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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on May 8, 2008 13:19:18 GMT -5
I do. Dana White while he has done good things for the MMA sport he has also done some pretty stupid things.That I feel are holding them back. And he sounds like a idiot that doesn't know what to say so he randomly swears.
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Post by Kliquid on May 8, 2008 13:31:02 GMT -5
Dana White has done great things for UFC, and MMA in general... But he reminds me a lot of Vince McMahon, in that as smart as he is, he is also a major reason that bad things happen in the company.
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Post by Codesters on May 8, 2008 15:06:51 GMT -5
dana's stubborn and holds grudges. simple as that.
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on May 8, 2008 20:32:12 GMT -5
Dana, while deserving of many acoolades is just like Vince and while he may not do things we all like and anyone likes.. oh freakin well. get over it Tito. Go work for someone else and grow up.
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Post by Sandy on May 9, 2008 0:06:13 GMT -5
Grow up?
The guy who has arguably made the most money for the UFC over the span of his career needs to grow up? The guy who generates a high volume of buyrates whenever he is on a PPV needs to grow up? The guy who's season on The Ultimate Fighter scored higher ratings than the majority of all over seasons needs to grow up?
Bottom line Tito, LIKE HIM OR NOT, has done a lot for the UFC. But at the same time the UFC has done a lot for him. But do you honestly think Tito will be a lost soul once his UFC contract is done? You think other up and coming MMA organizations are not going to be ITCHING to have a guy like Tito on their shows?
Tito going somewhere like DREAM, EliteXC, HDnet, etc. automatically makes that particular company a tad more legit and credible.
Dana White I think is brilliant. But he is letting personal feelings get to him buy letting a guy, who STILL generates a lot of money for the company, go....Tito hasn't finished a fight in years besides Shamrock and he still gets more boo's and more cheers than most of the UFC roster.
If Arlovski and Tito end up going to the same organization that is a huge deal IMO.
But Dana will realize the mistake he has made when Tito beats Machida. I will go with the underdog on this one and say Tito will win, putting that passion that used to exude from his pores into this fight and beating Machida decisively.
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Post by PdW2kX on May 9, 2008 1:29:59 GMT -5
Both men have done a lot for the sport of MMA.
Both men also seem to be bungholes.
*shrugs*
We've all got our faults.
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Post by jorge4903 on May 9, 2008 13:13:11 GMT -5
Tito will lay into machida with a fury you have not seen in years, I'm sure he wants to leave with a bang, and if he wins expect an explicit farewell speech to dana on camera.
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Post by fattic on May 9, 2008 13:34:57 GMT -5
Dana White has done great things for UFC, and MMA in general... But he reminds me a lot of Vince McMahon, in that as smart as he is, he is also a major reason that bad things happen in the company. Pretty much what I was going to say. I still like Dana White though, I think he does more good than bad, but whatever.
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Post by Graze on May 9, 2008 13:42:52 GMT -5
Dana White needs to lay off the "F" bombs
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Post by Kliquid on May 9, 2008 14:30:26 GMT -5
Dana White has done great things for UFC, and MMA in general... But he reminds me a lot of Vince McMahon, in that as smart as he is, he is also a major reason that bad things happen in the company. Pretty much what I was going to say. I still like Dana White though, I think he does more good than bad, but whatever. I agree, but if I see him call Fedor "not even a top-10 heavyweight" again, my head might explode.
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Post by Codesters on May 10, 2008 12:58:11 GMT -5
Tito will lay into machida with a fury you have not seen in years, I'm sure he wants to leave with a bang, and if he wins expect an explicit farewell speech to dana on camera. I agree. Tito's already said alot of controversial things while still in contract so what will he have to lose?
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Post by Sandy on May 10, 2008 15:37:01 GMT -5
I can totally see Tito winning...giving his speech and the UFC cutting him off.. I don't think the UFC will give Tito the upperhand. But I will be satified to see Tito just give Dana the double middle fingers. Win or Lose.
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Post by Swarm on May 11, 2008 13:53:18 GMT -5
I agree entirely.
And let's all be a little realistic here. UFC got big because they did a reality show on TV and thus gained exposure from fight and wrestling fans who hadn't seen anything great from boxing or WWE in years. I'll give him that. He's been able to essentially come in and give those fans the best of both worlds.
