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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Jul 16, 2008 16:31:21 GMT -5
It's like in wrestling, no matter how many times you've been suspended, arrested, abuse drugs, if you can still draw, anyone will hire you. Yeah, but you do what Rampage did and I'm sure people will think twice about hiring him. He won't be able to draw anything now. He deserves to be fired. Immediately. Listen. When some one is depressed, you don't take their problem and make it one hundred times bigger, weighing them down even more, mentally. What I'm saying is if Quinton is sick right now, he needs to be taken care of. Don't worry about his job. Get him the help he needs. Once he's better, then he can get into training and everything else can be worked out. |
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Jul 16, 2008 17:39:52 GMT -5
^ No, you listen.
Depresssed or not, he should've used enough sense not to get behind the wheel of his truck and literally go on a "rampage".
He should've taken a minute or two to think things over before he got into his truck and he should've done the right thing and pull over and stop after he hit the first car, but no. He clearly wasn't thinking because he continued and it made things THAT much worse for him.
One little accident wouldn't nearly have been as bad as things turned out in the end. If he would've just pulled over after the first crash, things wouldn't look so bad for him, but unfortunately that isn't the case.
He continued his path of destruction, getting into multiple crashes, driving up on the sidewalk and narrowly missing several pedestrians, blasting through numerous red lights until his tire blew and couldn't continue any further and was eventually arrested at gun-point as you can clearly see from the pics that were posted.
Sure, if he needs it, get Rampage the help that he needs and then fire his ass.
I'm sorry, but I can't feel sympathy for him. I'm just glad nobody was seriously injured or killed during his path of destruction. It could've been much worse.
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Post by ajstyles888 on Jul 16, 2008 17:48:48 GMT -5
I agree with Mr. Old School on this one.
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Post by DWright on Jul 16, 2008 17:50:46 GMT -5
It's like in wrestling, no matter how many times you've been suspended, arrested, abuse drugs, if you can still draw, anyone will hire you. Yeah, but you do what Rampage did and I'm sure people will think twice about hiring him. He won't be able to draw anything now. He deserves to be fired. Immediately. If you don't think Gary Shaw would offer him a huge contract the day he's fired, you're crazy. He won't be able to draw anything? People LOVE controversy. In fact, he may draw MORE attention to himself as a fighter after this. (see: Josh Hamilton, Mike Tyson, Dennis Rodman, etc, etc, etc) People love to see the troubled at their worst, and sports casters love to find that overcoming the odds story. |
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Jul 16, 2008 18:15:46 GMT -5
^ Oh, I'm not denying Gary Shaw wouldn't offer him a huge contract. I'm sure he would seeing as his main star (Kimbo Slice) isn't all he's cracked up to be. They make him sound like he's the greatest fighter and the toughest guy around. Please...He was nearly beaten by James Thompson.
Kimbo Slice is all-hype and nothing more. The guy isn't a real MMA fighter and I can't wait to see him lose. It almost happened in his fight with Thompson, but Slice squeaked by there.
But anyway, this isn't about Kimbo, it's about Rampage Jackson. I think Rampage will be very lucky to get out of this without going to jail. He should be in jail right now, but the police said he was "medically unfit" to be booked.
So, I guess the story of Dana White flying in to bail Rampage out was a bunch of bull, seeing as Rampage wasn't even booked in the first place.
I don't care if another rival promotion scoops Rampage up. I heard they aren't doing very well financially anyway, so best of luck to them.
I did have respect for Rampage Jackson...But that was before he went on a rampage.
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Jul 16, 2008 19:08:22 GMT -5
From what I have heard. He started taking new medications 2 days before this happened and it was messing him up alot. Making his slur words and act very odd and kinda out of it.
Now I am not saying this is an excuse. Because people should be responsible for their own actions. But different peoples bodys respond differently to different things. When a doctor prescibes something to you and you take it as prescribed then it isn't all your fault.
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Post by Overnight Sensation on Jul 16, 2008 20:43:03 GMT -5
Rampage saw Forrest Griffin, Shogun and Vanderlei all driving in the same car and he **** himself and went crazy Least he wouldnt cry if he lost to someone like say......Keith Jardine?  no him just being the dumb  would talk all this mess...deliver nothing and not live up to his promises...him or his one demensional trainer but back to the subject at hand...it doesnt matter what he was on..Rampage Jackson is still guility of these crimes Chris benoit was coked up on all that shit...but that doesnt mean he isnt gulity of Murder |
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Post by PdW2kX on Jul 16, 2008 20:44:38 GMT -5
Man, I work a couple of double shifts and then I come on to find out that one of my favorite fighters ever just went insane and got himself arrested OJ-style.
