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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on May 24, 2008 22:50:48 GMT -5
I am amazed we don't have one already. The event itself has been  ing spectacular, I am loving every second of it. Lyoto handled Tito with ease, outclassed him in every position. Wanderlei shut me up, and shut alot of people up with his 0:36 knock out of Keithe Jardine. Wow. 8-2 in my UFC Fantasy picks so far, I'll post a screen shot again. Go BJ!!! UPDATE: Here's my overall results. Great card, I will definitely call it the best PPV of 2008 so far, no doubt.  9-2. I think I did pretty damn good. I called Lyoto vs. Tito to a T, and the fight itself did not disappoint. Hell, I can't say there was one bad, even boring fight tonight at all. I think a key word for the event would be domination. Lyoto dominated Tito, and Wanderlei didn't even give Keith a chance to fight. "I want to knock him out, so fast." He sure as hell did. BJ's destroyed Sean Sherk, impressively as well. I definitely do have to say, I respect Sean Sherk after tonight. The people gave him shit, but there's no evidence to call him on anything. Sean was criticized (heavily by myself) for being one of the best guys around for boring, lay n' pray decisions. Well, he stood right in BJ's house and banged with him for 3 rounds. Sherk's a tough man. |
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Post by Mr. Orange on May 25, 2008 0:04:00 GMT -5
yeah, Wanderlei is back!! He looked like the Wanderlei of old in there. I was rooting for Silva, Tito, and Penn. 2 out of 3 is pretty good. |
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Post by HHH316 on May 25, 2008 0:22:42 GMT -5
I was SO disappointed in Sherk's fight tonight. He is usually a smart fighter, but tonight he seemed to start fighting out of anger & didnt even touch his wrestling, which is his best piece of his game. He went for one takedown, & just threw the rest of the fight. That's not a Sean Sherk fight. My friend & I were so disappointed we left as soon as it was over.
Machida fought a perfect fight. 'F The fans who were booing & if they thought he was running away.
Wanderlei looked very impressive. It looks like he was back to old form.
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Post by 6 seasons and a movie on May 25, 2008 0:35:38 GMT -5
Really kicking myself for not pick Silva in my fantasy picks as I kept going back and forth between the two and was figuring Jardine wouldn't be able to take the next step and make himself a legit title contender. Didn't think he would be that impressive but was glad to see it. This was the first time for me doing fantasy picks and I scored 119, hopefully I will do better next time but it was fun having more then just the winner to rout for during the event and being able to rout for a certain finish and certain time of finish anded a little more to the event.
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on May 25, 2008 1:01:09 GMT -5
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Post by Kliquid on May 25, 2008 1:06:15 GMT -5
Machida fought a perfect fight. 'F The fans who were booing & if they thought he was running away. Machida circled away the entire fight, man... He had Tito in guard and he stood up and started circling again. Machida is by far the most boring fighter at 205. Congrats on him for winning another decision where he lands two shots the entire fight and wins because his opponent can't get near him without him bouncing away like a kangaroo. |
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on May 25, 2008 1:21:27 GMT -5
Machida fought a perfect fight. 'F The fans who were booing & if they thought he was running away. Machida circled away the entire fight, man... He had Tito in guard and he stood up and started circling again. Machida is by far the most boring fighter at 205. Congrats on him for winning another decision where he lands two shots the entire fight and wins because his opponent can't get near him without him bouncing away like a kangaroo. 100% agreed. It was so bad Tito put his hands all the way down and said come on. I really wish Tito would have won that fight. Also Dana showed no class. He didn't even enter the octagon like he did all night long with all the other fights. Tito handled the whole situation with class. |
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Post by Kliquid on May 25, 2008 2:06:26 GMT -5
100% agreed. It was so bad Tito put his hands all the way down and said come on. I really wish Tito would have won that fight. Also Dana showed no class. He didn't even enter the octagon like he did all night long with all the other fights. Tito handled the whole situation with class. As much as I like Tito, I'm not going to give him the benefit of saying that he handles anything involving Dana White with "class." They're both whiney, little bitches about it. |
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on May 25, 2008 9:14:23 GMT -5
Man, I don't think I've ever seen a more vicious and decisive beating in my life. And of course, I am talking about the Silva/Jardine fight, if you can even call it that. Because to me, it was more like a mugging. Silva beat Jardine down and out. It was brutal.
