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Post by chumped on Jul 7, 2008 16:03:56 GMT -5
I've never like Superman, since is unbeatable. He's too powerful....and i've always thought Superman is a better villan than hero. I just don't like the fact that he is virtually "perfect." Superheros are defined by their flaws and Superman has none just about. Batman has always been the more facisnating characters, because he's just a dude with a cape, mask, and like ropes. He wasn't sent here, he isn't alien. But either way, Superman vs. anyone, would be one-sided. So, there's no point to aruging over it. This is the appeal of Batman over Superman I believe for a lot of people, including myself. I like that Bruce is just a man. He can be hurt like any of us. Where Batman risks his life jumping in front of a bullet or falling off of a building, Superman can do it without consequence usually.
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on Jul 7, 2008 16:05:16 GMT -5
I am pretty sure that I would go with Batman just because Superman wouldn't do anything underhanded and I am sure that batman would in order to win. Plus I do believe that Batman is just more intelligent than Superman.
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Post by T R W on Jul 7, 2008 16:09:40 GMT -5
That line from Infinite Crisis (I think) was awesome and chilling. It was so cold, but so true really.
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Jul 7, 2008 16:14:54 GMT -5
Superman could easily beat Batman in a fight... That's why Batman always carries a sliver of kryptonite with him.
I'm refusing to vote though... I love both characters (they are two of my favorites).
It all depends on how things go down as to who would win.
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Post by T R W on Jul 7, 2008 16:17:00 GMT -5
The better question is Batman vs. Captain America! Oh snap!
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Post by brm on Jul 7, 2008 16:20:23 GMT -5
Kids WB had this battle in the late 90s, and let the fans vote. Let's just say Batman whipped up on Superman.
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Post by tommyglamm on Jul 7, 2008 16:32:46 GMT -5
Superman would win but Batman is a far better and more interesting character. The best part of Superman is Lex Luthor
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Post by chumped on Jul 7, 2008 16:33:42 GMT -5
The better question is Batman vs. Captain America! Oh snap! Now that's a fight I'd want to see.
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Post by tommyglamm on Jul 7, 2008 16:41:38 GMT -5
The better question is Batman vs. Captain America! Oh snap! Now that's a fight I'd want to see. Cap's dead, so Batman would win unfairly haha
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Post by ny08champs on Jul 7, 2008 16:54:35 GMT -5
Batman
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Post by Deano on Jul 7, 2008 17:06:58 GMT -5
Superman would definately win in a fair fight.
I LOVE Superman, he is the epitome of superhero.
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Post by Double J on Jul 7, 2008 17:22:08 GMT -5
All Batman has to do is set off a nuke and have the resulting nuclear winter block out the sun so Superman loses his strength. It's not rocket science for Christ sakes.....wait a minute.......
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Post by PdW2kX on Jul 7, 2008 17:28:50 GMT -5
Superman has plenty of flaws. With good writers, Superman is one of the most interesting comic characters in current comicdom. Good writers know that Superman will never get pass the "Invulnerable Boyscout" stigma, this supposed infallible dogooder that does everything right, saves the day, beats the baddy, and has the people praise his name all while holding the American flag and telling children to be nice to their parents. Good Superman stories feature him reacting to people that actually can kill him and showing how much of a multi-tiered character Superman is. Even better stories focus on Superman dealing with moral or abstract issues: why he does the things he does, instead of just doing them. Red Son, Kingdom Come, etc. I loved the line in Red Son where Soviet Superman remarks "They called me a soldier, but that just wasn't true. A soldier always follows orders, a soldier knows and hates the enemy, a soldier only fights and dies for his own people. I just fought for what was right." The point of Red Son was that Supes was at his most God-like and working for the commies and he still possessed this indefatigable moral compass. It can be argued that the only reason Superman seized power in Communist Russia at all was because things were far worse for the ordinary comrade during the era when he did seize power, as compared to the US where things were much better. Although Supes goes down a slippery slope once having attained that power, in the end he gets back on track and, hell, Red Son ended with a perfect paradise of human existence anyway. All that said, Patrick Bateman wrapped up everything I could and would have said better than I probably could or would have said it. Kudos to you, sir. Now, regarding DKR, I will add that Dark Knight Strikes Again lends even more credence to Batman beating Supes because Superman let him. For those that didn't read it, Superman became a government lackey because Brainiac and Lex Luthor teamed up and built a gigantic space laser that they used to blast apart the Fortress of Solitude and steal the bottle