scoobypat
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Post by scoobypat on Jun 29, 2008 18:20:21 GMT -5
There have been alot of feuds and storylines that have had huge potential but for some reason or another the writing direction wasn't the smartest and the storyline was more of a blunder then a bang. In my mind no storyline is more prevolent in this then the WWF vs. WCW/ECW Invasion storyline. Here was a story years in the making, every fan had imagined it and talked about how to do it and eventually when it was done it was kind of half assed. This storyline should have been the biggest story in wrestling history, but it kind of just became another storyline with nothing to special about it. I've been thinking about it and I've come up with some ideas that I think would have really kicked it up a notch, I'm curious to as how you would have handled the storyline.
Firstly upon the clear division of WWF and ECW/WCW I would have made Smackdown a WCW/ECW show. The main problem with the storyline is it didn't really invoke those feelings of fans with different allagiances that had been so apparent during the Monday night wars. Neither side should have been a clear cut heel or face. WCW/ECW should have had Smackdown as an attempt to get them over so that fans would either choose WWF or WCW/ECW. I'm not saying this should have been a permanent situation but for the purpose of the storylines it would have been great if WWF wrestlers had to wrestle sometimes in a hostile environment and on a WCW/ECW show just as it was occuring to the WCW/ECW guys on RAW. It would have really added to the chemistry and unity feeling too.
Secondly, no mismatching of guys. I hate looking back and seeing iconic WWF wrestlers like Austin and Angle on the "Alliance" side it didn't fit that dream storyline so many fans wanted. Wrestlers heel or face should have set their alliegance to what made them what they were. This storyline should have been so big that it transcended heels and faces, it would have drawn no matter what, but to see life long enemies working together to keep their company alive would have fueled the intensity.
Thirdly, at some point ECW should have defected into it's own faction. It never sat well with me that a company that despised everything that WWF and WCW stood for would work with them. I would have liked to see ECW use the WCW alliance and then break off, it would have fit them. The fight between them should have culminated into a 3 team Survivor Series type match, not the 2 team one it became.
Lastly for the major points, a real effort should have been made to pick up some iconic free agents from WCW and ECW. There were guys who needed to be a part of this storyline and weren't in the company until later down the road. Hall, Nash, Goldberg, Flair all should have been on WCW's team. ECW was kind of the same, they had more iconic wrestlers in WWF at the time, but they weren't utilized correctly.
I guess those are jsut the major things I thought of, but there were plenty of little things in this story line that I would have liked to be fixed.
In the end I'd rather the teams look like this (considering this would be possible as all of the following guys would work for WWE later on, basically why there isn't Sting)
Team WWF:
The Rock
Steve Austin
Undertaker
Angle
Kane
Team WCW:
Nash
Hall
Flair
Goldberg
Booker T
Team ECW:
Sabu
Tommy Dreamer
Sandman
RVD
Raven
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Post by HugoOne on Jun 30, 2008 0:00:45 GMT -5
I'll work with what the WWE had to work with at the time. I'm not a big fan of including guys they didn't sign, despite if they did eventually. Not to say your idea is bad, it's just not my style.
First things first. Who was the first person to invader, Mike Awesome or Lance Storm? Either way, it probably should have been a bigger name, recognizable to people. Booker T at King of the Ring would have been perfect. Let's say Booker T runs in and attacks Austin AFTER he retains the title. If Booker interferes in the match and attacks Austin but Austin retains, it undermines Booker's effectiveness in the match.
Secondly, DDP should have destroyed the Undertaker at King of the Ring, and then beaten him. I'm completely fine with the WCW/ECW Alliance. I'd have left Stephanie out and kept it to Shane and Heyman, though. Also, just totally nix the idea of trying WCW matches on Raw (Booker vs. Bagwell) and just keep it to strictly invasions and attacks.
At InVasion...
Team WWF: Steve Austin, Kurt Angle, Undertaker, Kane, Chris Jericho
vs.
The Alliance: DDP, Booker T, Rob Van Dam, Rhyno, and I have no idea. Let's just go with Tazz.
I'd have Jericho turn and cost the WWF the match. And then have him be a main eventer, but not overshadow the entire team like Austin did to where it became the Alliance to Team Austin. And then keep it led by DDP and Booker T and Van Dam.
This way, when Rock comes back, they could have him feud with Jericho, which was the best thing they had going about the Invasion.
