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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Jun 10, 2008 15:12:22 GMT -5
It all comes down to how he performs in his next fight.
To me, it seems like the UFC is really being hard on Brock. They are not giving him cans in any way, shape or form. If you look at what Gary Shaw and EliteXC are doing with Kimbo, then you look at Brock Lesnar in th UFC, it's like looking at it in a mirror.
It's completely backwards.
Frank Mir was not a push over in any way at all. In fact, even stylistically the fight swing toward Frank. A high level Jiu Jitsu practicioner versus a very experienced wrestler who is coming into his second fight is a giant stack against Brock. Even through a loss, I would say Brock surprised a lot of people. I think he was very close to getting the stoppage over Frank. He took him down with ease, and pummeled him into oblivion. Mir's face was an absolute mess after that fight, and it was barely a minute long.
Moving away from Mir, you have to look at Heath Herring now. We've got Brock Lesnar (1-1), a damn good wrestler, taking on Heath Herring (29-13-1), who is another great wrestler with excellent submission skills. This fight could easily go either way if you ask me. Brock should have little trouble taking Heath down, the question is whether he can control his down there. Brock's ground work against Frank was down right atrocious.
He was 3 feet outside of Frank's guard. Just looking at it, you could tell that this man was on his second fight. Herring's experience is a huge factor as well. He's been in there with the best of the best, you can see that by taking a look at his track record. Fight with Mirko CroCop, Fedor, Big Bog (3 times), etc. This list goes on and on. Heath has seen everything there is to see, and won't be surprised by Lesnar's game plan.
I'll be rooting for Brock, but at the same time I won't be surprised if he leaves the octagon with a record of 1-2. Fighting two marquee names with such little experience under your belt is huge.
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Post by PdW2kX on Jun 10, 2008 19:55:58 GMT -5
With the current crop of UFC heavyweights, Lesnar could win a title if he rebounds and dominates at least three opponents.
Couture left a big hole in the HW division, no matter what anyone says. And Big Nog just isn't much of his old self now. Hopefully TUF will feature a refocused Nog that takes as much as he gives.
That said, Mir's comeback has been nothing if not inspirational. I'll really be pulling for him once he faces Big Nog.
And I'll say this once again, since it's been my stance on the whole fight since day one- Brock made an incredibly dominant statement before he made a rookie mistake and tapped out. Forget the somewhat-controversial stand-up resulting from rabbit shots that Brock may or may not have been warned by the ref on, that's what happened.
It's a tribute to just how badly Brock was pounding Mir's face that the Brock bandwagon is still going stronger than ever after what I felt was a humiliating defeat. If Brock can't win his next fight I really think his shot of being a major MMA player, at least in the short term, is done.
If Brock loses to Herring, he'll officially no longer be MMA's "Next Big Thing". I predict that a loss to Herring will force him to work his way up from the bottom, or the middle-rung at highest.
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Post by *Ricky Spanish* on Jun 10, 2008 20:25:37 GMT -5
He has 0 ground game but is apower house in the world of UFC people are just plain ruthless and champs have skill in each field so I doubt he can hold the belt yet his championship match would be a hell of a ppv
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Post by DWright on Jun 10, 2008 20:32:52 GMT -5
He has 0 ground game but is apower house in the world of UFC people are just plain ruthless and champs have skill in each field so I doubt he can hold the belt yet his championship match would be a hell of a ppv Huuuuh? Lesnar has some major G'n'P. He's a freakishly strong, NCAA wrestler. He showed that he has ground game. In fact, that's basically his strength. Brock isn't a BJJ prodigy. I'm sure he's learning more and more...and I'd be willing to bet he has a terrific sprawl. (again NCAA wrestler/freakishly strong/trains with Sherk)...but Lesnar isn't a lay and pray candidate. He works when he's on the ground, as shown in his 2 fights. |
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Post by Kliquid on Jun 10, 2008 20:58:32 GMT -5
He has 0 ground game but is apower house in the world of UFC people are just plain ruthless and champs have skill in each field so I doubt he can hold the belt yet his championship match would be a hell of a ppv WTF? Zero ground game? If nothing else, he could smother his opponent on the ground, ala Sean Sherk. |
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Post by ajstyles888 on Jun 10, 2008 21:19:02 GMT -5
He has 0 ground game but is apower house in the world of UFC people are just plain ruthless and champs have skill in each field so I doubt he can hold the belt yet his championship match would be a hell of a ppv I think you just lost all the credibility you ever had. - Iron Heart |
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Post by PdW2kX on Jun 10, 2008 21:46:40 GMT -5
Zero ground game? Good MF'ing lord...
I feel it necessary to ask this question: did you even watch Brock fight? Do you watch MMA at all?
Brock had some epic GNP. He was hurting Mir. Maybe not hurting him bad, but Brock made a DOMINANT statement by taking Mir down THE SECOND THE BELL RANG TO BEGIN THEIR FIGHT. Zero ground game? Please.
Brock needs to work on his ground DEFENSE, that's all. Most seasoned fighters could've worked out of that hold. If he can get it in his head to not panic and work a little, tough through the pain and work to get out of the hold, he CAN be a force to be reckoned with.
