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Post by tibbs1984 on Jun 10, 2008 10:17:34 GMT -5
Do you guys think that Brock Lesnar will be able to win the HW title?
I think with a little more time in the octagon, that it is pretty much inevitable. In actuality he won his debut fight in UFC. The only problem was it wasn't a fight. It was a mma match. Which unfortunatly he made a mistake in and lost. (read that statement again before you flame me. I know he didn't win. Try to comprehend what I am saying.)
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Post by recklessmatten on Jun 10, 2008 10:19:02 GMT -5
Once Lesnar gets into a rhythm i see him becoming dominant in the HW Division
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Post by brethitmanhart on Jun 10, 2008 10:20:56 GMT -5
Nah, he's not good enough yet. He needs more experience in MMA before he wants to challenge for the title. I want to see him vs. St Pierre, I would freakin' love every minute of it.
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Post by murdaspace on Jun 10, 2008 10:21:17 GMT -5
need a lot of bjj training but maybe
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Post by murdaspace on Jun 10, 2008 10:23:03 GMT -5
Nah, he's not good enough yet. He needs more experience in MMA before he wants to challenge for the title. I want to see him vs. St Pierre, I would freakin' love every minute of it. pierre is a ww 170 pounds brock cuts down to get to 265 never gonna happen |
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Post by shogun on Jun 10, 2008 10:25:55 GMT -5
In actuality he won his debut fight in UFC. No he didn't, he tapped to a kneebar by Frank Mir. Brock won his MMA debut, but his UFC record is 0-1 |
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Jun 10, 2008 10:30:18 GMT -5
Lesnar will be a champion someday as long as he doesn't lose interest. He's still basically a rookie. Which means even if he loses to Heath Herring, I honestly don't think there is any shame in that. The question will be this: Can Brock Lesnar handle working his way up from the very bottom, if he loses his next couple of fights?
If Lesnar had started at the bottom like most rookies do, he'd probably amass an 8-0 record before he even debuted in the UFC. As rookies go, he is awesome. But they're putting him against guys who have way more experience and have been in situations, fight-wise, that Lesnar hasn't. They know counters to situations that Lesnar hasn't even experienced yet.
So yeah... Lesnar has the tools and the work ethic. As long as he can accept that it may take a couple of years to get his BJJ, his ground defense, and other aspects of his game up to snuff, he'll keep working, and he'll be the best UFC has in a few years.
I don't think he'd beat Nogueira this year unless it was a fluke, flash knockout. I expect him to have problems with Herring, too. But someday, he definitely could be champ.
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Post by tibbs1984 on Jun 10, 2008 10:31:03 GMT -5
In actuality he won his debut fight in UFC. No he didn't, he tapped to a kneebar by Frank Mir. Brock won his MMA debut, but his UFC record is 0-1 You obviously can't read. I said he won the FIGHT. Not the mma match. I even said I knew he lost. He was beating the crap out of Mir in a fight. He made a mistake and got caught which forced him to tap. |
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Post by brethitmanhart on Jun 10, 2008 10:33:39 GMT -5
No he didn't, he tapped to a kneebar by Frank Mir. Brock won his MMA debut, but his UFC record is 0-1 You obviously can't read. I said he won the FIGHT. Not the mma match. I even said I knew he lost. He was beating the crap out of Mir in a fight. He made a mistake and got caught which forced him to tap. At the end of the day he lost his first fight. If he wanted to just punch the hell out of a guy, he should be thrown into the ring with a boxer or Kimbo Slice, this is the UFC, he has to be aware of holds and locks. |
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Post by shogun on Jun 10, 2008 10:41:08 GMT -5
Yeah. Whether he was doing ok with his punches or not, he lost the fight. No arguing about that.