That's all I have for right now, and I'd probably change it the next day anyway.
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Post by markallenkellner on Jun 30, 2008 11:03:04 GMT -5
It's would've started with Eric Bischooff and the nWo (Hall, Hogan, Nash, buy out all those contracts), joining them would've been DDP and Scott Steiner and other formers WCW "talent". To save Vince and the WWf, in come Fair, Sting, Booker T, and Goldberg to join Austin and others.
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Post by Nitro on Jun 30, 2008 12:41:21 GMT -5
Yes the invasion didnt turn out as expected but I feel that later in the year those failures served a purpose and made good TV.
example would be nWo storylines with Hogan vs Rock, Hall vs Austin and Flair coming back as owner of RAW.
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Jun 30, 2008 19:40:46 GMT -5
All Vince had to do was bring in all the people he decided to bring in after the Invasion ended, beginning with Ric Flair.
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Post by allamericanboy on Jul 25, 2008 21:55:57 GMT -5
Right on all counts. I stopped watching wrestling for a long time after the invasion. The lack of big WCW names is inexcusable. It's like if Marvel comics bought DC comics and we never saw Superman or Batman, but just characters like the Blue Beetle or Impulse.
Another bad thing was how WWE midcarders were more often than not put over WCW and ECW's top guys. Here's my dream Invasion PPV with WCW and WWE characters only:
Hogan v Austin
Rock v Goldberg
Michaels and HHH v Nash and Hall
Flair v Mankind
Sting v Undertaker
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Kick Your Face
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Post by Kick Your Face on Jul 25, 2008 23:32:11 GMT -5
Mike Awesome would have been champion.
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Post by hbkjason on Jul 26, 2008 2:35:52 GMT -5
Its easy to look back on the Invasion as a failure now but at the time it was  ing awesome, With the guys the WW|E had to work with from ECW and WCW the thing was great. I have no complaints what so ever maybe the amount of titles but thats about it. |
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Post by allamericanboy on Jul 26, 2008 21:47:48 GMT -5
Its easy to look back on the Invasion as a failure now but at the time it was ing awesome, With the guys the WW|E had to work with from ECW and WCW the thing was great. I have no complaints what so ever maybe the amount of titles but thats about it. Even as a younger man I thought the Invasion sucked. I would not have made the 2 most glaring mistakes: 1. Putting WWE talent so strongly over WCW wrestlers, it would have made them look weak for the final Invasion showdown. 2. Not bringing in the big guns. Having none of the following is inexcusable: Hollywood Hogan, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Ric Flair, Sting, Goldberg, Scott Steiner. |
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Post by allamericanboy on Jul 26, 2008 21:48:22 GMT -5
Its easy to look back on the Invasion as a failure now but at the time it was ing awesome, With the guys the WW|E had to work with from ECW and WCW the thing was great. I have no complaints what so ever maybe the amount of titles but thats about it. Even as a younger man I thought the Invasion sucked. I would not have made the 2 most glaring mistakes: 1. Putting WWE talent so strongly over WCW wrestlers, it would have made them look weak for the final Invasion showdown. 2. Not bringing in the big guns. Having none of the following is inexcusable: Hollywood Hogan, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Ric Flair, Sting, Goldberg, Scott Steiner. |
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Post by hbkjason on Jul 27, 2008 2:48:07 GMT -5
Its easy to look back on the Invasion as a failure now but at the time it was ing awesome, With the guys the WW|E had to work with from ECW and WCW the thing was great. I have no complaints what so ever maybe the amount of titles but thats about it. Even as a younger man I thought the Invasion sucked. I would not have made the 2 most glaring mistakes: 1. Putting WWE talent so strongly over WCW wrestlers, it would have made them look weak for the final Invasion showdown. 2. Not bringing in the big guns. Having none of the following is inexcusable: Hollywood Hogan, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Ric Flair, Sting, Goldberg, Scott Steiner. I somewhat agree with your first statement however for me it was not the final showdown at Survivor Series it was Summerslam. I don't know what it was but the WWE stars looked so much stronger than the Alliance at that PPV compared to the Invasion PPV it self where it was almost like the WWE were really against the odds. I have to disagree with your second comment as no doubt it would have made the angle even better t have these stars but the amount of money it would have cost the WWE to buy these guys out of there Turner contracts, Also who is to say if the WWE did put up the money they would want to take part. WHy would they turn down the chance to be at home with there families and get paid a hell of a lot of money to do so. |