city of Kandor. Brainiac reduced Kandor to his personal plaything and, at one point during DKSA, deliberately showed himself killing children and women that were actually Kandorian relatives of Supes, right in front of Superman, in order to get Superman to do whatever Brainiac and Lex Luthor wanted him to do.Not only can it be argued that Superman held back because he never wanted to fight Batman in the first place and that the giant bomb which Batman had no control over severely drained Supes of his power, it can also be argued that Superman let Batman defeat him because he was so distraught over Kandor and the way his life had turned out that he wanted to die. Just further proof that, no matter if it's in-continuity or Elseworlds, Batman has never undeniably beaten Superman without mitigating circumstances that were not caused and not affected by Batman, that Batman had no control over. All Batman has to do is set off a nuke and have the resulting nuclear winter block out the sun so Superman loses his strength. It's not rocket science for Christ sakes.....wait a minute....... That happened in DKR. Supes was able to get his powers back by draining plants of their solar energy. Also, no sun does not = instant power failure. Superman's power is more like a battery. He would have enough power following a sudden nuclear winter to fly up over the fallout for a quick sundip. The only reason he didn't do this in DKR was because he was at ground-zero of the bomb since he deflected it himself and it severely drained his power, and the aforementioned lackey/puppet thing that weighed heavy on his mind.
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Post by K5 on Jul 7, 2008 17:45:31 GMT -5
#1 and #2 apply to you, sir. you know, you're right but i think there is more to it. it's not just my bias - much of superman's character doesn't exactly make sense, there are paradox's and flaws to his existance such as the fact that he can 'read through entire libraries in seconds' yet has any real problems to face in the physical world...it doesn't add up. this is obvious, but the point i'm making out of it is he is a fictional character in a comic book, and so is batman. batman, in my opinion, is a much more definitive character. many of the cast of villains batman faces are imagery for different demons people must face; scarecrow with fear, bane with inferiority, poison ivy with seduction etc. what i'm saying is, batman is a more complete character in comics, someone who has much more 'heroic' and 'real' qualities to him than superman. this, in comic books, matters much more than any physical limitations between characters - such as the punisher facing any mutant. the reason i brought up how superman isn't really a logical character is because comic books are not meant to be based on logic, and obviously batman vs. superman would be an illogical fight. but if it was in a comic, there would be more to it than superman simply kicking batman's ass because of physical strength. it would be a battle of both of them to the last degree of their character in which who ever is 'better' would win...and in my opinion, it's batman. that's all i'm saying. and as for tdk, more of a reaction to what your article had to say on it's portrayal to superman: it was perfect. the book exagerated everyone's traits - superman's dull character of absolute perfection, and how he obeys the human's side for the original idea of 'good'..and even better, how he's still in perfect shape. batman, aging, but still just as determined and stubborn as ever, and at his old age has taken in accounts of his limitations. but, yes, i'll obviously not argue that a superpowered alien who's only weakness is lack of sunlight or kryptonite would have any competition against a mortal who is fairly intelligent and has technology.
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Post by PdW2kX on Jul 7, 2008 18:02:39 GMT -5
You're not reading the right Superman stories if you think Batman is more heroic and definitive.
Infinite Crisis was brought up about Batman owning Supes verbally, but remember that this featured Superman risking his life to stop Superboy-Prime and telling him "It's not about what symbols you wear on your chest or what powers you have. It's about what you do. It's about action."
That or something similar, I haven't read the TPB in a while.
That also said, check out my own argument for why Supes did what he did in DKR. He did not fight Batman because of his over-exaggerated character of "fighting for the greater good".
DKSA confirms this when Bats snaps Supes out of his mental funk and Supes joins the "good fight".
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Post by Deadshot on Jul 7, 2008 18:34:24 GMT -5
I hate Superman... ...with a passion I love Batman
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Jul 7, 2008 18:42:49 GMT -5
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Post by twinn on Jul 7, 2008 18:48:44 GMT -5
lmao.... I hate Superman and I LOVE Batman, but come on.....There is no way in hell Batman is gonna beat Superman.....
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Post by zombiesx on Jul 7, 2008 18:51:04 GMT -5
Batman.
But seriously spiderman ftw!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2008 18:51:11 GMT -5
Well Superman would easily beat him since he actually has super powers. If Batman invented some sort of arsenal that contained kryptonite then I guess he'd have a chance.
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