I don't know where Jardine goes from here, but it isn't anywhere near a title shot, that is for sure. And I'm also not sure what is next for Wanderlei. Maybe a re-match with Chuck?? I'm not quite sure who you would put Silva up against now...Jame Irvin when he gets healthy??
I thought the Machida/Ortiz fight pretty much sucked. The highlight of that entire 15-minute snooze-fest was the knee Machida drilled Tito with in the last 40 seconds of the 3rd round. Either that or the attempted triangle-choke by Tito. I thought that was dangerously close to being stopped or having Machida tapping out.
I was upset Sherk lost, but he'll be back. I thought the flying-knee and the numerous punches came way after the bell in that round. I thought they were WAY late. But, regardless, Sherk said he couldn't continue and that was that. Congrats to B.J.
Overall a great night of fights and here's to UFC #85. Can't wait.
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Post by Mr. Orange on May 25, 2008 9:36:39 GMT -5
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Post by Sandy on May 25, 2008 12:24:53 GMT -5
I can't believe people are actually impressed with Lyoto.
You can call that smart fighting all you want but when you are on the defense the entire fight there is nothing impressive about that at all. In total I would say there were about 7 kicks, 2 knees, and 10 punches thrown by Lyoto the ENTIRE fight.
Congrats to him winning you know. It makes his resume look that much more impressive but he will never be a headlining guy that people will be lining up to see. Does anyone really want to see 5 ROUNDS of that s***?
I was so damn disappointed in Tito when he was aggressive in the fight was when he was most successful. I don't know why he didn't do more of that. When he locked in the triangle I jumped up and screamed like a little bitch but when he tried to transition into an arm bar I was like WHAT THE F*** ARE YOU DOING?. I seriously think he could have tapped Lyoto out if he stayed with the triangle.
Very disappointing for a last fight though. I don't think I want to see Tito in the UFC anymore. Maybe Dana White is right, maybe he just does not have that passion anymore to be the best fighter in the world. And thats a damn shame.
I pretty much called every fight, except for the Tito fight. I knew Wandy would come back and DESTROY Jardine and he did. I am guessing he will be fighting Chuck? Because i think Chuck said that is what he wants to do is fight whoever won the Jardine/Silva fight.
BJ Penn is a f***ing animal. Very good fight. I have never been a Sean Sherk fan so I am glad BJ just completely destroyed him on the feet.
Overall very entertaining PPV. I think they showed like 10 fights or something crazy like that. Glad I got my moneys worth.
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on May 25, 2008 13:14:26 GMT -5
I can't believe you guys are upset with Lyoto. How can you be?
The only person you should be angry with is Tito. Lyoto was attacking, being the aggressor. He landed some sick kicks, some good punches, took Tito down with ease and dropped him with a knee that could've dented a semi truck.
Machida brought it to Tito the entire time, it was TITO who refused to engage.
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Post by Sandy on May 25, 2008 13:39:32 GMT -5
Tito refused to engage?
How so? He was chasing the guy for 15 minutes. If you mean he didn't make himself look stupid by running in their trying to get a double leg takedown and on the way in gets caught with a knee to the face then yes why would he. Why would Tito run in guns a blazing against a guy whose whole style relies on defense?
I am upset at Tito though.Don't get me wrong, I am a huge Tito fan and I thought he would destroy Machida. But it didn't happen like that. If he came out and fought how he did in the third round from the beginning Tito would have walked away with that fight. But I don't know what is next for Tito. I really don't want to see him in the UFC anymore. After the fight he was over there just worried about promoting his clothing line and his website...I don't know.
If you guys are excited when watching Machida fight than to each their own. But I find the guy boring. Everyone is saying he is unstoppable and blah blah blah. But he will get exposed, he will be beat..BADLY. Put him against an amazing stiker, I promise he will be KTFO. Put him against a Henderson, Liddell, or Rampage.
