Flair was in his prime wrestling was seen as a "sport" where now its seen more as a "soap opera" |
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Post by Heresy on Jun 4, 2008 10:48:13 GMT -5
Mr. Kennedy- Basically a one-trick pony in terms of mic work... he can cut a generic cocky guy promo and shout his catchphrase after. His ring skills are average at best. Zach Gowen could count all Kennedy's great matches on his left foot.
Jeff Hardy- Horrible delivery when it comes to promos, poor mic/acting skills in general, nothing special about his in-ring work outside of his typical spots. Basically got popular based off his appearance, risk-taking, and the 'extreme' gimmick younger people gravitate towards. Isn't main event material outside of ECW.
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Post by Graze on Jun 4, 2008 10:52:12 GMT -5
HHH - Back in 2000, yes, he was one of the best wrestlers around. Since his first quad injury, I can't remember any one on one match he's had that has been outstanding to watch. In his own mind, he's a legend or the best in the business. Eight years ago, he was a damn good wrestler, now, he's living off that rep. He's been stale for 8 friggin years.
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Post by justamazing on Jun 4, 2008 11:16:00 GMT -5
I don't think anybody is really "overated"....because it's fake. So nobody is out there really winning or losing or better than anybody else. It's really just being in the right time at the right place or knowing somebody that gets you a push. WWE can book anybody into becoming a huge star (John Cena), or they can make sure you never become a huge star (Matt Hardy). It has nothing to do with talent, ability, or what kind of wrestler you are.....really I guess it has to do with how marketable you are, and if people will pay to see you. Guys like Rock, Austin, Foley, Flair, Hogan....even Undertaker. They are all terrible wrestlers, but they acted out their parts well and people would pay a lot of money to see them, so they got lots of titles, lots of main events and are thought of as "legends". However, more talented people like Shelton Benjamin, Carlito, Matt Hardy.....they all toil in Mid-Card hell because for some reason WWE doesn't see them as top wrestlers, when in reality it's just that they aren't good enough ACTORS really, which is all the Main Eventers are.....all personality, no talent. Explain how Stone Cold Steve Austin and Ric Flair are "Terrible wrestlers" please..., being a GREAT wrestler has a lot to do with it, it is scripted not fake, its planned. You're not exactly saying that Jeff Hardy or John Cena could go out there and have a 5 star match with say Chris Benoit are you? |
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