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Post by ToastMaster General on Jul 22, 2008 0:30:59 GMT -5
just saw it, dark knight just f*cked iron man, i thought iron was the sh*t, this was just amazing. by far one of the greatest movies ever These are my EXACT sentiments. TDK for Best Picture!
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Post by modano09 on Jul 22, 2008 0:31:36 GMT -5
I watched it for the second time, I refused a hand job because I didn't want to be distracted from this movie's brilliance. I'm pretty sure the guy next to me today was getting a handjob. Either way, his girlfriend was half laying on him, and they were baby-talking through the whole movie when not kissing. I hate the two of them.
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Post by jomoishollywood on Jul 22, 2008 0:32:23 GMT -5
Its because of the series, obviously. When you mean Heath was The Joker it means in the Nolan series, because obviously people have played him before.
Maybe if a new director was put in (unlikely) they would have a new Joker (just a cameo maybe). But not under Christopher Nolan.
Plus The Joker has multiple pasts. See the example of him telling two different ways he got the scars on his face.
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Post by chumped on Jul 22, 2008 0:32:41 GMT -5
I agree. And it's not because Ledger died, it's not because Ledger did so well, it's because recasting a major character SUCKS, no matter if the previous actor is dead or alive. HEATH LEDGER played this Joker, and ONLY Heath Ledger could play it again and have it be right. By right I mean his distinct mannerisms, his distinct voice, and his distinct style that he played him with. Same goes for Eckhart as Dent, same goes as Bale as Bruce Wayne. Recasts suck whether we are talking about Heath/Joker or not. It just wouldn't be the same. From a creative standpoint. But with how good this movie is, they could put anyone in the Joker make-up and make a horrible 3rd movie and still suck people in who loved this one. I really hope they don't go that way, but it's Hollywood, and there's money to be made on a 3rd one. Although re-casting Joker might cause a backlash, so they may avoid that all together. It's just really sad, from a fan standpoint, I want to see more Joker. You're definitely right. Nolan could easily put out a crappy third film and fans would rush to see it, just for the Batman name alone. I just hope, and believe, that Nolan has more integrity than that and wouldn't ruin his excellent series just for a quick buck.
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Post by biggles on Jul 22, 2008 0:34:06 GMT -5
This is my standpoint on The Joker. Ledger was great, but at the beginning. Nobody thought he would be great. "LEDGER AS JOKER?!"
Honestly, I think the production had a lot to do with Ledger's performance, and it can be done again. It won't be the same, but damnit. I dont know, Nolan and co hasnt dissapointed me yet. So, I hope they do the third. I just don't want to tarnish the greatness of TDK.
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Post by chumped on Jul 22, 2008 0:35:00 GMT -5
Its because of the series, obviously. When you mean Heath was The Joker it means in the Nolan series, because obviously people have played him before. Maybe if a new director was put in (unlikely) they would have a new Joker (just a cameo maybe). But not under Christopher Nolan. Plus The Joker has multiple pasts. See the example of him telling two different ways he got the scars on his face. That's what I meant in my post. At this point, nobody should be recast, whether it be Joker, Dent, Batman, Alfred, or even the goddamn mayor. The actors have distinctively made each role their role in Nolan's series, and to recast any of them would ruin it, in my opinion.
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Post by modano09 on Jul 22, 2008 0:35:03 GMT -5
Its because of the series, obviously. When you mean Heath was The Joker it means in the Nolan series, because obviously people have played him before. Maybe if a new director was put in (unlikely) they would have a new Joker (just a cameo maybe). But not under Christopher Nolan. Plus The Joker has multiple pasts. See the example of him telling two different ways he got the scars on his face. What's Nolan's deal anyway? Bale's signed for 3, but Nolan isn't sure about a 3rd one yet? Might just be too soon for him to think about it, it had to be draining to make this movie and then deal with the loss of Ledger. Hopefully, if there's a 3rd, he does it, but if not, who knows? With how they ended Dark Knight, they almost need a villan for the 3rd that's so evil that even the public that's now against Batman would demand he save them. Joker was that villan. Who can top that?
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Post by jomoishollywood on Jul 22, 2008 0:35:27 GMT -5
I dont honestly think a third film is needed because there is no way to top The Dark Knight, although I definately dont think they need to, alot of people will be expecting it, therefore it being a dissapointment in the long run.
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Post by jomoishollywood on Jul 22, 2008 0:36:42 GMT -5
Its because of the series, obviously. When you mean Heath was The Joker it means in the Nolan series, because obviously people have played him before. Maybe if a new director was put in (unlikely) they would have a new Joker (just a cameo maybe). But not under Christopher Nolan. Plus The Joker has multiple pasts. See the example of him telling two different ways he got the scars on his face. What's Nolan's deal anyway? Bale's signed for 3, but Nolan isn't sure about a 3rd one yet? Might just be too soon for him to think about it, it had to be draining to make this movie and then deal with the loss of Ledger. Hopefully, if there's a 3rd, he does it, but if not, who knows? With how they ended Dark Knight, they almost need a villan for the 3rd that's so evil that even the public that's now against Batman would demand he save them. Joker was that villan. Who can top that? The possibilty of a VERY edgy Riddler hasnt been tossed out the window, we will see. Maybe The Riddler could target certain groups of people instead of The Joker only targeting certain people. That might make the public hate The Riddler more.