I'm still having trouble processing this. I'm going to reserve any and all judgement until I'm sure that all the facts have absolutely been told.
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Post by Graze on Jul 16, 2008 21:53:10 GMT -5
Yeah, but you do what Rampage did and I'm sure people will think twice about hiring him. He won't be able to draw anything now. He deserves to be fired. Immediately. If you don't think Gary Shaw would offer him a huge contract the day he's fired, you're crazy. He won't be able to draw anything? People LOVE controversy. In fact, he may draw MORE attention to himself as a fighter after this. (see: Josh Hamilton, Mike Tyson, Dennis Rodman, etc, etc, etc) People love to see the troubled at their worst, and sports casters love to find that overcoming the odds story. Exactly. If Mike Tyson was a nobody, people wouldn't care. Because of what Tyson has done, he'll draw no matter what. If UFC fires him, the second he's no longer under UFC contract, people will be killing each other to get at him. For all the wrestling fans, look at Jeff Hardy. How many times has he's been suspended/fired for drug use? what happens everytime he comes back? gets over again in 10 secs. Sadly, no matter bad you up, if you can draw, generate interest, make whatever company money, you'll be hired no matter what. |
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Post by 6 seasons and a movie on Jul 16, 2008 22:53:28 GMT -5
I wouldn't fire him yet, give him sometime off and let him get everything taken care of and when it is all done and he is no longer in touble or he gets in more trouble deal with it then. Jessie wasn't fired from the company he was taken out of a fight that would have gotten him a shot at entering the company and he more then likely will be given a shot to come back if he proves he deserves it. The can't let Rampage go as with all the competition they have now the minute he is realsed he will be called by Elite-XC and Afflection offering him big money to fight on their next card and would never come back to the UFC unless those two both go under.
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Jul 17, 2008 1:20:00 GMT -5
It's all well and good to feel sympathy for someone who is depressed -- or to understand that he was taking a new medication -- but somehow, I think that would be little comfort if, say, my son were standing on the sidewalk when Rampage drove onto it.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Jul 17, 2008 9:23:56 GMT -5
If you don't think Gary Shaw would offer him a huge contract the day he's fired, you're crazy. He won't be able to draw anything? People LOVE controversy. In fact, he may draw MORE attention to himself as a fighter after this. (see: Josh Hamilton, Mike Tyson, Dennis Rodman, etc, etc, etc) People love to see the troubled at their worst, and sports casters love to find that overcoming the odds story. Exactly. If Mike Tyson was a nobody, people wouldn't care. Because of what Tyson has done, he'll draw no matter what. If UFC fires him, the second he's no longer under UFC contract, people will be killing each other to get at him. For all the wrestling fans, look at Jeff Hardy. How many times has he's been suspended/fired for drug use? what happens everytime he comes back? gets over again in 10 secs. Sadly, no matter bad you up, if you can draw, generate interest, make whatever company money, you'll be hired no matter what. These are good points. However, where is Mike Tyson right now? What has he done for boxing in the last 5 years? They don't really want him. He got himself into a serious situation when he was hitting his prime and it killed his carreer. I'm not saying Jackson will never be the same once this whole situation is past, but what's done is done and this could end on the same note. And as far as depression goes, it's like this: The medicine's prescribed by doctors for depression come with fair warning. You're not supposed to sign contracts or make heavy decisions when you first go on them. If, within the first few weeks things like speech issues or feeling "out of it" occur, you get yourself back to the doctor by taxi or friend. You do NOT drive in that state, or something like this sad scene is likely to happen. You're really supposed to have close friends around a lot to monitor you. If anything, the minute Jackson started acting loopy, they should've stepped in and did something. Bottom line is, he's been arrested at gun point. Even if half the media coverage is bogus, he's in very very deep. I hope he gets the help he needs soon, but the damage is done people. No denying that. |
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Jul 17, 2008 9:25:32 GMT -5
It's all well and good to feel sympathy for someone who is depressed -- or to understand that he was taking a new medication -- but somehow, I think that would be little comfort if, say, my son were standing on the sidewalk when Rampage drove onto it. Woah. How the hell did I miss this post?!?!!? That last line speaks volumes my friend. |
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Jul 18, 2008 4:49:36 GMT -5
