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Post by Raab Himself™ on Sept 30, 2009 22:39:33 GMT -5
That was complete bullshit.
Stopping the fight because Kimbo couldn't move under Fatboys stomach?
Nelson proved NOTHING to me tonight, To me he looked like some slob they picked up at the local ponderosa.
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Post by Liv Is Life on Sept 30, 2009 22:40:11 GMT -5
I have no problem that a "fat guy" won, more power to Roy. I do have a problem with that whole fight though. I understand that Kimbo didn't do a damn thing once Roy got him down, but Roy also did NO damage to Kimbo. Sure he hit those little punches, but those were extremely weak shots. At one point, I sat there and watched him throw two of the punches DIRECTLY into his own stomach. In my opinion, they weren't active enough before Nelson started going for the crucifix, and I believe they should have been stood back up. You obviously feel different, that's great, but you're not going to change my opinion on the matter either.. zero reason to stand them up ZERO. nelson was still active... im not gonna sit here and debate how hard the punches were, because i wasnt underneath them. fact of the matter is, nelson was in a dominant position, and judging by how in 2 different rounds, kimbo did nothing to get out from underneath it, it was a dominant position. and jabs can knock somebody out too... maybe not roy nelsons jabs... but ask forrest about spiders jabs. jabs are nothing to scoff at, a man thats 264 pounds punching you in the top of the head... aint tap dancing sir. nelson dominated the fight... a stoppage may not have been neccessary because of the how we as fans perceive how hard nelsons punches were coming in... but do you let kimbo get punched in the top of the head for the next 3 minutes hoping he'll show some ounce of a ground game and get out of it? As I stated, once Nelson got a hold of Kimbo's arm, the right call was made. However, I've seen times where more action was happening and they were stood up or seperated. So to say there was zero reason, is opinion..
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Post by Bob Sapp on Sept 30, 2009 22:42:11 GMT -5
zero reason to stand them up ZERO. nelson was still active... im not gonna sit here and debate how hard the punches were, because i wasnt underneath them. fact of the matter is, nelson was in a dominant position, and judging by how in 2 different rounds, kimbo did nothing to get out from underneath it, it was a dominant position. and jabs can knock somebody out too... maybe not roy nelsons jabs... but ask forrest about spiders jabs. jabs are nothing to scoff at, a man thats 264 pounds punching you in the top of the head... aint tap dancing sir. nelson dominated the fight... a stoppage may not have been neccessary because of the how we as fans perceive how hard nelsons punches were coming in... but do you let kimbo get punched in the top of the head for the next 3 minutes hoping he'll show some ounce of a ground game and get out of it? As I stated, once Nelson got a hold of Kimbo's arm, the right call was made. However, I've seen times where more action was happening and they were stood up or seperated. So to say there was zero reason, is opinion.. There ARE bad refs out there, ya know. Like when the ref stood up Nelson/Arlovski while Nelson was working a kimura.
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Sept 30, 2009 22:42:41 GMT -5
Man I thought Kimbo would try and keep Big Country standing up. Kimbo is coming back though.
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Post by Liv Is Life on Sept 30, 2009 22:44:46 GMT -5
As I stated, once Nelson got a hold of Kimbo's arm, the right call was made. However, I've seen times where more action was happening and they were stood up or seperated. So to say there was zero reason, is opinion.. There ARE bad refs out there, ya know. Like when the ref stood up Nelson/Arlovski while Nelson was working a kimura. That's true. I find myself usually trusting Herb Dean's judgment as well...this was just not one of those times.