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Post by biggles on Jul 22, 2008 0:38:25 GMT -5
I dont honestly think a third film isnt needed because there is no way to top The Dark Knight, although I definately dont think they need to, alot of people will be expecting it, therefore it being a dissapointment in the long run. Double negative, what were you trying to say? EDIT! You edited I don't think Nolan is like that, the dude who was talking about the multiple pasts. I say in the 3rd, they leave Joker alone, and in the 4th they'll bring him back once they find a guy that can do as good of a job.
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Post by jomoishollywood on Jul 22, 2008 0:39:25 GMT -5
I dont honestly think a third film isnt needed because there is no way to top The Dark Knight, although I definately dont think they need to, alot of people will be expecting it, therefore it being a dissapointment in the long run. Double negative, what were you trying to say? I miss-read my own post after posting it. Instead of isnt its supposed to be is.
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Post by modano09 on Jul 22, 2008 0:39:28 GMT -5
This is my standpoint on The Joker. Ledger was great, but at the beginning. Nobody thought he would be great. "LEDGER AS JOKER?!" Honestly, I think the production had a lot to do with Ledger's performance, and it can be done again. It won't be the same, but damnit. I dont know, Nolan and co hasnt dissapointed me yet. So, I hope they do the third. I just don't want to tarnish the greatness of TDK. Agreed. As great as Heath's performance was, you can't say nobody could do it again, because we don't know. We didn't think he'd be that good, so we can't say for sure that nobody else could come along and do as well or better. But... With what happened to him, and with what he did with the role, should we really want to see someone else take over? I'm not sure. As much as I want to see more of Joker, it's hard to re-cast a part that big, and with his amazing performance and death, it might be best to just leave it be.
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Post by biggles on Jul 22, 2008 0:42:35 GMT -5
This is my standpoint on The Joker. Ledger was great, but at the beginning. Nobody thought he would be great. "LEDGER AS JOKER?!" Honestly, I think the production had a lot to do with Ledger's performance, and it can be done again. It won't be the same, but damnit. I dont know, Nolan and co hasnt dissapointed me yet. So, I hope they do the third. I just don't want to tarnish the greatness of TDK. With what happened to him, and with what he did with the role, should we really want to see someone else take over? I'm not sure. As much as I want to see more of Joker, it's hard to re-cast a part that big, and with his amazing performance and death, it might be best to just leave it be. You nailed it, out of respect for Ledgers BRILLIANT performance, maybe it is best to leave it that way.
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Post by Mr. McCluer on Jul 22, 2008 0:43:59 GMT -5
hmm for new villain i could go with freeze, but riddler would also be nice or maybe even bring in ivy?
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Post by modano09 on Jul 22, 2008 0:49:33 GMT -5
hmm for new villain i could go with freeze, but riddler would also be nice or maybe even bring in ivy? It's hard to do them in Nolan's more realistic settling. Joker had to be brough down from an over-the-top clown to more of a psycho who happens to wear make up over his scarred face. If Mr. Freeze can't freeze people, what can he do? How can you really make that realistic? Riddler's the next best choice for a realistic villan, but they'd have to re-write his character to make him more of a threat. With how big a part of the mob plays in this movies, Penguin could work as a mob leader, but then he's really more just another mob guy, like we've seen for two movies now. I'd have to say a re-worked Riddler.
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Post by Mr. McCluer on Jul 22, 2008 0:53:02 GMT -5
hmm for new villain i could go with freeze, but riddler would also be nice or maybe even bring in ivy? It's hard to do them in Nolan's more realistic settling. Joker had to be brough down from an over-the-top clown to more of a psycho who happens to wear make up over his scarred face. If Mr. Freeze can't freeze people, what can he do? How can you really make that realistic? Riddler's the next best choice for a realistic villan, but they'd have to re-write his character to make him more of a threat. With how big a part of the mob plays in this movies, Penguin could work as a mob leader, but then he's really more just another mob guy, like we've seen for two movies now. I'd have to say a re-worked Riddler. yeah in that sense i say riddler too he could be insane
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Post by pineappleexpress on Jul 22, 2008 1:04:57 GMT -5
If they have to, and I mean really have to recast the Joker for whatever reason, I'd like to see Daniel Day-Lewis play the role.
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Post by jomoishollywood on Jul 22, 2008 1:09:33 GMT -5
If they have to, and I mean really have to recast the Joker for whatever reason, I'd like to see Daniel Day-Lewis play the role. I think I said that, somewhere in the other thread.
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Post by pineappleexpress on Jul 22, 2008 1:11:40 GMT -5
You probably did. I've been saying it since March when there was a thread with a few people freaking out, worried that Heath hadn't finished shooting or he's needed for a third Nolan directed Batman.
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Post by Barrett on Jul 22, 2008 1:13:54 GMT -5
I went and saw it for the second time yesterday and I was still as engrossed as the first time. This time the theater was packed and people were gasping at various parts. I know when the Joker put then "grenade" in the banker's mouth people nearly freaked out, but I can't remember what the other instances were.
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