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Post by becca on May 26, 2008 10:19:46 GMT -5
I really don't want to see BJ go up a weight class again. I know him vs GSP is tempting, but I think he should devote himself to lightweight for a bit more, not just come down, win title, go back up. Honestly, who is there for him to fight at lightweight? Roger Huerta? Kenny Florian? Please. BJ Penn wins via WHATEVER THE HELL HE WANTS against those two. I really don't think there's any question that Penn is the best lightweight in the world. Yeah, I agree, but I think he needs to stay there, probably destroy the winner of the huerta/kenflo fight, and give the guys motivation to train harder and get better, at least there'd be a goal. Try to improve the weight class instead of jumping ship immediately. |
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Post by Kliquid on May 26, 2008 14:58:23 GMT -5
Go back and watch the Machida vs. BJ Penn fight from a few years ago... You know, the one where Machida did this same thing; basically running away the entire fight.
But in my opinion, BJ Penn actually won that fight... And that's pretty f'n sad, considering Machida outweighed him significantly, despite Penn weighing in at a VERY CHUNKY 190 lbs.
Hell, Penn even slams Machida midway through round one. It's bad news. Lyoto Machida is not entertaining in the slightest bit and he almost never wins fights convincingly. It's pathetic.
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Post by Codesters on May 26, 2008 15:50:26 GMT -5
Great Fights. Silva suprised me with his aggressiveness. Machida used a game plan Iv never seen him use before but it worked and Tito was too frustrated to do much. And Kudos to BJ, I thought Sherk would be more of a challenge.
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Post by Sandy on May 26, 2008 15:58:18 GMT -5
Go back and watch the Machida vs. BJ Penn fight from a few years ago... You know, the one where Machida did this same thing; basically running away the entire fight. But in my opinion, BJ Penn actually won that fight... And that's pretty f'n sad, considering Machida outweighed him significantly, despite Penn weighing in at a VERY CHUNKY 190 lbs. Hell, Penn even slams Machida midway through round one. It's bad news. Lyoto Machida is not entertaining in the slightest bit and he almost never wins fights convincingly. It's pathetic. I read that somewhere and thought it was a typo. So now Machida has wins over Rich Franklin, BJ Penn, Sokodjou, and Tito Ortiz. Kudos to Machida I guess. |
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Post by Kliquid on May 26, 2008 16:02:28 GMT -5
I read that somewhere and thought it was a typo. So now Machida has wins over Rich Franklin, BJ Penn, Sokodjou, and Tito Ortiz. Kudos to Machida I guess. The Penn fight is on Youtube. Check it out. You'll see how sad it is to watch BJ Penn put on as much weight as he possibly could (up to like 190 lbs.) and chase Machida around the ring. Go Machida. WIN ANOTHER FIGHT VIA CONTROVERSIAL DECISION! YEAH! TO HELL WITH ACTUALLY ATTEMPTING TO FINISH A FIGHT ONCE IN AWHILE! |
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Post by jorge4903 on May 26, 2008 16:31:15 GMT -5
Machida is a punk. Ortiz loses again, but once again his opponent can't finish him. Ortiz forever!!!
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Post by DWright on May 26, 2008 19:51:23 GMT -5
Machida is a punk. Ortiz loses again, but once again his opponent can't finish him. Ortiz forever!!! Yeah, that's a great way to look at it... |
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Post by Overnight Sensation on May 26, 2008 21:24:19 GMT -5
Bj Penn vs Urijah Faber
book it!