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on May 25, 2008 14:05:46 GMT -5
Tito refused to engage? How so? He was chasing the guy for 15 minutes. If you mean he didn't make himself look stupid by running in their trying to get a double leg takedown and on the way in gets caught with a knee to the face then yes why would he. Why would Tito run in guns a blazing against a guy whose whole style relies on defense? I am upset at Tito though.Don't get me wrong, I am a huge Tito fan and I thought he would destroy Machida. But it didn't happen like that. If he came out and fought how he did in the third round from the beginning Tito would have walked away with that fight. But I don't know what is next for Tito. I really don't want to see him in the UFC anymore. After the fight he was over there just worried about promoting his clothing line and his website...I don't know. If you guys are excited when watching Machida fight than to each their own. But I find the guy boring. Everyone is saying he is unstoppable and blah blah blah. But he will get exposed, he will be beat..BADLY. Put him against an amazing stiker, I promise he will be KTFO. Put him against a Henderson, Liddell, or Rampage. I don't like Machida's style. He makes good fighters look really poor by running away from them. Maybe if Tito had done what Nate Quarry did then it would make people realize Machida was doing the same shit. All he did was throw a jab and run. I for one do not want to see Machida fight. It is really hard to fight a guy who's defense is run away. And Sweeny Todd "Lyoto was attacking, being the aggressor. He landed some sick kicks, some good punches, took Tito down with ease and dropped him with a knee that could've dented a semi truck." You obviosuly were not watching the same fight I was. Machida was NOT the aggressor at all. He did not want to take it to the ground which is understandable. Sure I do blame Tito because he did not take advantage of the litttle openings he had. And also a bummer about my buddy Warmachine. Got choked out in 56 seconds. He didn't tap just passed out. And looked like he was dead when Dean broke them up. Oh well there's always next time War. |
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on May 25, 2008 14:26:02 GMT -5
Tito refused to engage? How so? He was chasing the guy for 15 minutes. If you mean he didn't make himself look stupid by running in their trying to get a double leg takedown and on the way in gets caught with a knee to the face then yes why would he. Why would Tito run in guns a blazing against a guy whose whole style relies on defense? I am upset at Tito though.Don't get me wrong, I am a huge Tito fan and I thought he would destroy Machida. But it didn't happen like that. If he came out and fought how he did in the third round from the beginning Tito would have walked away with that fight. But I don't know what is next for Tito. I really don't want to see him in the UFC anymore. After the fight he was over there just worried about promoting his clothing line and his website...I don't know. If you guys are excited when watching Machida fight than to each their own. But I find the guy boring. Everyone is saying he is unstoppable and blah blah blah. But he will get exposed, he will be beat..BADLY. Put him against an amazing stiker, I promise he will be KTFO. Put him against a Henderson, Liddell, or Rampage. I don't like Machida's style. He makes good fighters look really poor by running away from them. Maybe if Tito had done what Nate Quarry did then it would make people realize Machida was doing the same ****. All he did was throw a jab and run. I for one do not want to see Machida fight. It is really hard to fight a guy who's defense is run away. And Sweeny Todd "Lyoto was attacking, being the aggressor. He landed some sick kicks, some good punches, took Tito down with ease and dropped him with a knee that could've dented a semi truck." You obviosuly were not watching the same fight I was. Machida was NOT the aggressor at all. He did not want to take it to the ground which is understandable. Sure I do blame Tito because he did not take advantage of the litttle openings he had.And also a bummer about my buddy Warmachine. Got choked out in 56 seconds. He didn't tap just passed out. And looked like he was dead when Dean broke them up. Oh well there's always next time War. Lyoto WAS the agressor. Obviously. He threw more, he landed more, and he kept Tito guessing the entire fight. It would not have mattered if Tito fought like he did in the third round the whole time, because he lost that round, too. It was 30-27 across the cards. Lyoto dominated Machida, and it seems you guys cannot cope with that. And hey, Tito didn't get the knee to the liver when he was going for a take down. Machida came at Tito with that knee. Here's proof. i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee72/mbish23/lyototito02.gif |
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Post by becca on May 25, 2008 16:05:25 GMT -5
I really don't want to see BJ go up a weight class again. I know him vs GSP is tempting, but I think he should devote himself to lightweight for a bit more, not just come down, win title, go back up.