It's all well and good to feel sympathy for someone who is depressed -- or to understand that he was taking a new medication -- but somehow, I think that would be little comfort if, say, my son were standing on the sidewalk when Rampage drove onto it. I actually have a 2 and a half year old son. Born November 18th 2005. And if crapreally went down and I KNEW the facts I would actually blame and sue the doctors 100%. I would be pissed at Rampage and probably end up killing him. But in the end it is the doctors fault. Luckily Jackson killed nobody. So don't worry to much about that and worry about what doctors are STILL prescribing him that could end up killing OUR children no matter if it is Rampage or Joe Schmoe that gets over prescribed and doesn't know it that drives down the road. It is about damn time the "Doctors" start taking some responsibility as well. And start paying some time. (side note:) my mother died of a doctor prescribing drugs that she was allergic to and nobody has been held accountable for it. Just because you have a PHD (my wife and her sister are ones in Physcology from UW) doesn't mean you know how everyones body's react to shit. Because my body reacts different from the person next door and we both react different from the person across the street. Rampage was over prescribed. And I will stick by my brother no matter what comes out. Just like I would any of you if something like this happened. So please have the same respect. |
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Post by NYdream™ on Jul 18, 2008 6:44:40 GMT -5
If the medications and depression are responsable then i feel sympathy for him. Others have said when you are depressed or on medications and are out of it you do no do what he did. Let me ask you this. If you are out of it how do you know what to and what not to do?  ? Honestly? His career. I dont think that it is over. I think he can come back and get his career back together. He might not be able to become UFC champ again but i think he will fight again. |
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Jul 18, 2008 8:18:23 GMT -5
If the medications and depression are responsable then i feel sympathy for him. Others have said when you are depressed or on medications and are out of it you do no do what he did. Let me ask you this. If you are out of it how do you know what to and what not to do? ? Honestly? That's the point I made in my post on medications. From the experiences I've seen with this with my friends and family, when you go on meds for depression you're supposed to have people around you at first to monitor behavior. That way if the meds cause you to start acting off, there's someone to report it. Sounds like that actually happened the other night when he was picked up by the police and detained because his friends noticed that something was off and called them in. And as for over medicating, that's a given. It happens and needs to be stopped. But I can't use a blanket statement and say all doctors are bad and don't know what they're doing. Some yes, but not all. I have yet to hear any confirmation that Jackson did all of this because of too much medication. Only that it may have been a reaction to what they put him on. Hopefully that's the case, and someone will have to answer for mistakes made. And PB I'm really not trying to start anything here, so read this the right way. I had a very close friend pass due to an extreme allergic reaction to medication prescribed for various issues. When asked, my friend knew of no allergies she had, but they ran some tests anyways and everything came back good. Turns out a rare form of this allergy hit her system with the medication and she died. Now if her death would've come from the doctor neglecting to ask the question, then yes, action would've needed to be taken against him for not doing his job. And while I was very very upset and angry with the situation for some time, I do understand that there was very little that could've been done and I do not think any one can be held accoutable in this example. Like I mentioned before, please don't stereotype all doctors into that category. |
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Jul 18, 2008 10:33:08 GMT -5
It's all well and good to feel sympathy for someone who is depressed -- or to understand that he was taking a new medication -- but somehow, I think that would be little comfort if, say, my son were standing on the sidewalk when Rampage drove onto it. I actually have a 2 and a half year old son. Born November 18th 2005. And if **** really went down and I KNEW the facts I would actually blame and sue the doctors 100%. I would be pissed at Rampage and probably end up killi ng him. But in the end it is the doctors fault. Luckily Jackson killed nobody. So don't worry to much about that and worry about what doctors are STILL prescribing him that could end up killing OUR children no matter if it is Rampage or Joe Schmoe that gets over prescribed and doesn't know it that drives down the road. It is about damn time the "Doctors" start taking some responsibility as well. And start paying some time. (side note:) my mother died of a doctor prescribing drugs that she was allergic to and nobody has been held accountable for it. Just because you have a PHD (my wife and her sister are ones in Physcology from UW) doesn't mean you know how everyones body's react to ****. Because my body reacts different from the person next door and we both react different from the person across the street. Rampage was over prescribed. And I will stick by my brother no matter what comes out. Just like I would any of you if something like this happened. So please have the same respect. I was unaware that I didn't show respect. And I too have a son (3 yrs.), which is precisely why I brought it up. Whenever I see situations like this where civilians are put in danger, I always think of my son. And it's not a stretch or an exaggeration -- there absolutely could have been a kid on that sidewalk. It was 1:30 in the afternoon on a summer day. |
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Post by Stinger TNA on Jul 18, 2008 11:46:10 GMT -5
But............ He's a in UFC fighter.... |
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Post by NYdream™ on Jul 18, 2008 12:15:27 GMT -5
But............ He's a in UFC fighter.... and your point is? |
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Post by ajstyles888 on Jul 18, 2008 19:26:43 GMT -5
But............ He's a in UFC fighter.... ok ...... - Iron Heart |
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