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Post by hammer on Sept 30, 2009 23:03:43 GMT -5
zero reason to stand them up ZERO. nelson was still active... im not gonna sit here and debate how hard the punches were, because i wasnt underneath them. fact of the matter is, nelson was in a dominant position, and judging by how in 2 different rounds, kimbo did nothing to get out from underneath it, it was a dominant position. and jabs can knock somebody out too... maybe not roy nelsons jabs... but ask forrest about spiders jabs. jabs are nothing to scoff at, a man thats 264 pounds punching you in the top of the head... aint tap dancing sir. nelson dominated the fight... a stoppage may not have been neccessary because of the how we as fans perceive how hard nelsons punches were coming in... but do you let kimbo get punched in the top of the head for the next 3 minutes hoping he'll show some ounce of a ground game and get out of it? As I stated, once Nelson got a hold of Kimbo's arm, the right call was made. However, I've seen times where more action was happening and they were stood up or seperated. So to say there was zero reason, is opinion.. well, i just disagree, which is not meant to disrespect. anytime kimbo was on his back, he was a fish out of water. he had nothing, and especially once nelson pinned his arm... whether the punches were bombs, or pinches... kimbo was still not going anywhere, and nelson showed the ability to put kimbo on the ground at will. nelson was stronger, and nelson was the more skilled fighter... though i do look forward to the rematch in december... which, knowing that kimbo spoiled he'll be fighting in the finale, we all have to assume is gonna be a rematch, right? or did i read the situation wrong?
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Post by Bob Sapp on Sept 30, 2009 23:09:16 GMT -5
Kimbo vs. Petruzelli II in December.
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Post by Liv Is Life on Sept 30, 2009 23:23:14 GMT -5
As I stated, once Nelson got a hold of Kimbo's arm, the right call was made. However, I've seen times where more action was happening and they were stood up or seperated. So to say there was zero reason, is opinion.. well, i just disagree, which is not meant to disrespect. anytime kimbo was on his back, he was a fish out of water. he had nothing, and especially once nelson pinned his arm... whether the punches were bombs, or pinches... kimbo was still not going anywhere, and nelson showed the ability to put kimbo on the ground at will. nelson was stronger, and nelson was the more skilled fighter... though i do look forward to the rematch in december... which, knowing that kimbo spoiled he'll be fighting in the finale, we all have to assume is gonna be a rematch, right? or did i read the situation wrong? It's cool man, I enjoy the friendly discussion back and forth. I can't deny anything you said there honestly, Kimbo lost that fight because he couldn't get himself out from underneath Nelson. I still stand by the fact that I thought they should have been stood up. However, after re watching the fight, I can understand where you guys are coming from as well...
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Sept 30, 2009 23:40:00 GMT -5
Nelson fought his fight, and his style, size and experience in ground fighting made it a really bad matchup for Kimbo. I'm not a huge fan of either guy, but Nelson fought smart and won. Nothing wrong with that.
True, there's nothing flashy or crowd-pleasing about the way he won, but hey -- he didn't break any rules. He made weight for the fight, so if his weight was an unfair advantage, that's not Nelson's fault... it's just a byproduct of a weight class that allows for a roughly 60-pound weight discrepancy between opponents (or more, depending on how much weight the fighters put on after weighing in). Can't blame Nelson for that.
It looked like Kimbo did his best with the tools he has right now, which may not be saying much... but I'm willing to give the guy a chance to get better.
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Post by MuffFuzz on Sept 30, 2009 23:44:19 GMT -5
So let me get this straight, if Kimbo comes back and takes someone elses place on his team is he back in contention for the contract to be in the UFC?
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Post by Bob Sapp on Sept 30, 2009 23:46:04 GMT -5
So let me get this straight, if Kimbo comes back and takes someone elses place on his team is he back in contention for the contract to be in the UFC? Yes, but we know already that he will be fighting for the UFC sometime in December anyway.
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Post by MuffFuzz on Oct 1, 2009 0:22:59 GMT -5
So let me get this straight, if Kimbo comes back and takes someone elses place on his team is he back in contention for the contract to be in the UFC? Yes, but we know already that he will be fighting for the UFC sometime in December anyway. Alright thanks.