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Post by lancewiget on Jun 11, 2008 10:38:37 GMT -5
Brock can do well in UFC. Not at the level some of the guys over there can do, but i think he has the potential to become a household name. I'd like to see what he has learned from his defeat to Mir when he takes on Heath Herring at UFC 87. I still think Brock will be a little nieve, but lets see if he gets caught in a submission again, which 16 of Herring's 28 wins have come from.
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Post by moogie101 on Jun 11, 2008 10:44:13 GMT -5
WTF.
Brock win the fight but not the match!!!!
Brock landed a couple of decent shots & then tapped out very quickly as he is very inexperienced in submission fighting so he didn't win sh*t.
As right now the top boys in the UFC would probarbly be Nog, Mir, Werdum & Vera all who have a very strong submission game I can't see Lesnar achieving much.
To be honest I can't even see him getting by Herring.
He's a big strong bloke with decent wrestling, if he'd have joined the uFC back in say number 8 he'd have done very well but there is this thing called crosstraining nowadays & I can't see Brock doing anything. In fact I can see a few losses & him running back to the WWE
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Post by Graze on Jun 11, 2008 11:33:15 GMT -5
He has 0 ground game but is apower house in the world of UFC people are just plain ruthless and champs have skill in each field so I doubt he can hold the belt yet his championship match would be a hell of a ppv Huuuuh? Lesnar has some major G'n'P. He's a freakishly strong, NCAA wrestler. He showed that he has ground game. In fact, that's basically his strength. Brock isn't a BJJ prodigy. I'm sure he's learning more and more...and I'd be willing to bet he has a terrific sprawl. (again NCAA wrestler/freakishly strong/trains with Sherk)...but Lesnar isn't a lay and pray candidate. He works when he's on the ground, as shown in his 2 fights. Agreed. Brock has the ground game. He just needs to improve his BJJ and he'll be a great fighter. |
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Jun 11, 2008 22:40:06 GMT -5
It's certainly possible that Brock could win the title. I don't know about his upcoming fight with "The Texas Crazy Horse" Heath Herring though. I think that's a bad fight for Brock. I do hope he wins, but Herring is certainly no push-over. It will be a war to say the least.
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Post by Overnight Sensation on Jun 12, 2008 13:50:24 GMT -5
If Lesnar can get the proper training and keep progressing like he has been, In 2-3 years he will be UFC Heavyweight Champion.
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Post by PdW2kX on Jun 12, 2008 15:37:21 GMT -5
2-3 years is a relatively long time in MMA, though.
UFC is NOW NOW NOW when it comes to capitalizing on Brock's hype and potential. I honestly don't think they can wait that long.
If Brock beats Herring it'll prove that he's not just a one-trick pony. Depending on how he wins over Herring, he may be looking at a title shot as soon as Nog and Mir get done with TUF. If he makes a dominant statement and pounds Herring into the ground, I really think UFC will catapult him to a title shot.
If he squeaks out a decision victory, I see him going through one or two, possibly three, more fights until UFC puts him into contention for the title. Brock needs at least one "dominant blitzkrieg" win under his belt to be considered title-worthy.
Then again, if he loses to Herring I think the hype is officially over, as I've said in the past.
And for those doubting that UFC would be so willing to quickly pull the trigger on catapulting Brock into title contention, remember that Anderson Silva won all of ONE fight in the UFC before they gave him a shot at Rich Franklin. And let's not forget how that turned out.
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Post by Kliquid on Jun 12, 2008 18:48:52 GMT -5
Lesnar doesn't have to be the champion to be hugely marketable.
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Post by Stinger TNA on Jun 12, 2008 19:27:58 GMT -5
Could Lesnar win it now? No Could he win it later on in time? Hell Yes The guy can do some great damage with GnP. He can hit like a mother  er. But he needs to learn more. He could have beaten Mir, but he wasn't smart enough when it came to MMA, and got cought in a bad place. If Brock learns to think before he acts quickly, which is pretty much a need in MMA, he could defenatly one day be a dominant force in the UFC and possibly a big fighters in MMA entirely. |
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Post by Codesters on Jun 12, 2008 21:27:48 GMT -5
Lesnar doesn't have to be the champion to be hugely marketable. Yep. look at Bisping. |
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Post by PdW2kX on Jun 12, 2008 21:43:47 GMT -5
Being champ would certainly help, though. All I'm saying is that I honestly feel like Dana will pull the trigger and put Brock into title contention if he begins dominating opponents and living up to all his hype.
That said, I also believe that Lesnar will stop being "hugely marketable" if he loses two straight amidst all this hype of him being a big signing and a huge asset to the company.
Just ask Mirko Cro Cop what losing two straight amidst rampant fanfare does to your career and image.
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Jun 13, 2008 4:13:22 GMT -5
I've said it before and I will say it again. The only thing holding Brock back is Brock. He is an instant gradifacation guy. If he looses this fight look for him to try and bow out of his last fight. But if he is willing to put the training in and focus and put some time behind him ( a year maybe 2) he could be great. And we could talk about him like we talk about a Fedor or a Couture. Because he has the natural ability but he just needs the education and skills to help him.
Brock is Brock's worst enemy.
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Post by chevynutzNS on Jun 17, 2008 7:32:03 GMT -5
i think he has potential but he has a LONG way to go and A LOT to learn.
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Post by hynterd on Jun 18, 2008 20:09:56 GMT -5
soon lesnar will dominate and have the hw title for a long time
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