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Post by Kliquid on May 25, 2008 19:28:31 GMT -5
The only person you should be angry with is Tito. Lyoto was attacking, being the aggressor. He landed some sick kicks, some good punches, took Tito down with ease and dropped him with a knee that could've dented a semi truck. Machida brought it to Tito the entire time, it was TITO who refused to engage. ... What in the blue ing hell are you talking about? Did you actually watch the fight? Machida circled around him the ENTIRE FIGHT. Tito was dropping his hands, daring Machida to throw something at him. Machida would then throw a leg kick and continue to bounce around. Seriously, I have no idea how the hell you are saying that Machida was "being the aggressor." Every time Tito moved in to close in on him, Machida would slip away and run like a bitch. Don't get me wrong... Machida definitely landed some great shots. In fact, the slam he landed on Tito at the end of round one had me on my feet. At that point, I thought Machida was going to continue to be aggressive, move in, take it to Tito, and land more than 2 big shots in the entire fight. ... But he didn't. He ran away. He landed a couple good shots, and I will absolutely not take that away from him -- but he definitely was not "the aggressor" and to say that is not only inaccurate, it's completely being oblivious to the facts. I really don't want to see BJ go up a weight class again. I know him vs GSP is tempting, but I think he should devote himself to lightweight for a bit more, not just come down, win title, go back up. Honestly, who is there for him to fight at lightweight? Roger Huerta? Kenny Florian? Please. BJ Penn wins via WHATEVER THE HELL HE WANTS against those two. I really don't think there's any question that Penn is the best lightweight in the world. |
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on May 25, 2008 22:08:41 GMT -5
The only person you should be angry with is Tito. Lyoto was attacking, being the aggressor. He landed some sick kicks, some good punches, took Tito down with ease and dropped him with a knee that could've dented a semi truck. Machida brought it to Tito the entire time, it was TITO who refused to engage. ... What in the blue ing hell are you talking about? Did you actually watch the fight? Machida circled around him the ENTIRE FIGHT. Tito was dropping his hands, daring Machida to throw something at him. Machida would then throw a leg kick and continue to bounce around. Seriously, I have no idea how the hell you are saying that Machida was "being the aggressor." Every time Tito moved in to close in on him, Machida would slip away and run like a bitch. Don't get me wrong... Machida definitely landed some great shots. In fact, the slam he landed on Tito at the end of round one had me on my feet. At that point, I thought Machida was going to continue to be aggressive, move in, take it to Tito, and land more than 2 big shots in the entire fight. ... But he didn't. He ran away. He landed a couple good shots, and I will absolutely not take that away from him -- but he definitely was not "the aggressor" and to say that is not only inaccurate, it's completely being oblivious to the facts. I really don't want to see BJ go up a weight class again. I know him vs GSP is tempting, but I think he should devote himself to lightweight for a bit more, not just come down, win title, go back up. Honestly, who is there for him to fight at lightweight? Roger Huerta? Kenny Florian? Please. BJ Penn wins via WHATEVER THE HELL HE WANTS against those two. I really don't think there's any question that Penn is the best lightweight in the world. I would call you an idiot, but over on MMAForum.com, they're split 50/50 as well. I've got people agreeing with me, and people saying the exact same thign you are. Here's the way I see it. Lyoto fought smart. He attacked. Even if he popped in, hit him, and popped out, that is offense. That is attacking. If Tito was so upset, why didn't he move in instead of whining and raising his hands. Every time Tito came in, he got popped. Every time he went for a take down, he got stuffed. Ortiz was outclassed by a better fighter. Just like Randy, Chuck, and Frank did to Tito, he had nothing against Machida. |
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Post by HHH316 on May 26, 2008 0:55:07 GMT -5
I totally agree with you guys who say Tito was the aggressor in the fight. I looked at Machida's style for the fight as not running away from Tito, but to chase him around & frustrate him. Joe Rogan even said when Tito would throw punches, Machida escape easily. Tito should of tried to trap him. I'm not ant-Tito, but he can only blame himself for the loss. If Machida didn't do anything the whole fight, Tito should have won easily. I didn't say Machida put up a 5 star match, but he had a great game plan that frustrated the hell out of Tito.
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Post by Sandy on May 26, 2008 2:35:03 GMT -5
I am not saying Machida is not a smart fighter, because he absolutely is. He knew this was a must win for Ortiz. So Ortiz literally had no choice but to fall into Machidas style of fighting on the defense of your opponent. Tito didn't want to do that, he wanted Machida to throw something and Tito would then retaliate with a combo and then shoot for the takedown. But Tito never got that chance. So it was Titos fault for coming up with such a weak ass gameplan against a guy who is known for making guys look f***ing stupid.
BUT at the same time some of you have to see where we are coming from when we say Machida is perhaps the 205 version of a Tim Sylvia. Sure he can string together some wins, but at what expense? The entertainment value is lost.
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