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Post by Gonzo Customs on Oct 1, 2009 0:25:40 GMT -5
I was hoping to see a better fight, but I feel the decision to stop the fight was right. Ultimately Nelson had Kimbo pinned to the ground and was just punching him continuously. Kimbo was making no effort to defend himself, and even though the punches weren't putting him in danger, the ref can only allow a fighter to be struck so many times without any defense before he has to call it. It's the same way in boxing. Kimbo was stuck and there was no getting out of it, the round could have gone another 2 minutes with Nelson just whopping him on top of the head, the ref made the right call.
I find it ironic how they were showing Nelson talking about crucifying him as well as how to get the ref to make the calls by counting out and the rule of intelligently defending. He hit it right on the button and made it happen. People may not like how it turned out, but Herb made the right call.
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Post by Sandy on Oct 1, 2009 1:02:37 GMT -5
I can't believe he lost...
...and what I can't believe EVEN MORE is that Roy Nelson is who you guys WANT to win. That was honestly one of the most boring performances from a winner that I have ever seen. Stick your belly on someone and smother them while throwing punches that aren't hard at all.
jeez this season sucks so far. I'm hoping my picks Schaub and Sims don't disappoint..
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Post by ballinbrother44 on Oct 1, 2009 1:13:17 GMT -5
I can't believe he lost... ...and what I can't believe EVEN MORE is that Roy Nelson is who you guys WANT to win. That was honestly one of the most boring performances from a winner that I have ever seen. Stick your belly on someone and smother them while throwing punches that aren't hard at all. jeez this season sucks so far. I'm hoping my picks Schaub and Sims don't disappoint.. I know, it's like having the moon on you. How are you supposed to get the moon off of you?
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Post by threehgame on Oct 1, 2009 1:24:02 GMT -5
Three boring fights in a row. I hope this season picks up. The thing is Nelson played the rules to an easy victory which is all he had to do. He even talked about how to play the judges and ref during the episode. He took Kimbo down, slowly, very slowly made his move and pounded him out. Problem is how slowly Nelson worked and how weak his punches were made it seem like he was being lazy. Add to it his post fight antics and you have the guy that helps decides who you fight bored and pissed at you. Nelson should win this season, but don't expect him to fight anyone good for a year and then maybe a few fringe contenders.
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Post by HHH316 on Oct 1, 2009 1:27:33 GMT -5
I remember the most popular rumor I read about this season was that Kimbo had 2 fights on the show. I guess after seeing the preview, it still makes sense.
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Post by Bob Sapp on Oct 1, 2009 1:27:54 GMT -5
I can't believe he lost... ...and what I can't believe EVEN MORE is that Roy Nelson is who you guys WANT to win. That was honestly one of the most boring performances from a winner that I have ever seen. Stick your belly on someone and smother them while throwing punches that aren't hard at all. jeez this season sucks so far. I'm hoping my picks Schaub and Sims don't disappoint.. Nelson is the only real Mixed Martial Artist on the show.
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Post by MuffFuzz on Oct 1, 2009 1:37:57 GMT -5
I remember the most popular rumor I read about this season was that Kimbo had 2 fights on the show. I guess after seeing the preview, it still makes sense. Yeah that is how it's looking. I remember watching that preview of TUF Season 10 and they showed a quick clip of who I believe is Kimbo rocking some guy in the corner of the cage. I hope for his sake that he doesn't lose again if he fights. The guy in question has a tattoo on his right arm, maybe it's Schaub?
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Post by Sandy on Oct 1, 2009 1:40:04 GMT -5
ok...
..did you find that fight enjoyable?
Honestly.
That should have been the most exciting fight of the show..and it was horrible. Kimbo looked tentative with his head straight up and Nelson looked slow and sluggish.
I don't know. This season is just bleh. Every week I get so excited for the next episode of TUF and then when it is over I'm like "that f***ing sucks, I'm not watching this ever again"..
..but yet I keep watching. =/
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