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Post by gtm on Jul 28, 2008 12:58:03 GMT -5
vince should have just thrown more cash at it.it could have gone on for alot longer aswell.Shud of just hired more guys who are people you'd always associate with WCW.Ya no Hogan,goldberg,nash,etc.The prize would have been Sting.Can you imagine Sting vs the Rock. my dream would have been for the Invasion angle to have gone longer and the alliance starting to lose the battle to the WWF.At some point the lights gong out and promos like the Sting Hogan Starcade match run with Sting returning to full Crow Character. It would have been imense.i would seriousy wet myself if Sting came down from the rafters and started pointing his bat at WWF guys. so im babblin but i just feel the Invasion angle was the biggest missed oportunity of all time and can never be duplicated, such a perfect scenario the Monday night war on the front line battling it out.Not what will Ausitn do?  ?? |
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Post by allamericanboy on Jul 28, 2008 22:57:18 GMT -5
Even as a younger man I thought the Invasion sucked. I would not have made the 2 most glaring mistakes: 1. Putting WWE talent so strongly over WCW wrestlers, it would have made them look weak for the final Invasion showdown. 2. Not bringing in the big guns. Having none of the following is inexcusable: Hollywood Hogan, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Ric Flair, Sting, Goldberg, Scott Steiner. I somewhat agree with your first statement however for me it was not the final showdown at Survivor Series it was Summerslam. I don't know what it was but the WWE stars looked so much stronger than the Alliance at that PPV compared to the Invasion PPV it self where it was almost like the WWE were really against the odds. I have to disagree with your second comment as no doubt it would have made the angle even better t have these stars but the amount of money it would have cost the WWE to buy these guys out of there Turner contracts, Also who is to say if the WWE did put up the money they would want to take part. WHy would they turn down the chance to be at home with there families and get paid a hell of a lot of money to do so. I'm not saying it was necessary to involve them in the Invasion beginning to end, but I doubt any would've turned down a fat paycheck for maybe a month to come on TV and build it up and fight at that PPV. Vince really dropped the ball on something that could've been the storyline of the ages. Like I said in a previous thread, the Invasion was like if Marvel Comics bought DC comics, and we never saw Superman or Batman, but just DC heroes like Booster Gold and Ambush Bug. |
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Post by carly1988 on Jul 29, 2008 9:05:43 GMT -5
To make it 5 vs 5 vs 5 it should look like this
Team WWF (Led by Vince McMahon)
1)Steve Austin
2)The Rock
3)The Undertaker
4)Kurt Angle
5)Triple H
Team WCW (led by Eric Bischoff)
1)Ric Flair
2)Sting
3)Lex Luger
4)Goldberg
5)Hollywood Hogan
Team ECW (led by Paul Heyman)
1)Shane Douglas
2)Sandman
3)Taz
4)Rob Van Dam
5)Tommy Dreamer
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Jul 29, 2008 9:36:05 GMT -5
I think the biggest problem with how the Invasion was booked is that WCW (or "The Alliance") was not booked to look strong.
When WCW closed, there was a public perception that they were second-rate. So if they were ever going to do business in a WWF vs. WCW angle, the first thing they needed to do was make the fans believe there was a shot in hell that WCW might come out as the winners. Without that, no matter which WCW wrestlers they signed, it would have failed anyway.
That's where it gets complicated, though. In order to build WCW up as a true competitor to the WWF, they probably would have had to give WCW several months worth of non-stop advantage. They would have needed to win 90 percent of the matches (especially the marquee ones), and never be made to look foolish in skits ("Kurt Angle is the Olympic Dairy Man!!") without getting plenty of revenge.
But in building WCW, the risk was that it would hurt the reputations of the established WWF guys, who probably wouldn't be thrilled at the idea of putting over Chuck Palumbo, Sean O'Haire, DDP, etc. month after month before finally getting revenge.
The Invasion angle was definitely botched, but it also wasn't as easy to book as some people think.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2008 1:42:01 GMT -5
Its easy to say they should have done this and this, but they did the best they could have booking angle the likes of this one...plus they couldn't just bring in all the big names right away
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Post by Batista on Jul 30, 2008 6:22:26 GMT -5
I really wish Triple H was not injured at the time, it would have made Steph owning ECW alot more interesting.
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