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Post by tibbs1984 on Jun 10, 2008 10:56:22 GMT -5
The reason I brought the winning a fight deal up is because he was against Mir. Who, before his bike wreck, was on his way to some big time success. Had he been in there with some schmuck he woul have blown him away. I guess what I was trying to get at, but didn't convey very well, is look at how good he is with such little experience. Once he learns more and get more fight time, he could be dominant. That was a mistake that he would not have made in say his 10th fight. Also if it was a normal fighter, they wouldn't have an opponent of that caliber to catch that mistake.
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Post by Gazza on Jun 10, 2008 10:58:14 GMT -5
He looked good against Mir, untill he got put in the Kneebar. He looked strong, and threw some good punchs. So if lesnar sticks to his guns, then i can see him been at the top, but not till he gets more experince.
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Post by shogun on Jun 10, 2008 11:03:30 GMT -5
Yeah, agreed. Experience is the key.
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Post by ajstyles888 on Jun 10, 2008 11:22:32 GMT -5
I don't know .. but he really needs a lot of BJJ work if he ever wants to be champion.
- Iron heart
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Post by Codesters on Jun 10, 2008 12:44:13 GMT -5
Do you guys think that Brock Lesnar will be able to win the HW title? I think with a little more time in the octagon, that it is pretty much inevitable. In actuality he won his debut fight in UFC. The only problem was it wasn't a fight. It was a mma match. Which unfortunatly he made a mistake in and lost. (read that statement again before you flame me. I know he didn't win. Try to comprehend what I am saying.) Oh my god....... This is why I dread having boards for mma...  |
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Post by ajstyles888 on Jun 10, 2008 12:53:00 GMT -5
Do you guys think that Brock Lesnar will be able to win the HW title? I think with a little more time in the octagon, that it is pretty much inevitable. In actuality he won his debut fight in UFC. The only problem was it wasn't a fight. It was a mma match. Which unfortunatly he made a mistake in and lost. (read that statement again before you flame me. I know he didn't win. Try to comprehend what I am saying.) Oh my god....... This is why I dread having boards for mma... Yea i feel ya, but at least we have our own board now lol - Iron Heart |
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Post by cmpunkgts on Jun 10, 2008 13:32:58 GMT -5
Lesnar is a big....meoowww. He needs a lot of work before he becomes dominate in the UFC. Kimbo got his ass handed to him most of his first televised fight on CBS before he pulled off that b.s. stoppage. It takes time and its a big jump from what they are used to. Its not all just fists and kicks.
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Post by johnnymalloy on Jun 10, 2008 13:36:37 GMT -5
Lesnar will be champion if the right guy is champion when he finally challenges. Any submission guy like Mir or Nogeria, is a worse-case-scenario for Brock. If a wrestler or a sub-par striker somehow gets the belt, than it's Brock belt for the taking.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jun 10, 2008 14:13:08 GMT -5
Lesnar will be a champion someday as long as he doesn't lose interest. Thats kind of an oxymoron there, man. (I think Im using the word right...haha.  ) He always seems to lose interest after he does poorly and what have you. He loses a couple more matches, I can gaurentee you he will leave MMA and return to wrestling or whatever. If he continues to lose, then it will never happen. If he wins a few, maybe. He needs some major work though. |
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Jun 10, 2008 14:55:05 GMT -5
Lesnar will be a champion someday as long as he doesn't lose interest. Thats kind of an oxymoron there, man. (I think Im using the word right...haha. ) He always seems to lose interest after he does poorly and what have you. He loses a couple more matches, I can gaurentee you he will leave MMA and return to wrestling or whatever. If he continues to lose, then it will never happen. If he wins a few, maybe. He needs some major work though. Yeah, that was basically my point. Brock's history shows that he loses interest if things don't go his way. He didn't like WWE, so he quit before his contract was up. He didn't make the Minnesota Vikings on his first try, so he abandoned football. He claims he's in MMA for the long run, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise. The other factor is money. UFC is paying Brock a lot of money. If they keep putting him with decent opponents and he loses more than he wins, even if Brock Lesnar doesn't quit UFC, Dana White might try to pay him less. Even if Brock sticks with MMA, I don't see him agreeing to a pay cut, even if his record warrants it. We shall see. |
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