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Post by Kliquid on May 26, 2008 21:27:14 GMT -5
Bj Penn vs Urijah Faber book it! I don't think it's realistic for Penn to be at 145. If they fought at 155, Penn wins. They trained together recently and all reports were that Penn was completely dominating Faber in every facet of the game. |
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Post by DWright on May 26, 2008 21:49:22 GMT -5
Bj Penn vs Urijah Faber book it! I don't think it's realistic for Penn to be at 145. If they fought at 155, Penn wins. They trained together recently and all reports were that Penn was completely dominating Faber in every facet of the game. Yeah, Faber is a small 145, and Penn could easily move up. That's not going to happen. Faber has plenty of opponents he could face. Pulver (June 1st), Garcia, COUGH KID COUGH...etc. |
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Post by Sandy on May 27, 2008 1:07:45 GMT -5
Machida is a punk. Ortiz loses again, but once again his opponent can't finish him. Ortiz forever!!! Yeah, that's a great way to look at it... Why not? In the same aspect that is exactly what people are saying about Machida. Me and a couple of others are saying he doesn't finish fights and that he basically is backing up on the defense in all of his fights. People then respond to that by saying "Well he is fighting smart, he is picking his opponents a part and making them look stupid, who cares if he wins by a decision." But isn't that the same reason people got pissed off at Tito for winning by decision against Belfort, Griffin, and Cote? Because it was in fact a win by decision people said Tito should step away from the fight game. But a win is a win right? The only difference is Tito actually engaged in physical contact for longer than 15 seconds at a time. |
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Post by Kliquid on May 27, 2008 9:35:57 GMT -5
The only difference is Tito actually engaged in physical contact for longer than 15 seconds at a time. Yes, exactly. Whether Ortiz won his decisions convincingly or not, at least he was attempting some offense, as you said, for more than 15 seconds at a time. |
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Post by Kliquid on May 27, 2008 11:45:07 GMT -5
 My goodness. Please bring on ANYONE at 155. |
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Post by DWright on May 27, 2008 13:36:09 GMT -5
Yeah, that's a great way to look at it... Why not? In the same aspect that is exactly what people are saying about Machida. Me and a couple of others are saying he doesn't finish fights and that he basically is backing up on the defense in all of his fights. People then respond to that by saying "Well he is fighting smart, he is picking his opponents a part and making them look stupid, who cares if he wins by a decision." But isn't that the same reason people got pissed off at Tito for winning by decision against Belfort, Griffin, and Cote? Because it was in fact a win by decision people said Tito should step away from the fight game. But a win is a win right? The only difference is Tito actually engaged in physical contact for longer than 15 seconds at a time. Because it's still a loss. He was saying "At least Ortiz wasn't finished." He still lost. I'm not saying I'm overly impressed by Machida, as it was a pretty boring fight, but he DID take Tito out of his element. Ortiz tried to shoot, Machida shrugged him off and wanted to keep it standing. After that, Tito didn't exactly press the action. He tried to pick his spots. Once he realized he could no longer shoot, he looked confused. But a loss is a loss. The only way to look at a loss in a good way is if you go into a fight you really had no business winning, banged for 3 rounds and came out with a real tough decision (IE- Griffin vs Tito) |
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Post by Kliquid on May 28, 2008 10:07:35 GMT -5
What a shame it is that Sean Sherk still has such an awful contract. This guy has busted his ass and proven himself to be one of the elite fighters at 170 or 155 and he still gets paid in pennies.
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Post by Codesters on May 28, 2008 15:02:37 GMT -5
What a shame it is that Sean Sherk still has such an awful contract. This guy has busted his ass and proven himself to be one of the elite fighters at 170 or 155 and he still gets paid in pennies. Same here. The fact that Silva got paid more than he did suprises me |
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Post by Kliquid on May 28, 2008 15:29:40 GMT -5
What a shame it is that Sean Sherk still has such an awful contract. This guy has busted his ass and proven himself to be one of the elite fighters at 170 or 155 and he still gets paid in pennies. Same here. The fact that Silva got paid more than he did suprises me That didn't really surprise me. Silva is a huge name in MMA. Sokoudjou getting paid more than Sherk surprised me. I'm sure Sokoudjou made $40k to fight, $40k to win; totaling $80k... But that means Sherk was probably getting $35k to fight, $35k to win; which (if he had won) would total $70k for beating a guy who some perceive to be the most talented MMA fighter in the world. Tito Ortiz is right. Some of these guys just get screwed in their contracts with UFC. |
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Post by Codesters on May 28, 2008 16:11:19 GMT -5
Same here. The fact that Silva got paid more than he did suprises me That didn't really surprise me. Silva is a huge name in MMA. Sokoudjou getting paid more than Sherk surprised me. I'm sure Sokoudjou made $40k to fight, $40k to win; totaling $80k... But that means Sherk was probably getting $35k to fight, $35k to win; which (if he had won) would total $70k for beating a guy who some perceive to be the most talented MMA fighter in the world. Tito Ortiz is right. Some of these guys just get screwed in their contracts with UFC. Understandably Thiagos a Big name in MMA. But, Sherks a much bigger name imo. Look at the guys record, he's had double the fights of Silva, and hes beaten Hermes Franka, Nick Diaz, and Kenny Florian. He even gave Mr Hughes a run for his money  |
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Post by Kliquid on May 28, 2008 17:10:46 GMT -5
Understandably Thiagos a Big name in MMA. But, Sherks a much bigger name imo. Whoops, I thought you were talking about Wandy.  I agree about Thiago. |
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Post by Sandy on May 28, 2008 22:13:52 GMT -5
HAHA.WOW.
That sucks. I don't like Sherk at all, but he is an amazing fighter and he doesn't desrve to be making as little as the guys who LOSS on the ultimate fighter show.
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