However, the ultimate issue with Dana is in fact that he does try to be more like McMahon. This might seem like a good or a negative thing, but McMahon's never really done anything specifically that hurt the WWE's bottom line more than the cyclical nature of the wrestling business would've in the first place. No, what Dana has done is essentially introduced the company branding format to MMA.
Here's the thing, I'm sure a lot of you watch boxing and enjoy it, I personally love it. Now, how many who are reading this can name three boxing promotions? I can't imagine many of you can. I don't say that to criticize or try to make you look foolish, because that's not why you don't. Boxing makes a point to provide the most crucial, competitive fights every time, regardless of what "company" a guy works for. That's why there's so many unification and double title matches in boxing. The reason for that is, clearly, competition. To see who is the better fighter. Brands in legitimate sports are essentially irrelevant because when it comes down to it, it's the fighters and matches that matter most.
With that being said, you look at UFC and everything is branded. UFC is not a company where the best fighters in the world face to find out who is better, it's a company where the most lucrative fight between two fighters under contract for at least two more fights face. You look at the deal with Fedor, and it becomes very clear. Anyone who knows anything about MMA knows that Fedor is logically the best fighter in the world. Randy Couture, however, has a fair argument disputing that. If this were boxing, we would've seen that fight before Couture and faced Gonzaga. However since it's UFC and Fedor was signed to M1, we can't possibly see it because it would "hurt business". This couldn't be farther from the truth, as an incredible confrontation such as that would only help MMA as a whole. Unfortunately, Dana White has no intention to help MMA, Dana White wants to help Dana White. He wants his face on magazines and his name referenced next to Vince McMahon and Don King and the like. He doesn't give a sh*t about MMA as a sport and only wants UFC to succeed, and everyone else to fail.
With Vince McMahon, this makes sense entirely. WWE is, at the end of the day, an entertainment product that is as predetermined as a network sitcom or cartoon show. So, in the same way a show on NBC that has the same timeslot as a show on ABC would want to beat the show on ABC in ratings, WWE should have that same intention on other companies. But MMA is a sport, and is still new and finding it's solid fanbase. By restricting the quality of fights due to brands and companies and so on, Dana does more harm to MMA than good.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on May 11, 2008 15:28:52 GMT -5
Dana White has done great things for UFC, and MMA in general... But he reminds me a lot of Vince McMahon, in that as smart as he is, he is also a major reason that bad things happen in the company. Well said.
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on May 12, 2008 16:17:36 GMT -5
Dana White has done great things for UFC, and MMA in general... But he reminds me a lot of Vince McMahon, in that as smart as he is, he is also a major reason that bad things happen in the company. Well said. I actually don't agree. Vince will put his personal feelings aside for better business. Dana White wont. Dana holds grudges and shits on people. He didn't even air Arlovski's last fight. Why? Because it was his last fight. Even though he wanted to sign back on. I personally from personal dealings with Dana cannot stand the guy. He makes it sound like he is going to give you the world. Then he promises the next guy the same thing. And as soon as you are about to leave he tries to bury you.
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Post by Codesters on May 13, 2008 12:38:31 GMT -5
I actually don't agree. Vince will put his personal feelings aside for better business. Dana White wont. Dana holds grudges and ****s on people. He didn't even air Arlovski's last fight. Why? Because it was his last fight. Even though he wanted to sign back on. I personally from personal dealings with Dana cannot stand the guy. He makes it sound like he is going to give you the world. Then he promises the next guy the same thing. And as soon as you are about to leave he tries to bury you. Thats how I feel. Dana lets his personal feelings get in the way of buisiness, which will be the demise of him one day.
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Post by Kliquid on May 23, 2008 13:47:58 GMT -5
Teets looks like he's in great shape.
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Post by shogun on May 23, 2008 15:29:06 GMT -5
Chicken legs. LOL. That was the best part of TUF 3, the jokes about Tito's teeny tiny legs.
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Post by Codesters on May 23, 2008 16:29:16 GMT -5
Chicken legs. LOL. That was the best part of TUF 3, the jokes about Tito's teeny tiny legs. I think they got it when ya said 'Chicken Legs"
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